2013 College Football Offseason thread

[Lathum]

sad

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Questions that I haven't seen answered (or mentioned) anywhere.

Is Manziel a frat member at A&M?

How did he happen to pick that first frat party? Did he have a friend(s) at UT-A that had something to do with his choice of attendance? Or did he literally just wander around campus until he spotted a keg(s)?

Jon I'm fairly certain thaat active NCAA athletes are prohibited from joining frats/sors.

Actually Ill ask about this in more detail. I know it was forbidden when I played, not that youd have time anyway, and it is not allowed currently at Clemson, but come to think of it I am not 100% thats not a team rule

[CU Tiger]

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

I was gonna say, I knew Sanchez was in a frat at USC...

[HomerSimpson98]

Johnny is not in a frat. He was in Austin the past weekend supposedly hanging out with buddy Malcolm Brown, a RB for the Dark Side, and others. Apparently, everyone was having a grand old time until some of the frat daddies got a little irritated with all the attention JFF was getting. Nothing big, nothing bad, and nothing newsworthy. He still doesn't understand that every move he makes is magnified I guess. It will be great when his ass is locked up for fall ball

Also, sad and horrible news out of Utah/New Mexico. Way too young

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

FWIW, my initial guess was that it wasn't allowed but my wife remembered that several players were in fraternities back in her days at UT Knoxville.

That's what led to me wondering if JF might be as well.

[molson]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Wow...
OK.

Then again Colin Kap wore a Fins hat so maybe it doesnt matter.

I think the lack of judgement is the issue...that and the lack of preperation.

I just don't think it's going to derail his NFL career or result him getting "paid like other college kids" instead of "8 or 9 figures". The NFL couldn't give two shits about college football rivalry ethics. I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then. I think it's just off-putting for a lot of people when a guy reaches this level of celebrity status when he's still in school. Mark Sanchez got close to that level, but I think L.A. just maybe has a better celebrity infrastructure of keeping some things away from the public eye. Neither College Station or Manziel has that level of sophistication.

[Logan]

To be fair, Marino fell in the draft on rumors of drug use right?

I think the league learned their lesson on that one.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by molson

I just don't think it's going to derail his NFL career or result him getting "paid like other college kids" instead of "8 or 9 figures". The NFL couldn't give two shits about college football rivalry ethics. I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then. I think it's just off-putting for a lot of people when a guy reaches this level of celebrity status when he's still in school. Mark Sanchez got close to that level, but I think L.A. just maybe has a better celebrity infrastructure of keeping some things away from the public eye. Neither College Station or Manziel has that level of sophistication.

Actually, stuff has a way of getting out in LA, not staying in. This ain't a town for secrets.

I don't think Sanchez stayed at USC long enough to get the kind of attention anywhere near what Manziel is seeing. Closest parallel locally was Leinart and Bush in the glory days around 2005--and they got a ton of attention for it. For whatever reason, they were better at keeping the actual partying aout of the media and just keeping it to "Leinart showed up at the Grammy's" kinds of stories.

Leinart, of course, got bit by this when he went to Phoenix and actually got some money, since he then had both money and connections.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't think Sanchez stayed at USC long enough to get the kind of attention anywhere near what Manziel is seeing. Closest parallel locally was Leinart and Bush in the glory days around 2005--and they got a ton of attention for it. For whatever reason, they were better at keeping the actual partying aout of the media and just keeping it to "Leinart showed up at the Grammy's" kinds of stories.

Sanchez and his keepers kept stuff buried, don't ask me how, but they did.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Manziel family and friends talk about concerns with his behavior and how they feel it may derail his career.....

Heisman winner Johnny Manziel's celebrity could derail the Texas Aggies season - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN

[finketr]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Manziel family and friends talk about concerns with his behavior and how they feel it may derail his career.....

Heisman winner Johnny Manziel's celebrity could derail the Texas Aggies season - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN

Texas aggies? Fail.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

Yeah I was going to say, I also remember quite a few college athletes joining fraternities/sororities.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by molson

I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then.

Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Speaking of the Mannings, I did my wife a disservice up the thread. Her frame of reference was actually Eli Manning being in a fraternity, not the Willie Gault-era "back in the day" I alluded to.

My bad.

[MrBug708]

Vanderdoes cleared!

[Matthean]

Ohio State suspends Carlos Hyde for at least first 3 games « Big Ten Network

[Brownkeg8]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Pretty sure Reggie Bush was partying in the UCLA part of town more than once.

Anyone heard where Michael Dyer is going? I think he can play this fall.

That last I heard he was trying to get into Arkansas, he wants to stay close to the people that helped him at Arkansas Baptist. Yes, he would be eligible to play

[Brownkeg8]

Originally Posted by Brownkeg8

That last I heard he was trying to get into Arkansas, he wants to stay close to the people that helped him at Arkansas Baptist. Yes, he would be eligible to play

After I posted this see he applied for enrollment at Louisville and Bridgewater stated they the team would accept him.

Bridgewater on Michael Dyer: Team would 'take him in and welcome him'

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

Peyton was too busy staying in for a quiet night of sexual harassment for any wild drunken exploits.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Speaking of the Mannings, I did my wife a disservice up the thread. Her frame of reference was actually Eli Manning being in a fraternity, not the Willie Gault-era "back in the day" I alluded to.

My bad.

Both Archie and Eli were Sigma Nu at Ole Miss.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Logan

To be fair, Marino fell in the draft on rumors of drug use right?

I think the league learned their lesson on that one.

Yeah his nickname at the time around here was Snowman Dan

[molson]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

Drinking in college and having a good time (or mooning female trainers and forcing your school to pay out a settlement) is not evil, nor is it mutually exclusive with being nice to people.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by molson

Drinking in college and having a good time (or mooning female trainers and forcing your school to pay out a settlement) is not evil, nor is it mutually exclusive with being nice to people.

Didn't say they were.

[molson]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Didn't say they were.

Then what about meeting Archie and Peyton convinces you that they didn't have their own wild booze-fueled adventures in college?

Edit: Didn't we all go to college with plenty of people who went a little nuts on occasion but somehow managed to be productive adults? And the athlete parties always had the reputation of being crazier than anything we were doing.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by molson

Then what about meeting Archie and Peyton convinces you that they didn't have their own wild booze-fueled adventures in college?

Edit: Didn't we all go to college with plenty of people who went a little nuts on occasion but somehow managed to be productive adults? And the athlete parties always had the reputation of being crazier than anything we were doing.

From meeting them, talking with them and reading their book, neither one of them seemed like they had the wild drunken fun aspect to their personalities, but I agree that's not something you can always assess in limited contact with them.

And I said I'd be "...a little surpised..." and not "...I'm convinced they didn't..."

[Brownkeg8]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Pretty sure Reggie Bush was partying in the UCLA part of town more than once.

Anyone heard where Michael Dyer is going? I think he can play this fall.

Dyer reportedly headed to Louisville

Dyer reportedly headed to UofL

[Kodos]

2013 Conference Predictions - CBSSports.com

[HomerSimpson98]

Originally Posted by Brownkeg8

Dyer reportedly headed to Louisville

Dyer reportedly headed to UofL

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?

Idk. I saw the story a couple days ago and it made a couple good points. He's never been arrested, the gun he keeps getting linked to was legally registered, and he does seem to have turned a corner at Arkansas Baptist (and by choosing Arkansas Baptist over just going some place he could play football.)

Late edit to make clear I don't think he's a choir boy, but I don't think he's any large degree worse than most BCS-level players. This isn't some Lawrence Phillips situation where he's been arrested and charged with beating a woman or anything and schools are just trotting out the "rehabilitated image" when we all know its a sham.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?

Makes me wonder how much you've followed Strong, or if you've just listened to the hype.

[Brownkeg8]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?

Urban stated at one point that Strong was a huge influence in Fla's locker room, so he must feel that he and his leaders can keep Dyer in check.

[HomerSimpson98]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Makes me wonder how much you've followed Strong, or if you've just listened to the hype.

Please elaborate. When my Aggies finally came to their senses and canned Sherman, Strong and Sumlin were my 1a and 1b choices. Both seemed to be 2 intelligent coaches who could relate to the kids and get the most out of them. When digging a little deeper, Charlie said some things that made me scratch my head, but nothing that threw up the red flags. Are low-character guys the norm for him? I really like what he did when he fixed the mess that Kragthorpe left behind (player revolts, nonperformance, etc).

[Buccaneer]

I guess I don't follow what's happening very well at all

Formation of Division 4 is the next game-changer in college football - CBSSports.com

The article, to me, was confusing. There is a Division 1, 2 and 3 and they are proposing a Division of non-Big 5 conferences? Doesn't Division 4 imply something lower than Division 3?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I guess I don't follow what's happening very well at all

Formation of Division 4 is the next game-changer in college football - CBSSports.com

The article, to me, was confusing. There is a Division 1, 2 and 3 and they are proposing a Division of non-Big 5 conferences? Doesn't Division 4 imply something lower than Division 3?

My guess is it'll end up being something other than Division 4 if and when this does actually occur. For now, it's a convenient shorthand like the Catholic 7 for the then-Big East breakaway schools.

This is also a way for the NCAA to placate the revenue generators and keep them in the organizational structure, rather than breaking away from the NCAA and killing it.

[britrock88]

Division 0 for the big conferences?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Division $ for the big conferences?

Fixed it!

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Izulde

My guess is it'll end up being something other than Division 4 if and when this does actually occur. For now, it's a convenient shorthand like the Catholic 7 for the then-Big East breakaway schools.

This is also a way for the NCAA to placate the revenue generators and keep them in the organizational structure, rather than breaking away from the NCAA and killing it.

Thank you.

[JPhillips]

I still don't see how that works with Title 9 and the fact that many of the schools in a new division would still be taking millions from student fees/tuition before they start paying players.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I still don't see how that works with Title 9 and the fact that many of the schools in a new division would still be taking millions from student fees/tuition before they start paying players.

Title IX is going to be the big stumbling block to all of this in general (paying players) I think. But this isn't designed to worry about that IMO. This is a move (if it comes to fruition) to make sure the highest revenue schools get as much money as possible so they don't bolt the NCAA and cause the death of the organization.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia Tech has picked a new radio pbp guy. Butler University's Brandon Gaudin, all 29 years old of him.

I must admit that he does kinda remind me of Wes Durham, hopefully that's a good sign for the future.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Please elaborate. When my Aggies finally came to their senses and canned Sherman, Strong and Sumlin were my 1a and 1b choices. Both seemed to be 2 intelligent coaches who could relate to the kids and get the most out of them. When digging a little deeper, Charlie said some things that made me scratch my head, but nothing that threw up the red flags. Are low-character guys the norm for him? I really like what he did when he fixed the mess that Kragthorpe left behind (player revolts, nonperformance, etc).

I'm going to say this as fairly as I can and try very hard to hide my personal bias.

Charlie has never shyed away from taking on a morality project or troubled kid.
Your personal opinion will likely determine whether that's because he is a confident strong willed coach who thinks he can improve troubled young lives, or conversely, doesn't care who they kill Monday thru Friday as long as they kill the opponent on Saturday.

Obviously I fall in the second camp.

[MrBug708]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...ing-autographs

Oops.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...ing-autographs

Oops.

It boggles the mind that he'd be so stupid as to take money for autographs. That isn't exactly some arcane rule, which leads to the following conclusions:

A) The story is patently false
B) The story is true, but it's an arrangement where he won't get paid until after he turns pro
C) The story is completely true, and Manziel (and his advisers) are monumentally stupid
D) The story is completely true, and for whatever reason he/they want him to be declared ineligible (towards what endgame I have no idea)

[MrBug708]

If he's deemed ineligible, this might slow Sumlin's rush to the NFL

[Matthean]

Even if he misses part of the season, 'Bama is game 3.

[dawgfan]

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Hubris. He thinks he is untouchable. He is in the SEC, so he is probably right.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Oil money IIRC

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

As the ESPN reporter who broke it was talking about, you see NFL players who make $15 million a year getting extra cash for signatures.