The Trump Presidency – 2016

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's one thing to refuse to publically contradict the President, but it's much different when you go on TV to praise the President and claim he reads all the scientific literature and is uniquely well informed.

Yeah. There is a reason Dr. Fauci was hated by MAGA people and sidelined by Trump while Dr. Birx wasn't. She abdicated her responsibility.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's one thing to refuse to publically contradict the President, but it's much different when you go on TV to praise the President and claim he reads all the scientific literature and is uniquely well informed.

The incident I found was late March. I'm willing to give her a break since it was so early and she (and I'm sure Fauci) were trying to find their legs and Trump did probably sit and listen to them (then).

If there were other incidents later (let's say mid-Summer), I'd be more critical. Don't know though, I don't remember any incidents later but do remember where she had "visible/facial" disagreements.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I did not see the interview and I probably won't rush to watch the interview. I have seen the piece where she said that someone was present graphs that she did not create. Did she take any responsibility for the words that came out of her mouth during the briefings and for any of the policies that came from groups that she led?

Here's the CBS transcript.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...nuary-24-2021/

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Here's the CBS transcript.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...nuary-24-2021/

So in an effort to hear both sides, I read the whole interview transcript.

The short answer is no she did not take any responsibility for any of the things I mentioned.

[JPhillips]

WTF?

Kellyanne Conway tweeted a photo of her 16-year-old daughter topless.

[BYU 14]

Finally someone says hold my beer to the Palin family

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF?

Kellyanne Conway tweeted a photo of her 16-year-old daughter topless.

Or Claudia tweeted it to incriminate her mom.

Either way it's an incredibly sad (and possibly criminal) situation.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Or Claudia tweeted it to incriminate her mom.

Either way it's an incredibly sad (and possibly criminal) situation.

Messed up family.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF?

Kellyanne Conway tweeted a photo of her 16-year-old daughter topless.

After all we have seen from this family, nothing is surprising at all.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

After all we have seen from this family, nothing is surprising at all.

I wonder if they are seeing a family counselor?

I doubt mother/daughter relationship can be repaired anytime soon. Probably best to get them apart (hear that George?) and maybe they'll reconcile when daughter is older.

[albionmoonlight]

It's really sad.

They need to get totally out of the public eye and get their house in order.

Having a fundamental breakdown of the parent/child relationship is one of the saddest things out there.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I wonder if they are seeing a family counselor?

I doubt mother/daughter relationship can be repaired anytime soon. Probably best to get them apart (hear that George?) and maybe they'll reconcile when daughter is older.

From waaay on the outside looking in, it looks like their parental roles (George and KellyAnne) took a backseat to other roles in their lives a while ago.

[Edward64]

Good to know.

Claudia Conway posted a series of videos to TikTok Tuesday, hours after Kellyanne was accused Monday of sharing the nude image of the teen using Twitter's Fleets feature. Having initially warned her mother yesterday that she was 'going to f***ing jail', Claudia reverse course Tuesday and apologized, insisting she had acted 'irrationally and impulsively'. 'I have faith and I know my mother would never put something like that on the internet, same with me,' Claudia says in one clip. 'My mother and I we fight like mothers and daughters but we also love like mothers and daughters and I do love her.' In a separate video posted Tuesday, Claudia continues: 'Yesterday when I was made aware of the situation, I was distraught and reacted very irrationally and impulsively and it's something that I do regret. 'I know that my mom would never, ever post anything to hurt me like that intentionally and I do believe she was hacked.' Police in Alpine, New Jersey, where the Conway family lives, confirmed: 'We know what's going on with the Kellyanne Conway situation,' but refused to disclose further details.

[whomario]

From a few days ago:

Claudia Conway accuses Kellyanne Conway of abuse onÂ*TikTok - Vox

On January 19, Claudia posted a series of videos appearing to show Kellyanne shouting, cursing frequently, belittling, and seemingly hitting her daughter. Claudia said she had been recording their fights for years, and that these examples were only a handful of many throughout her life.

Some of what can be heard in the video, ostensibly Kellyanne speaking to Claudia: “Fuck you!” “Bitch.” “If you only knew what people thought of you.” In another, she claims, “You can’t get coronavirus from the president.” (Kellyanne tested positive for Covid-19 after attending a party hosted by then-President Trump.)

What i also don't get is why people like Bill Maher continue to invite Kellyane Conway on shows. There's scores of unapologetic Trumpists around, even plenty who can string together 5 sentences. Why have on the one you have to be aware by now (at least doing a show like he does) has pledged to step away because her daughter is at the very least climbing up the walls to an extent there's no telling what the fuck could happen ? Yeah, you are not responsible for an alcoholic to quit, but maybe not ask them out to drinks ?

Originally Posted by Edward64

I wonder if they are seeing a family counselor?

If you are that vocal about it, the last thing i'd expect is them seeing a counselor. Because any decent ones first sentence would be: You stop airing out your fights in public or look for another counselor.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Good to know.

So when does their reality show premiere?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So when does their reality show premiere?

The Con-Ways.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Good to know.

Just as a warning, though I am sure no one here would. I saw in the report that several people recorded the fleet to report it to twitter. DON'T DO THAT! Any recording of a naked juvenile opens you up to child porn charges, no matter what the reason you may have saved it. Cops will not buy "I saved it to report it" unless you are Pete Townshend.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Or Claudia tweeted it to incriminate her mom.

Either way it's an incredibly sad (and possibly criminal) situation.

It is criminal. But they are white, wealthy, and politically connected.

[PilotMan]

Just from the interactions that come across in the public, Claudia comes across as the spoiled child in a dysfunctional family, where she had everything, except time and a relationship with her parents, so she's this demanding, whiny child who can't figure out where she fits in the world.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Just from the interactions that come across in the public, Claudia comes across as the spoiled child in a dysfunctional family, where she had everything, except time and a relationship with her parents, so she's this demanding, whiny child who can't figure out where she fits in the world.

True. But I'd put more blame on the parents than her.

Kellyanne >>> George > Claudia.

[Edward64]

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Former President Donald Trump is expected to meet with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy in Florida on Thursday, a source connected to the former President confirms to CNN.

The Trump-McCarthy meeting was initiated by the California Republican, another person familiar with the meeting says, and is part of an effort to get back into the good graces of the former president.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

True. But I'd put more blame on the parents than her.

Kellyanne >>> George > Claudia.

I wasn't really blaming her so to speak, more of a function of her environment to this point. Which also goes to show the break in her life from what a typical middle class teenager might experience.

[CrimsonFox]

funny story.

like i think it was a week ago that I was asking you guys where there are Q forums. And I found one and then the second one and posted them on facebook in the same thread. It was basically a question thread : I keep seeing articles about these Q people going nuts yet I've never seen a forum like that. And then i posted the link saying...'oh yeah I found "patriots.win". It's a bit gross. '

Well TODAY....TODAY dacebook has removed that post saying it goes against their standards.

I'm like what? They really need to fire these people that review posts. That was a week ago. And obv didn't read my posts. Either they removed it because I said the site was gross or they removed it because I posted the the site name but it was more based on just wondering if they existed.

[Edward64]

Could belong to a couple other threads but thought Trump should own this.

TBH, it could have been much worse so I'll take it.

The US economy grew at an annualized and seasonally adjusted rate of 4% in the fourth quarter of 2020, just as economists had predicted, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. But that didn't make up for a bad first quarter and an historically awful second quarter.

For 2020 as a whole, GDP decreased by 3.5% from the prior year. That was the worst decline since 1946.

It was the first time US GDP declined since 2009, when it fell 2.5% during the the financial crisis.

[sterlingice]

That number could have been a lot worse

SI

[Brian Swartz]

Last spring, I would have taken 6-8% decline and been grateful. I view that as fantastic bad news, if you know what I mean.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Last spring, I would have taken 6-8% decline and been grateful. I view that as fantastic bad news, if you know what I mean.

"Fantastic bad news" is a good way to describing it. Trump could have done so much more but some credit to him that the broad economy wasn't in the slumps (e.g. like what Obama had to deal with the GR in 2007-2008) when this hit us ... that would have been really bad.

[Edward64]

It's been great with not much Trump news lately. I suspect he is laying low until after the Senate trial to see where things fall. But after that ...

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Edward64

It's been great with not much Trump news lately. I suspect he is laying low until after the Senate trial to see where things fall. But after that ...

Meh he has been muzzled finally by big tech shutting him out of Twitter ad. Facebooks etc. sure he has Fox, rallies with 300 people in backwater Mississippi and far right apps like Gab but that is mostly a echo chamber for the crazy 20% of the US population.

[JPhillips]

We're about 6 weeks away from going a year where unemployment claims are worse every week than the worst week of the Great Recession. For a lot of people, the economy is an absolute disaster.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

We're about 6 weeks away from going a year where unemployment claims are worse every week than the worst week of the Great Recession. For a lot of people, the economy is an absolute disaster.

Not sure if this is response to my post but I was referencing state of the economy prior to Covid hitting. If we were already in a GR (e.g. Obama example), no doubt it would have been much worse.

"Fantastic bad news" is a good way to describing it. Trump could have done so much more but some credit to him that the broad economy wasn't in the slumps (e.g. like what Obama had to deal with the GR in 2007-2008) when this hit us ... that would have been really bad.

[Brian Swartz]

JPhillips is quite correct, but I just think it's all relative. It has been bad for a lot of people. I expected it to be far worse for far more.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

JPhillips is quite correct, but I just think it's all relative. It has been bad for a lot of people. I expected it to be far worse for far more.

There are obviously winners & losers in any capitalistic society, no doubt. But we'll agree to disagree on how well the economy was doing in Jan 2020, prior to Covid hitting.

Trump's Numbers January 2020 Update - FactCheck.org

Now that Donald Trump has been president for three years, what has changed? Here are some things that can be measured:

• The economy added 6.7 million jobs, and unemployment fell to the lowest rate in half a century.
• The economy grew more slowly than Trump promised — at a 2.1% rate most recently.
• Stock prices hit record levels.
• Household income grew; poverty decreased, and paychecks grew 2.5% after inflation.
• Home prices reached record levels; homeownership increased.
• The number of people lacking health insurance rose by nearly 2 million.
• Federal deficits soared, adding $2.8 trillion to the national debt.

[PilotMan]

So he had 3 years to not steer the course too far to the right or left of the road, just keep it in the middle and watch the numbers keep improving. He didn't need to think too hard about it, didn't need to fix anything major that was broken, and instead look where we ended up at, and look at how we got there.

Numbers are numbers, but the decisions that were made regarding policy and the complete lack of any sort of leadership and how all that came crumbling down is where we need to be looking.

[PilotMan]

Meanwhile, lots of people were wondering stuff like this before and during his presidency. As in, how can this guy get away with saying stuff that Russia has been saying for years, and sell it to a bunch of western war hawks and make it sound so good they would buy it?

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy | Donald Trump | The Guardian

[albionmoonlight]

Yup. PilotMan is right. Trump (to his credit) didn't do anything to fuck the economy up when things were going well. But that was a very easy thing to do.

We don't elect or judge Presidents based on how they act when things are going well. The whole point is how do you respond in a crisis.

Bush didn't cause 9/11 or the Great Recession. But we judge him based on how he responded to them.

Carter didn't cause the Iranian hostage crisis, but we judge him based on how he responded to it.

Etc.

What I don't get is the people trying to judge Trump's effect on the economy while removing how he managed the pandemic from the equation. I mean, that's kind of the only real test of his leadership that we have. It is literally the best judge of what kind of President he was (or, it was until after his actions after the election).

So, judge Trump how you want to. But at least judge him on how he did. Not how he would have done if he hadn't made certain choices that seem troublesome in retrospect.

[Swaggs]

It's a matter of policy preference and the GOP ran on it and won, but I think you can make a good argument that the big tax cut in 2017 was sort of like throwing gas on an already well-burning fire and it may have been beneficial to save it for a rainy day. It would have been nice to have that bullet left at the beginning of the pandemic or now.

To me, it is like burning through your special attacks or weapons so you can advance faster in a game and then not having them left for the boss fight.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Yup. PilotMan is right. Trump (to his credit) didn't do anything to fuck the economy up when things were going well. But that was a very easy thing to do.

We don't elect or judge Presidents based on how they act when things are going well. The whole point is how do you respond in a crisis.

Bush didn't cause 9/11 or the Great Recession. But we judge him based on how he responded to them.

Carter didn't cause the Iranian hostage crisis, but we judge him based on how he responded to it.

Etc.

What I don't get is the people trying to judge Trump's effect on the economy while removing how he managed the pandemic from the equation. I mean, that's kind of the only real test of his leadership that we have. It is literally the best judge of what kind of President he was (or, it was until after his actions after the election).

So, judge Trump how you want to. But at least judge him on how he did. Not how he would have done if he hadn't made certain choices that seem troublesome in retrospect.

I'll take exception to how he handled the economy because he ran up the deficit.

[Edward64]

My point that started this discussion is below:

Trump could have done so much more but some credit to him that the broad economy wasn't in the slumps (e.g. like what Obama had to deal with the GR in 2007-2008) when this hit us ... that would have been really bad.

I do not disagree that Trump should have done better in 2020. But the broad economy was in good shape overall in Jan 2020 before this hit, it wasn't in the crapper like what Obama had.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I'll take exception to how he handled the economy because he ran up the deficit.

And inflation was at like 6% or something like that, as well. Higher than it had been for a few years.

[sterlingice]

And that he basically borrowed from the future to basically goose stocks more than anything and add fuel to a bubble that would probably pop around now if not for COVID throwing a wrench into everything (and the Fed's $4T bailout)

SI

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

And inflation was at like 6% or something like that, as well. Higher than it had been for a few years.

Not sure where you're getting this. Inflation hasn't even gotten to 3% in years.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

There are obviously winners & losers in any capitalistic society, no doubt. But we'll agree to disagree on how well the economy was doing in Jan 2020, prior to Covid hitting.

I'm not sure what you're arguing with that I said. I agree that the economy was doing quite well a year ago.

[molson]

I've never really figured out to what extent a president "runs the economy" where we can easily just attribute GNP and unemployment to them like its a sports stat. I think it's probably too political a thing to ever get a real answer on. It's just the easiest thing in the world to assign good or bad based on our affinity for a president. But I tend to believe they don't have much to do with it.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never really figured out to what extent a president "runs the economy" where we can easily just attribute GNP and unemployment to them like its a sports stat. I think it's probably too political a thing to ever get a real answer on. It's just the easiest thing in the world to assign good or bad based on our affinity for a president. But I tend to believe they don't have much to do with it.

Many, many moons ago, someone told me this about presidents and the economy.

"It's like a gnat fucking an elephant. The gnat is back there pumping for all he's worth. All of a sudden, the elephant steps on a nail and lets out a loud shriek and jumps up. The gnat stops and and calls out proudly to whoever would listen, 'That was me!'".

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I'm not sure what you're arguing with that I said. I agree that the economy was doing quite well a year ago.

I inferred JP was saying the economy sucked and thought you agreed with him even after my next post said the economy was good pre-Covid (e.g. Jan 2020).

My bad if I misunderstood your post.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never really figured out to what extent a president "runs the economy" where we can easily just attribute GNP and unemployment to them like its a sports stat. I think it's probably too political a thing to ever get a real answer on. It's just the easiest thing in the world to assign good or bad based on our affinity for a president. But I tend to believe they don't have much to do with it.

IMO in general, President doesn't get most/all the blame and doesn't get most/all the credit, but the President does get some blame and some credit.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Many, many moons ago, someone told me this about presidents and the economy.

"It's like a gnat fucking an elephant. The gnat is back there pumping for all he's worth. All of a sudden, the elephant steps on a nail and lets out a loud shriek and jumps up. The gnat stops and and calls out proudly to whoever would listen, 'That was me!'".

This is absolutely spot on. I'm 100% stealing this.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Edward64

IMO in general, President doesn't get most/all the blame and doesn't get most/all the credit, but the President does get some blame and some credit.

Some presidents only want credit and deflect all blame though.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Mota

Some presidents only want credit and deflect all blame though.

I can't think of any recent president like that.