Yet another school shooting.

[Lathum]

dola- the craziest thing about it was my kids were 5 and 8 at the time. The 8 year old actually went up to them one day and told them they don't want to spend time with them because the TV they watch is scary.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

They won't change. You won't change them. I'd just accept it and minimize any unnecessary contacts with them.

Out of curiosity, what's their take on the Dominion payout?

This is what I do, just accept it. We see them often and just don't talk politics. I would NEVER ask about Dominion, especially my MIL. My FIL is a bit more rational and has backed away from Trump because of the election nonsense, although I suspect if it comes down to it he will vote for him again.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Fox News would be a provocation if I did that.

Hit 'em with the classic: "My house, my rules."

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Congratulations on being the adult in the room

Your parents and in-laws would drive me crazy. They won't change. You won't change them. I'd just accept it and minimize any unnecessary contacts with them.

Out of curiosity, what's their take on the Dominion payout?

Haven't discussed it. The only reason I got to hear her take on the shootings was because I put NBC nightly news on. I try to steer clear of any politics-related stuff.

Even with my parents in TX, they mentioned the Allen shooting, and before that the Louisville shooting, like it's unbelievable all this is happening without a word about why. Which, in hindsight, is better than my MIL's commentary. But I have a call with them this afternoon so we'll see if it comes up again.

[cuervo72]

You should ask them why border crossings are scary if we already have daily mass shootings. How more dangerous are these folks going to be?

[BYU 14]

None of this is real guys, though I think an Assult Car may be a French sports coupe??

Assault weapons aren’t real. Just like there’s no such thing as an assult car, or assault pencil. Stop blaming objects when the person is at fault.

— Kevin Sorbo (@ksorbs) May 7, 2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

None of this is real guys, though I think an Assult Car may be a French sports coupe??

Assault weapons aren’t real. Just like there’s no such thing as an assult car, or assault pencil. Stop blaming objects when the person is at fault.

— Kevin Sorbo (@ksorbs) May 7, 2023

I love how they keep going back to vehicles, which are regulated infinitely more than guns, require training, and require licensing with a minimum age limit.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

I've already been told he's an illegal gang member with gang tattoos and is part of a cartel and we need to close the border

To me this isn't much different than holocaust denial. Just creating your own reality to defend people you share common beliefs with.

Anyway, here are his gang tattoos.




[RainMaker]

If he had survived he would probably have gotten a pardon from Abbott.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

If he had survived he would probably have gotten a pardon from Abbott.

Not with the last name Garcia and parents that don't speak English.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

None of this is real guys, though I think an Assult Car may be a French sports coupe??

This is another favored tactic by the gun nuts. You can't ban "assault weapons" because you can't define what they are.

I also saw a new one the other day talking about how the .223 is among the smallest calibers and what they are trying to ban is "least lethal" caliber. It was among the highest level of ignorance I ever saw of a gun nut, and that is saying something.

[Lathum]

The gun nuts have no real argument so it is all deflection and trying to invalidate the other side on semantics.

[Ghost Econ]

I mean, if someone designed a car for the sole purpose of killing people, it would be illegal, they'd very likely be arrested and the car confiscated/destroyed.

If someone created a pencil in such a way that it's only purpose was to kill someone, it would be illegal, they'd very likely be arrested, and the pencil would be confiscated/destroyed.

The isn't rocket science. If we get rid of specific types of guns that don't need to exist in civil society, of course it will be harder for good guys to get them... but it makes it even harder for bad guys to get them. We don't let good guys buy RPGs... and guess what, we don't have bad guys launching RPGs at malls and schools.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

I mean, if someone designed a car for the sole purpose of killing people, it would be illegal, they'd very likely be arrested and the car confiscated/destroyed.

If someone created a pencil in such a way that it's only purpose was to kill someone, it would be illegal, they'd very likely be arrested, and the pencil would be confiscated/destroyed.

The isn't rocket science. If we get rid of specific types of guns that don't need to exist in civil society, of course it will be harder for good guys to get them... but it makes it even harder for bad guys to get them. We don't let good guys buy RPGs... and guess what, we don't have bad guys launching RPGs at malls and schools.

The problem is true gun nuts think they should be allowed to have RPG's.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

This is another favored tactic by the gun nuts. You can't ban "assault weapons" because you can't define what they are.

I agree with the "gun nuts" on this one. Laws should be explicit and open to as little interpretation as possible. People should know where the line between legal and illegal is.

And "Assault Weapon" is a vague term. If you want to ban that "style" of weapon then talk about banning pistol grips and limiting the size of the magazine.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

To me this isn't much different than holocaust denial. Just creating your own reality to defend people you share common beliefs with.

Anyway, here are his gang tattoos.




You'd think with a name like "Mauricio Garcia" you wouldn't be welcomed in many neo-nazi circles. I wonder how he became enamored with that garbage.

[Ksyrup]

That's what led to my MIL's comment yesterday about him probably being illegal. I heard the name and then they described him as a white supremacist and I half-jokingly said "He must have found the most welcoming white supremacist group in the country, or they were really hard up for members."

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Not with the last name Garcia and parents that don't speak English.

But 6 of the victims were minorities. That would have helped his chances.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I agree with the "gun nuts" on this one. Laws should be explicit and open to as little interpretation as possible. People should know where the line between legal and illegal is.

And "Assault Weapon" is a vague term. If you want to ban that "style" of weapon then talk about banning pistol grips and limiting the size of the magazine.

There's never been an assault weapons ban. There have been bans of specific models and or capabilities.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

You'd think with a name like "Mauricio Garcia" you wouldn't be welcomed in many neo-nazi circles. I wonder how he became enamored with that garbage.

The leader of the Proud Boys is afro-cuban. The groyper guy is Mexican. It's a lot more common than you think.

Remember that this isn't all just about white supremacy, it's about fascism too. The whole RWDS patch that the Proud Boys and this guy wore is from their love of Pinochet. The Proud Boys sell it on their site.

He was even open about that decision online.




[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I agree with the "gun nuts" on this one. Laws should be explicit and open to as little interpretation as possible. People should know where the line between legal and illegal is.

And "Assault Weapon" is a vague term. If you want to ban that "style" of weapon then talk about banning pistol grips and limiting the size of the magazine.

From the 1994 Assault Weapons ban

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, popularly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), was a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law which included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms that were defined as assault weapons as well as certain ammunition magazines that were defined as large capacity.

Start with the 1994 definition and fine-tune as needed

Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, the definition of "semi-automatic assault weapon" ("SAW") (commonly shortened to "assault weapon") included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[19]

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and has two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Bayonet mount
• Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
• Grenade launcher
• Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
• Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
• Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
• Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
• A manufactured weight of 50 ounces (1.41kg) or more when the pistol is unloaded
• A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
• Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
• Detachable magazine.

The law also categorically banned the following makes and models of semi-automatic firearms and any copies or duplicates of them, in any caliber:

[Ksyrup]

I'm assuming this is accurate but it's from social media, so...

In case there is any doubt, the redline is when the assault weapon ban was not renewed. Just look at the dots. pic.twitter.com/NK1pIRjhmy

— Dan Guachione (@1sounddept) May 8, 2023

[GrantDawg]

A guy I knew in high school joined a skinhead group. He was half Jewish. He was the first one to get violent at any chance. That was until they tried to jump some black guys, and one of them took his bat off him. He was two weeks in the hospital. Suddenly, he was no longer as radical.

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[RainMaker]

I would ban the weapon that is being used in every single one of these mass shootings.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The leader of the Proud Boys is afro-cuban. The groyper guy is Mexican. It's a lot more common than you think.

Remember that this isn't all just about white supremacy, it's about fascism too. The whole RWDS patch that the Proud Boys and this guy wore is from their love of Pinochet. The Proud Boys sell it on their site.

I just woek up and skimming and my brain thought that said Pinocchio.
And it was like...REALLY....The Proud boys like Pinocchio...

[RainMaker]

On Saturday, sister Daniela and Sofia Mendoza were shot and killed at the Allen Premium Outlet Mall in Allen, Texas.

Their principal described them as “rays of sunshine”.

Their mom is critically injured. #EndGunViolence #AssaultWeaponsBan pic.twitter.com/7AXnXquWKH

— Newtown Action Alliance (@NewtownAction) May 8, 2023

[RainMaker]

I know it's morbid but if you're the Mother, do you even want to recover?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know it's morbid but if you're the Mother, do you even want to recover?

I've heard the story many times that when one is critically ingured and the other dies the surviving one just gives yup and ends up dying too...

[Atocep]

It's interesting to me that the right really doesn't want this guy to be tied to neo-nazi's and white supremacists because that ties him to them. They're not debating that these groups aren't part of the right anymore. We've all just accepted that.

[RainMaker]

And another boomer shooting at a child for the crime of playing hide and seek near him.




[RainMaker]

Family killed in the Texas mall shooting identified as Cindy Cho, Kyu Cho and their 3-year-old son, James Cho. Their other child, William, just turned 6 and is the only survivor. They were going to the mall to exchange clothes he received for his birthday pic.twitter.com/SOibWZ1OtH

— BNO News (@BNONews) May 8, 2023

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know it's morbid but if you're the Mother, do you even want to recover?

That was my first thought and no. As a parent it’s easily your worst fear and to lose both there is zero chance I would want to go on.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That was my first thought and no. As a parent it’s easily your worst fear and to lose both there is zero chance I would want to go on.

In my high school...my senior year...I was doing a play...and at the cast party closing night...
There was a lot of excitement amongst the younger cast members about a guy named Stuart (who was a sophomore). And they were saying things like the coroner was in the auditence and got a call and had to leave, etc.

Something about a female classmate wanting to drive somewhere...like another town 20 miles away. and that she was driving or something.

The place later got a call and two of the adult women took it. They said "Stuart is gone". Apparently on gravel they flipped the car or something. He was one of two boys in that family...


A year later... I'm in college. Went back to visit one of my friends from a lower grade. Aaaaaand the OTHER boy...was in the play...and the mom said just a minute I'll take you. And he said no my friend is driving us...and she said no I'm going to take you and he said "Mom, don't do this..." and the mom let him go....

And later the Play director came into the dressing room and announced to the cast to cput their makeup down and come into the auditorium. He said that Duane...(the brother of the other kid that died) was in an accident on the way to the school. Another carflip incident or something. So unless someone else stepped up to take his role there would be nothing. Well they double cast shows so the altnight lead took his role by having a clipboard in his hand and reading his lines off that.

It was told to me when the cops arrived to tell her she was inconsolable ...
The second boy DID survive...but he could not walk. I saw him at college a year later with his friend as they were visiting someone else and he had those metal crutches to walk.

The mom it was said when seen in church just looked lost ... and always sad.

I didn't really know any of them much. But she did keep going but so much was taken away from her. Perhaps it was religion and spirituality that kept her going...or the hope of the son himself surviving.

A fliop story that the exwife of a friend of mine in Dayton. She had a boy. I met this kid once at this event we were putting on. He was a scrawny hyper kid of about 9 or 10 eating a loaded plate of a huge pile of roast beef. That's all I remember of him.

YEARS later when I was in Seattle I was talking to a mutual friend who told me the story of this kid and how he was murdered by a friend who bludgeoned him to death with a nintendo controller when he was about 17.
I looked up this article online. And it was a time machine as it had happened years ago. Was so weird. And the wife...after this she left dayton completely as there was nothing left there. She could not stay. There were too many memories.

So people need to do what they need to do to carry on.

It takes time.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

And another boomer shooting at a child for the crime of playing hide and seek near him.




Too bad for him he didn't live one state over. Abbot would pardon him and throw him a parade.

[Lathum]

All these guys have the same completely blank stare. It is almost as if binge watching FOX News has that effect.

[Ghost Econ]

So before he murdered a child, was he a good gun owner or a bad gun owner.

I'll wait offline for the white answer.

[Thomkal]

So the FBI has put out an ad on what do in and how to survive a mass shooting. Pretty chilling, but well done:


https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/...69602549694464

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So before he murdered a child, was he a good gun owner or a bad gun owner.

I'll wait offline for the white answer.

Thankfully the wound was none life threatening, but yes, your point remains.

The fear imbued into these guys by Fox and their ilk, turns them into gun zombies

[bryce]

If insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, does continuing to do nothing at all and expecting different results qualify as insane?

[bryce]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

So the FBI has put out an ad on what do in and how to survive a mass shooting. Pretty chilling, but well done:


https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/...69602549694464

I remember having tornado drills as a kid in school. Now, my 8 year old has active shooter drills at school. Just typing that...man, it's just...surreal, unreal, beyond ridiculous to be necessary.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by bryce

If insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, does continuing to do nothing at all and expecting different results qualify as insane?

For the record, I think it's a horrible definition of insanity. Stubbornness or obstinance, sure, or, in this case, naked graft. But insanity would be like doing the same thing over and over and expecting, I dunno, doing some shrooms and expecting flying unicorns with giant rainbows to wish away the AR-15s and solve the problem. ...Though, it is roughly as effective as hopes and prayers, at least towards resolving this problem

SI

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by bryce

I remember having tornado drills as a kid in school. Now, my 8 year old has active shooter drills at school. Just typing that...man, it's just...surreal, unreal, beyond ridiculous to be necessary.

Look, we have to pick and choose our battles.

We can either have 3rd graders learn how to apply battlefield tourniquets or maybe read a book about segregation.

We all have difficult decisions in our life where choices are clearly either A or B. I could eat lunch OR I could start a fire at a random person's house. Sometimes theres no rational choice and you have to ask God for guidance.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Look, we have to pick and choose our battles.

We can either have 3rd graders learn how to apply battlefield tourniquets or maybe read a book about segregation.

We all have difficult decisions in our life where choices are clearly either A or B. I could eat lunch OR I could start a fire at a random person's house. Sometimes theres no rational choice and you have to ask God for guidance.

As someone with a 7yo doing the same thing:


...


...





SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Look, we have to pick and choose our battles.

We can either have 3rd graders learn how to apply battlefield tourniquets or maybe read a book about segregation.

That's what parents rights are all about, right?



SI

[miami_fan]

Received this my email this morning.

Good morning [redacted] families. We are aware of a social media post involving a possible threat against our campus on Friday. The [redacted] Sheriff’s Office is investigating, and we are currently on Alert Campus status out of an abundance of caution. We are planning to have an enhanced law enforcement presence on campus tomorrow.

As you know, we take all threats seriously. I would like to thank the Sheriff’s Office for all they do to keep our students and staff safe.

So we will have an enhanced law enforcement presence plus parents bringing their own weapons with them as they drop their kids off plus the normal road rage associated with a congested drop off setup and oh yeah a possible threat against the students.

Cool

[flere-imsaho]

This country is such a fucking tire fire.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Received this my email this morning.



So we will have an enhanced law enforcement presence plus parents bringing their own weapons with them as they drop their kids off plus the normal road rage associated with a congested drop off setup and oh yeah a possible threat against the students.

Cool

Update: We decided to keep my son home today. I was prepared to take the slings and arrows about being overly protective, being a snowflake etc. I decided to drive the same route I would to drop him to school before I headed off to the gym. What do you know, there were maybe two cars turning into the driveway to the school. I contacted someone I know in the front office and they said the school had well over a 90% absentee rate today. While law enforcement is still investigating the above incident, a student was arrested for posting an written threat in a different incident and in a third incident single bullets were found in multiple classroom and that is being investigated.


Only two more weeks in the school year.

[flere-imsaho]

Doesn't sound like an over-reaction to me.

It's getting to the point where my sons might be safer randomly wandering around Chicago's South Side than going to school.

[bryce]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I contacted someone I know in the front office and they said the school had well over a 90% absentee rate today.

I'd guess the other 10% simply had no other daycare alternative and had to take them to school?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Doesn't sound like an over-reaction to me.

I mean I didn't really expect anyone to say much

I just did not expect it to be that many students out given some of the conversations I have been a part of around the ball fields when discussing some of the other school threats that have happened around the state/country.

Originally Posted by bryce

I'd guess the other 10% simply had no other daycare alternative and had to take them to school?

Well it is high school so I don't think that was a major consideration but that may have been the case. My guess is it's a combination of a) kids/parents who did not believe that there was a actual threat b) kids taking advantage of the lack of information to scaring their parents who may have been inclined to send them to school c) kids needing to be in school to ensure passing a class or classes needed to be in class to do so and d) kids who have never missed a day of school from K through 12th grade. That last one may sound hokey but I believe there were six seniors who had that distinction at the high school last year. I remember the look on my son's face when we heard it at graduation last year.