WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!! - Page 69

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I amm Assuming that the companies troops can't be reused either. I wonder if a strategy of letting the company expell thier troops might not be a workable strategy. I imagine we have more than enough folks to cover the loss of the first individual.

I believe we probably have to do more than win each time. (or at least a tie goes to the company) since our troops are not as good. If we are going to try to win this round. Iwould suggest a number that makes it less likely we tie.

interesting, NTN has been quiet all game and now is chock-full-o-strategy.

I wouldn't trust him if I was you guys.

What do you think Danny?

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 12:12 PM

My PM box was full just emptied it.

Render, yours is full also

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

i like this plan

what do you think of it Clap?

I havent really spent too much time thinking about this game at all! Why start now

RendeR · 05-11-2009, 12:21 PM

You know...reading up on this battle and the mine wars in general, I don't think the miners ever actually WIN this..I think we're screwed =)

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I suggest using all soldiers early, smash 'em before they can gain any momentum.

What do you think of that Heinze?

Hulk smash.

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 12:28 PM

I vote that we send 1 troop.

Seriously. Let them over-commit early and enhance our presumed numerical advantage.

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 12:29 PM

That is going off the basis that in terms of winning the game a loss of 15000 sympathizer troops to 1 counts as bad as 15000 to 10000

PurdueBrad · 05-11-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

That is going off the basis that in terms of winning the game a loss of 15000 sympathizer troops to 1 counts as bad as 15000 to 10000

I agree, we can afford to lose the first one just to see what we can make them waste. This is a pretty good idea.

Barkeep49 · 05-11-2009, 12:41 PM

My idea for the first has been to go big or go small. By big I mean half or so. By small I'm talking slightly larger than 1 but not substantially so.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

My idea for the first has been to go big or go small. By big I mean half or so. By small I'm talking slightly larger than 1 but not substantially so.

I agree, and I think this strategy is strong throughout. We have a numbers advantage and can afford to go either big or small, but in between may not be worth it.

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

My idea for the first has been to go big or go small. By big I mean half or so. By small I'm talking slightly larger than 1 but not substantially so.

I say go half.

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

My idea for the first has been to go big or go small. By big I mean half or so. By small I'm talking slightly larger than 1 but not substantially so.

I guess for me it boils down to how many wolves you think there are. If they are few in number, they likely went big.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok the sympathizers action should be in. So let's talk numbers. Again it would be helpful if we formed an idea of how many camps we think it takes to win. The idea should be to end the game, win or lose, with as few points as possible.

I think we have to plan for at least 3 wins. We might even have to take the risk that 3 would win and not play for four depending on how things go early.

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I think we have to plan for at least 3 wins. We might even have to take the risk that 3 would win and not play for four depending on how things go early.

good plan

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:51 PM

Did I hear something? Hmm, no I guess not.

PurdueBrad · 05-11-2009, 12:51 PM

vote Lathum

Barkeep49 · 05-11-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I agree, and I think this strategy is strong throughout. We have a numbers advantage and can afford to go either big or small, but in between may not be worth it.

I'm not convinced at all we have a numbers advantage. While I think the idea that we'd win and lose at the same rate is fundamentally sound, I think we've lost a few missions and thus it's entirely possible we're about even in terms of troops to start.

Barkeep49 · 05-11-2009, 12:54 PM

Abe:

Am I at risk for randomly dying? If yes, is another villager assured of assuming my position?

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:54 PM

FWIW, my trust list is something this. (leaving out BK and Lathum)

1. Claphamsa
2. PurdueBrad
3. Jeheinz
4. Chief Rum
5. Glengoyne
6. Render
7. Daddy Torgo
8. NTN

Abe Sargent · 05-11-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Abe:

Am I at risk for randomly dying? If yes, is another villager assured of assuming my position?

Nope

PurdueBrad · 05-11-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm not convinced at all we have a numbers advantage. While I think the idea that we'd win and lose at the same rate is fundamentally sound, I think we've lost a few missions and thus it's entirely possible we're about even in terms of troops to start.

+1 here. The numbers I threw out before were based on how we got our troops.

If they got 2k per village, they have 8k to start PLUS whatever bonus (or bonuses I guess) they may have gotten. If they got one, then they're at 10500 to our 12500, fairly tight IMHO.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm not convinced at all we have a numbers advantage. While I think the idea that we'd win and lose at the same rate is fundamentally sound, I think we've lost a few missions and thus it's entirely possible we're about even in terms of troops to start.

I meant a numbers advantage in regards to how many villagers and wolves there are. We can afford to lose more rounds than the wolves.

RendeR · 05-11-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

My PM box was full just emptied it.

Render, yours is full also

Umm, no, its not. Probably never will be.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

+1 here. The numbers I threw out before were based on how we got our troops.

If they got 2k per village, they have 8k to start PLUS whatever bonus (or bonuses I guess) they may have gotten. If they got one, then they're at 10500 to our 12500, fairly tight IMHO.

In regards to these numbers, they probably have about the same, but remember theirs are stronger, so it's not simply a 1:1 ratio.

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Slip of the tongue there Glen?

Actually no, I don't think any thing I say will make a difference there, but It should have read miners' referencing the folks actually engaging in the fighting.

I understand if you don't trust me.

In terms of Trust. I think I'd put you at the very top of my list, well right after BK.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 01:01 PM

Looks like deadline, this will be interesting.

Barkeep49 · 05-11-2009, 01:04 PM

The lack of an order was not a mistake. I debated doing a wacky # like 107 but decided to simply let them show their hand first.

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 01:04 PM

so BK forgot to put in an ordre?

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 01:04 PM

Oh I'm hoping we went small, just to see what their numbers were. I think Labor will have a big numbers advantage, with a relatively small number of Corporate folks being of much higher "quality" due to training and equipment.

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The lack of an order was not a mistake. I debated doing a wacky # like 107 but decided to simply let them show their hand first.

oh ok

Barkeep49 · 05-11-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I meant a numbers advantage in regards to how many villagers and wolves there are. We can afford to lose more rounds than the wolves.

It is, I feel, either 8-3, or 7-4. If it's 7-4 we actually have to win more rounds than they do, or at least win a couple early on.

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The lack of an order was not a mistake. I debated doing a wacky # like 107 but decided to simply let them show their hand first.

Oh This seems like a mis-understanding of the rules. Well either mine or BK's.

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

In terms of Trust. I think I'd put you at the very top of my list, well right after BK.

that's a smart move

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

that's a smart move

glad your having fun....

Danny · 05-11-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It is, I feel, either 8-3, or 7-4. If it's 7-4 we actually have to win more rounds than they do, or at least win a couple early on.

I think your strategy is solid, though I probably would have done something like 11 soldiers just in case.

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

FWIW, my trust list is something this. (leaving out BK and Lathum)

1. Claphamsa
2. PurdueBrad
3. Jeheinz
4. Chief Rum
5. Glengoyne
6. Render
7. Daddy Torgo
8. NTN

This isn't to pick on you and it doesn't really matter, but how the heck are people putting uncleared folks ahead of me?

I mean I've got the same shot at cunning as any other remaining player, so it can't be that. I was the last of the scans and I believe they only would've had 1 night to bribe me after I was scanned, so my conversion odds are minimal.

Just weird. Irrelevant (since I'm not really pushing for my agenda in this battle thingy anyhow) but weird.

PurdueBrad · 05-11-2009, 01:07 PM

Good move BK!

DaddyTorgo · 05-11-2009, 01:08 PM

yeah. or 1

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 01:08 PM

BK, If we are overrun I'm forever going to call you McClellan.

Probably just Mac for short.

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

that's a smart move

Probably just marginally smarter than your first post of the day.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

This isn't to pick on you and it doesn't really matter, but how the heck are people putting uncleared folks ahead of me?

I mean I've got the same shot at cunning as any other remaining player, so it can't be that. I was the last of the scans and I believe they only would've had 1 night to bribe me after I was scanned, so my conversion odds are minimal.

Just weird. Irrelevant (since I'm not really pushing for my agenda in this battle thingy anyhow) but weird.

Let me expand by saying 1-4 are pretty much all equal on there. Lathum as a wolf put early votes on both PB and Clap to establish them as lynch candidates and with how the voting went down with both I feel both are likely villagers. Also with Lathum being a wolf and still having no clue how the bribe mechanic works, I'd say you and Chief being in the top 4 is fair.

DaddyTorgo · 05-11-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Probably just marginally smarter than your first post of the day.

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 01:10 PM

so BK did nothing?

is that even allowed?

interesting

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Probably just marginally smarter than your first post of the day.

fuck you

jeheinz72 · 05-11-2009, 01:11 PM

Settle down Noop

Lathum · 05-11-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Let me expand by saying 1-4 are pretty much all equal on there. Lathum as a wolf put early votes on both PB and Clap to establish them as lynch candidates and with how the voting went down with both I feel both are likely villagers. Also with Lathum being a wolf and still having no clue how the bribe mechanic works, I'd say you and Chief being in the top 4 is fair.

lol.

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

fuck you

CAAANN YOU FEEL THE LOOOOOVE 2NITE

Glengoyne · 05-11-2009, 01:13 PM

BK,

If we're around for later delegation.

I say we put Jeheinz at the top of the list, and if he can man the fort until you return, that we stick with that.

He was the last one cleared, and I'm not sure if there has really be a chance for him to be converted since.

Other than him I'd put CR high on my confidence list. You could go me...but I suck at these kind of things.

claphamsa · 05-11-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

BK,

If we're around for later delegation.

I say we put Jeheinz at the top of the list, and if he can man the fort until you return, that we stick with that.

He was the last one cleared, and I'm not sure if there has really be a chance for him to be converted since.

Other than him I'd put CR high on my confidence list. You could go me...but I suck at these kind of things.

especially after BK said he wasnt leaving.

Danny · 05-11-2009, 01:14 PM

Jeheinz is a good choice.

05-11-2009, 12:21 PM	#3404
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	You know...reading up on this battle and the mine wars in general, I don't think the miners ever actually WIN this..I think we're screwed =) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

05-11-2009, 01:04 PM	#3428
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	so BK forgot to put in an ordre? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-11-2009, 01:08 PM	#3438
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yeah. or 1 __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-11-2009, 12:12 PM	#3402
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My PM box was full just emptied it. Render, yours is full also

05-11-2009, 12:41 PM	#3409
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	My idea for the first has been to go big or go small. By big I mean half or so. By small I'm talking slightly larger than 1 but not substantially so.

05-11-2009, 12:51 PM	#3415
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Did I hear something? Hmm, no I guess not.

05-11-2009, 12:51 PM	#3416
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	vote Lathum

05-11-2009, 12:54 PM	#3418
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Abe: Am I at risk for randomly dying? If yes, is another villager assured of assuming my position?

05-11-2009, 12:54 PM	#3419
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	FWIW, my trust list is something this. (leaving out BK and Lathum) 1. Claphamsa 2. PurdueBrad 3. Jeheinz 4. Chief Rum 5. Glengoyne 6. Render 7. Daddy Torgo 8. NTN

05-11-2009, 01:01 PM	#3426
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Looks like deadline, this will be interesting.

05-11-2009, 01:04 PM	#3427
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The lack of an order was not a mistake. I debated doing a wacky # like 107 but decided to simply let them show their hand first.

05-11-2009, 01:04 PM	#3429
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Oh I'm hoping we went small, just to see what their numbers were. I think Labor will have a big numbers advantage, with a relatively small number of Corporate folks being of much higher "quality" due to training and equipment.

05-11-2009, 01:07 PM	#3437
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Good move BK!

05-11-2009, 01:08 PM	#3439
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	BK, If we are overrun I'm forever going to call you McClellan. Probably just Mac for short.

05-11-2009, 01:10 PM	#3443
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so BK did nothing? is that even allowed? interesting

05-11-2009, 01:13 PM	#3448
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	BK, If we're around for later delegation. I say we put Jeheinz at the top of the list, and if he can man the fort until you return, that we stick with that. He was the last one cleared, and I'm not sure if there has really be a chance for him to be converted since. Other than him I'd put CR high on my confidence list. You could go me...but I suck at these kind of things.

05-11-2009, 01:14 PM	#3450
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Jeheinz is a good choice.

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