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Old 10-19-2012, 11:15 AM   #301
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I don't think anyone is giving up at this point. You could argue they've been incredibly unlucky to lose 3 games by a total of 4 points or whatever. I'd imagine their win expectation is probably more like 5, 4 at least based on score differential. Then we'd talking about how opportunistic their defense is.

However, it's also equally clear that Bill spends $ like 60/40 on offense/defense which results in the same theme playing out year after year, regardless of what specific step in the season.

On side note, Russell Wilson's most recent line now that his non-Patriots supported performance has returned.

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
R. Wilson 9/23 122 5.3 0 1 2-7 26.0 38.7

How many teams spend more on defense on offense? You're saying the Pats should? Who moves should they make to get there? They did had a very defensive-heavy draft.

And yes, San Francisco has a good defense, better than the Patriots for sure.

I was just responding to DT's post that he was "officially done believing this team can do anything" after a close loss in Seattle, which I thought was silly. He clarified that later, so I don't really have a point anymore. Except that the swing in the media was amusing - the Pats went from being among the league's elite again to people freaking out about the defense after a tough loss in Seattle where Tom Brady was pretty bad. Who are the teams with both great defenses and great offenses? The Pats aren't one of them, for sure, but I don't think there are any, and you certainly don't need both to be a contender in the NFL in 2012.

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Old 10-19-2012, 11:17 AM   #302
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How many teams spend more on defense on offense? You're saying the Pats should? Who moves should they make to get there? They did had a very defensive-heavy draft.

And yes, San Francisco has a good defense, better than the Patriots for sure.

I was just responding to DT's post that he was "officially done believing this team can do anything" after a tough loss in Seattle. He clarified that later, so I don't really have a point anymore. Except that the swing in the media was amusing - the Pats went from being among the league's elite again to people freaking out about the defense after a tough loss in Seattle where Tom Brady was pretty bad. Who are the teams with both great defenses and great offenses? The Pats aren't one of them, for sure, but I don't think there are any, and you certainly don't need both to be a contender in the NFL in 2012.

Yeah - everything changes week to week in the media. I guess personally I'm feeling like I'd trade one of the big contracts on offense for a half decent safety and CB.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:20 AM   #303
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Yeah - everything changes week to week in the media. I guess personally I'm feeling like I'd trade one of the big contracts on offense for a half decent safety and CB.

It just seems like so many teams are capable of giving up a ton of points. It's hard to get freaked out about giving up 24 points on the road when the best team in the AFC just gave up 42 at home. It seems like some Pats fans aren't following the rest of the league. You can't just sit back and try to hold leads anymore. Your offense isn't off the hook for the day once you go up 10. How many real difference makers are three on defense that would turn the entire Patriots defense around? And would that team give him up for one of your offensive lineman or wide receivers or something?

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Old 10-19-2012, 11:31 AM   #304
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It just seems like so many teams are capable of giving up a ton of points. It's hard to get freaked out about giving up 24 points on the road when the best team in the AFC just gave up 42 at home. It seems like some Pats fans aren't following the rest of the league. You can't just sit back and try to hold leads anymore. Your offense isn't off the hook for the day once you go up 10. How many real difference makers are three on defense that would turn the entire Patriots defense around? And would that team give him up for one of your offensive lineman or something?

Well there's Revis and Peterson at the corner. A few others. I don't actually think CB is the biggest weakness. McCourty and I-Dowling would probably be decent cover corners if they had an organizing force at safety.

Maybe Rolle or Wilson at safety? There's probably 4-5 that would be radical improvement. Safety is probably the bigger weakness for them ever since Harrison retired.
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