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That for me seems a tough pill to swallow I mean Starbuck as a living breathing human was a real son of a bitch. I think abetter person for a biblical comparison would of been Abraham or Saint Paul I think who was a Roman soldier and later found God and became a christian or one of the various characters from the old testament that slips my mind right now that weren't the greatest people and found god and turned it around. I did like the whole stuff with her Dad that was cool. Last edited by Galaril : 03-21-2009 at 09:18 PM. |
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Christ was considered as the messiah. Thrace is the messiah of the fleet.
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I always thought that RDM would have been painting himself into a corner what with all the references to a "higher power" manipulating behind the scenes throughout the series:
- The Pythian prophecies coming true (at first, everthing seemed coincidental, but it soon became clear that a higher power was at work) - Baltar's "hand of god" moment in season one. - Baltar's praying and saving of a young boy afflicted with meningitis in exchange for his life. - Kara Thrace leading them to Earth - Everything else falling into place. I never expected RDM actually pointing out and saying "Hey, it's the God character I've been inserting into the storyline for the past four years. Hello. I've been hinting at it for the past four seasons, it's just that you refuse to see it or believe it." Sure, I can understand people not liking the finale, but I loved it. It was a fitting and tongue-in-cheek end to the best show on TV in the past five years.
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I loved that touch. I always loved the original show, grew to dislike its camping "everything has a happy ending" way of writing (thanks dumbass 80's life) but still loved the show itself. The theme song was something I used to play on my tape player as a kid to help me go to sleep at night Quote:
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Definitely a show I will go back and watch numerous times. Agree wholeheartedly with these points (bold) All in all I loved a lot of things they did at the end. I felt they rushed it a bit but there was SO much storyline built up in this series and they only had so many episodes to end it in so I think they did the best they could with the time they had. I noted someone disliked the missile attack that destroyed the colony, can you explain why? I thought the dead body accidentally eliminating or at least severely damaging the colony (aka a plot point that keeps the cylons from following the human/cylon group) was a nice touch? I've never bee one to collect a TV series on DVD but this will probably be the first one I add. There is just so much in this series to enjoy, whether its the first season and the "escape at all costs" direction, the second season and its weaker but just as interesting "survival of the race" angle, or the last 2 where it becomes more philosophical and a "thinker's" story. I love it. It was more than I could have ever expected from a remake of one of my favorite shows of all time. Best Science Fiction Series ever created for television. |
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Yeah, it sucked they never came up with a reasonable explanation for all the anachronisms. But really, nothing is ever out of place is a show where "well, god did it" is used as an explanation. No need for logic when you have holy magic to justify your ridiculous costuming, etc. |
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The "show" isn't saying anything of the kind, its leaving up to your interpretation. As for the so called anachronisms there is a very plausible and sensible reasoning. "this has all happened before and it will all happen again" its the basis for the entire show. If as the show suggests, our Earth and its human population have a direct connection with the survivors of the 13 tribes, it makes perfect sense that creatures developing from the same genetic stock develop tools, items, customs and styles that are very similar to their ancestors. In that vein the use of such props in the show is perfectly acceptable because, as has been said over and over again, They're just representations that the show uses to allow us to understand what they're supposed to be. I'm sorry You can't see or understand that or that you seem to think every single item should look and feel completely different, but as I and others have said, thats your problem not the shows. |
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Meh. If you think they were justified in using all those anachronisms, more power to you. I say they were being lazy and cheap and illogical. I guess I didn't appreciate the fanboy ability to overlook glaring errors. It is one thing to recognize and acknowledge mistakes and claim they don't bother you. It is an entirely different scenario to bend over backwards to try and explain things that clearly have no reasonable explanation.
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{scratches head}
Pretty much throughout the life of the show I was aware that there was likely to be a significant role for some higher power, whether they go with God, Ronzoni, or whatever. And I don't watch the frackin show but I knew that. And now there's apparently some sort of upset because they stuck with it? Huh? Heck, the original concept starting with Glen Larson had a number of theological influences, Mormonism in particular.
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I believe, JIMG, that a lot of people hoped the religious parts were just a sideshow and not central.
And why do people keep responding to Bad-example? Let him stay in his strange bubble alone, k?
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That kind of seems like watching Seinfeld and thinking there would eventually be a plot isn't it? Whatever I guess, just strikes me a little strange.
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While there may be a "hand of god" guiding things, that's typically what we saw in the show. While the show suggests there is a higher power, it all embraces free will. That moment undermineded the case for free will because it would suggest that god put in motion the events rather than just influencing them. Exactly. No need to feed the trolls. He's said his piece and hates the show so it begs the question why he still wanders in. I'm sure he'll wander in here and explain that too. This has all happened before, and it will happen again. |
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Oh, I agree fully. I just remember all the discussions I've had (mostly online) where people would sigh and say something like another episode with the mystical crap. Made me wonder when anyone said BSG was a show just about 'spolsions.
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I guess from what Moore said in that TV Guide interview that Glen Larson is making a feayure film that will be based on the original BSG not Moore creation so for any of the folks like my brother who refused to watch or did not like the new BSG they have that to look forward to.
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I guess from what Moore said in that TV Guide interview that Glen Larson is making a feature film that will be based on the original BSG not Moore creation so for any of the folks like my brother who refused to watch or did not like the new BSG they have that to look forward to.
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I guess from what Moore said in that TV Guide interview that Glen Larson is making a feature film that will be based on the original BSG not Moore creation so for any of the folks like my brother who refused to watch or did not like the new BSG they have that to look forward to.
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I think the thing you're missing here is the general consensus approach. If 20 out of 30 people think somethings wrong, it probably is. if 2 do, its probably not the thing thats mistaken, but the 2 that think so. I honestly hope you just stop caring and move on. The show had its issues. The nit picky bullshit you've ranted about for 7 pages and a couple years really isn't one of the problems. That issue is yours. I'm sorry you have such a limited ability to suspend disbelief. *** end of responses to BE's glaring inability to move on As for the "god" angle, what have you been watching for 5 years? Did you never see the original show either? Faith is at the very heart of this show from the time Larson wrote the first short story of "Ark". If you went into BSG thinking it wasn't going to have a major religious theme I'm really not sure what you were thinking. I'm not sold on the "hand of God" idea for the missile attack either. They were sitting in the middle of an asteroid field around a singularity, I was sort of stunned the missiles didn't go off much sooner. Its not like they needed to go off "right then" either, they could have been fired after Galactica left and would have done the same effect. Having the rock hit the raptor and make the controls get pushed when they did was just some added drama. I gotta ask though. Did anyone else get emotional when Galactica jumped blind away from the colony and upon reappearing basically cracked and caved in? My stomach just did flip flops. Its such a sad scene. Very well done, but gah, its GALACTICA damnit, she's not supposed to die! *sigh* |
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I'm just as excited to see something like this too. Moore's vision of the storyline is much more along the lines of what I would expect such a story to follow, but I loved the old show in its day too. I just thought it was far too campy and "happy go lucky everything will be ok" type of thing. Seeing something knew in that vein would be a very interesting contrast to Moore's creation. |
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I always wondered about this for most all Sci-Fi shows. the Original Star Trek had numerous philosophical angles and took on modern day current events in damned near every episode and you really didn't see anyone tearing it down for doing so. The newer versions of star trek all did so as well, just dressing them up differently. Yet no one tore them down for it either. I just don't get why people seem to think a "space based" TV show (for those who complain that BSG really isn't Sci-FI, not that that makes ANY sense) shouldn't deal with the human condition. |
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It was sad, but then again it was a dying leader (My opinion is that Galactica and not Roslin is the dying leader the prophacy spoke of).
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I'm stunned that anyone would argue that. I'm not really a sci-fi fan, but I've always thought that the beauty of good sci-fi is that it can tackle the tough issues of the day without all the bias and baggage you'd get if it was about real people, groups, nations, etc. |
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I thought prior to the finale that the Galactica would be used to ram the Colony with Adama at the helm as part of the final battle. As it turns out, it was used to ram the Colony, but not with the force that I was imagining.
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I agree with this completely. That ship LED the fleet throughout this story. Even when Pegasus was with them, Galactica was the lead ship. I've thought this all through the series and never figured out how to vocalize it. Thanks! |
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I too shivered when the old theme song played. it was a fantastic touch. And I agree with the sentiment about sci-fi fans, but if you aren't a sci-fi fan why would you watch this series anyway? Its like setting yourself up to fail. |
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I personally think Roslin was the dying leader but it's worth noting that the three most critical people or objects that led them to Earth were Roslin, Galactica and Starbuck and they all died/vanished/destroyed at the end.
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Ditto....fitting theme song for the end of that ship. The only thing that bothered me about the whole scene is that I couldn't understand how Sam was leading all the ships to the Sun.
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I had no problem with the ending for Kara. After her crash, she was an entity created by "God" to have a specific influence on humanity and the cylons that was fulfilled when they got to the "real" Earth. Clearly she understood that just before she disappeared, but prior to that was not self-aware (unlike, say, Head-Baltar and Head-Caprica).
Another point of confusion I'm seeing on the Interwebs regards Adama and why he'd leave Lee forever like that, not just go away, bury Roslin, and then come back. Well, I think Adama is about to die as well, given how much his health clearly deteriorated in the last season. I'd imagine he has only months left to live, and perhaps not that long if he doesn't bother to build the cabin. So he really was leaving Lee for the last time. Of all the images that strike me from the finale, the one I keep coming back to is Lee's last scene (with Kara). His reaction after his talk about exploration and right after she disappears really sums up the loneliness, but good loneliness he feels, and perhaps all the survivors feel, now that they've made this decision to stop here, and to live the way they're going to live. |
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dola - the only "big" unanswered question for me is: what/who exactly where the Lords (Gods) of Kobol? Completely fictional? Super-Cylons? AIs? Actual Gods (but not "God")?
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Well I had a hard time wrapping my head around that considering they kept everything pretty low-tech to prevent the Cylons from controlling their systems as it was alluded to many times in previous episodes. If he was leading a group of Cylon ships into the Sun, it would have made more sense since Galactica had some Cylon technology.
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BSG largely embraces religious plurality. There are archetypes for many religions among by the humans and cylons. If anything, it's the humans who believe in multiple gods and the cylons who believe in the one true god, so it could be said that monotheism in Earth cultural derives from the cylons. It makes sense that the religions of the colonies would be the roots of religions on Earth. My belief is that the Lords of Kobol were akin to the Gods of Olympus. Essentially, classic mythology is a descendant of the Lords of Kobol. Clearly based on the stories of the Temple of Five and whatnot is that humans/cylons were the ones who created and made those places not gods, just like similar icons on Earth. I think the message the show delivers is generally that "god" exists but not the way we envision it. Note "angel" Baltar's line about about how "god" doesn't like to be called that. Of course, I come to the conclusion because it more closely resembles my own belief system that there is a higher power but we do not understand it. Your mileage may vary. And of course maybe some of these will be addresed in The Plan movie, since maybe we may learn more about the cylon religion and Temple of Five. |
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I like it, as a theory.
The way I see it, the "god" behind the series is probably an incredibly advanced AI or (more likely) an ascended being. Further, my real guess is that the Lords of Kobol were either a) advanced AIs in human form (similar to the humanform cylons, but considerably more powerful) or (again) b) ascended beings in human form. |
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I thought the ending/final season was 'OK.' I'll admit that the show didn't really ever fulfill the potential I felt it had in seasons 1/2, but it's one of the better TV series I've ever watched.
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Kobol seems to have some significance because of the religious importance for the 12 colonies, the cylons and the 13th tribe. Perhaps Kobol has been the interesecting point over the millenia. Which might be another clue that the cycle is broken because Kobol has been destroyed. RDM is the only one who knows. I believe the Lords of Kobol were just mythology. |
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The finale was a mild disappointment for me. It had moments, but it came across very rushed, and I didn't buy the reasoning for giving up on technology (again, there probably just wasn't enough time for that to seem like a natural conclusion for them to reach.) There were 6 or 7 episodes worth of material and character development, possibly more, crammed into a 2 hour finale.
I also didn't really care for the robot montage, though I understand the intent. I actually think the show had already made itself relevant to us in the parallels to terrorism and occupation and etc. The super literal robot angle was silly and actually took away from that. Still, it was good enough to do the series justice. It was only a disappointment in that the earlier finales really blew me away. I don't expect to ever like a scifi show more than this. |
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The whole last 2 minutes to me were far, far, far more on-the-nose than this show has been before. I always liked the fact that it spoke to problems in our real world without making them crystal clear. I agree that the ending was much too literal, and didn't really match the tone of the whole series. |
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I don't know if there was ever a thread on the new pilot movie for BSG spinoff "Caprica"? I saw the first half of the movie after renting it. I guess I missed it on SyFy channel. Anyways, I can not imagine this being even remotely successful for more than a season and consider it to be very pedestrian compared to the first series (BSG). That being said I had a tough time turning it off half way through to go to bed. It is interesting to see the start of the Cyclons and all. This very well may shed more light on areas left open from BSG like the real orgins of the Cylons personality/ego and the monotheist/single god stuff. I am really curious what other thought of the the movie who saw it and the shows premise in itself.
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Are you ready for a remake? No not the series we mostly all loved till the horrible ending...but a remake of the original as a movie rather than a series:
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