2012 NCAA Tournament Thread

[Grover]

UNC Ashville doesn't even get any lube for this.

[Scoobz0202]

Im speechless

[Matthean]

2nd round won't be so kind to Syracuse.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah, the foul should have been called IMO, but the possession decision was stunning in its fucked upness

[Easy Mac]

Is there a fix? No. Do the refs think Syracuse should be getting the benefit of the calls? Yes.

[bhlloy]

What a crock of shit

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Is there a fix? No. Do the refs think Syracuse should be getting the benefit of the calls? Yes.

Not much of a difference.

[Logan]

I'm not watching, but it comes as no surprise, and hasn't since at least Villanova-Robert Morris a couple years ago.

[Radii]

Well that was just thoroughly depressing.

[Ragone]

what conference these officials come from in this syracuse game?

This was the worst officiated end of a game i've ever seen

[sterlingice]

Yes, let's keep focusing in on the guys as the tears flow...

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Screw my bracket, I hope Syracuse gets absolutely destroyed in R2.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ragone

what conference these officials come from in this syracuse game?

This was the worst officiated end of a game i've ever seen

ACC? I almost said "I'm putting money on ACC" but then I think NC State and Wake (and more) fans would tell me it's not that far from the truth

SI

[Ragone]

Give Syracuse credit? for what? i haven't seen a game influenced by a ref like that since mutant league football's bribe ref play.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

2nd round won't be so kind to Syracuse.

Unless maybe we can bring these refs with us!

Whatever though, I've said it a million times here and I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that still feels this way. The refs blew some calls, Asheville took some bad shots and committed some turnovers, it's the same thing, everyone makes mistakes, it's all a part of the game. When it happens against a team I'm rooting for I don't take in personally either. I'll never understand why people get so upset about a missed call but not about an airball or a stupid pass.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Screw my bracket, I hope Syracuse gets absolutely destroyed in R2.

K-State has some bangers underneath but their best upset bets are against guard oriented teams that can't hang with their size. I think it's a bad matchup for them trying to pull an upset

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Was that Reggie Miller calling the game? He seemed to be pretty much calling for the refs head.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

it's hard being a cuse fan sometimes.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by molson

Unless maybe we can bring these refs with us!

Whatever though, I've said it a million times here and I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that still feels this way. The refs blew some calls, Asheville took some bad shots and committed some turnovers, it's the same thing, everyone makes mistakes, it's all a part of the game. When it happens against a team I'm rooting for I don't take in personally either.

There's a missed call... and then there's... this..

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I think it's a bad matchup for them trying to pull an upset

Sadly, I agree. But maybe karma will lend a heavy hand

[molson]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

There's a missed call... and then there's... this..

There's what, REALLY missed calls? I've seen 'em. And I've seen inexplicable decisions by players and coaches too. Watch enough sports and you'll see plenty of incompetence and stupidity from everyone involved.

[RainMaker]

I haven't seen anything like that in awhile. Made it way too obvious.

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I haven't seen anything like that in awhile. Made it way too obvious.

Made what obvious? That the game was rigged or something? Which individuals, exactly, do you think commit serious felonies like that, which require the assistance of other people, all to keep their mouths shut for the rest of their lives, for what - a perceived slight ratings increase in the next round? Would you even have a ratings increase?

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

ACC? I almost said "I'm putting money on ACC" but then I think NC State and Wake (and more) fans would tell me it's not that far from the truth

SI

My wife said it was pac-12 officials because and i quote "they haven't seen good basketball all year long"

[cmp]

Originally Posted by molson

Made what obvious? That the game was rigged or something? Which individuals, exactly, do you think commit serious felonies like that, which require the assistance of other people, all to keep their mouths shut for the rest of their lives, for what - a perceived slight ratings increase in the next round? Would you even have a ratings increase?

Doesn't mean it was rigged. Just means these refs had absolutely no business reffing this game. That goal-tending non call was just terrible, how can you not see that?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

Made what obvious? That the game was rigged or something? Which individuals, exactly, do you think commit serious felonies like that, which require the assistance of other people, all to keep their mouths shut for the rest of their lives, for what - a perceived slight ratings increase in the next round? Would you even have a ratings increase?

Whatever it was, it didn't look legit.

[bronconick]

Well, that's two wins Syracuse didn't earn this year. I guess that's an improvement over getting credit for shanking an extra point.

[Jas_lov]

Don't they have replay for those close calls late in the game? If it wasn't a foul then you look at the replay and see that it clearly went off Syracuse.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by molson

Unless maybe we can bring these refs with us!

Whatever though, I've said it a million times here and I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that still feels this way. The refs blew some calls, Asheville took some bad shots and committed some turnovers, it's the same thing, everyone makes mistakes, it's all a part of the game. When it happens against a team I'm rooting for I don't take in personally either. I'll never understand why people get so upset about a missed call but not about an airball or a stupid pass.

And it's going to be really annoying when Kansas gets all the calls against Detroit tomorrow for everyone who isn't a KU fan. But that doesn't make it right nor am I going to be arguing as such as a Jayhawk.

This is the argument that I swear we see every year about this time: "The refs make mistakes too, but it's Asheville's fault they lost". Syracuse didn't play a perfect game either. It's impossible to play a perfect game. So you can't make the argument "they should have played better". The ideal test and what we're here to gauge: "On this (non-neutral) site with neutral officials, who wins the game". And if the officials exert enough influence on the game to change that answer, then we were cheated out of the real winner of the game. End of story.

The question should legitimately be asked: was the officiating bad enough that it altered the binary outcome of the game. All things being equal, does UNC Asheville win this game? I think there's a compelling case to be made arguing "yes".

SI

[Scoobz0202]

"UNC Asheville just got screwed harder than a Syracuse ball boy."

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Whatever it was, it didn't look legit.

Who exactly orders what though? You said it was "obvious". What's obvious?

[cmp]

Originally Posted by molson

Unless maybe we can bring these refs with us!

Whatever though, I've said it a million times here and I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that still feels this way. The refs blew some calls, Asheville took some bad shots and committed some turnovers, it's the same thing, everyone makes mistakes, it's all a part of the game. When it happens against a team I'm rooting for I don't take in personally either. I'll never understand why people get so upset about a missed call but not about an airball or a stupid pass.

Yes, refs do make mistakes. And yes, that is a part of the game and we have to live with that. But, missing two blatantly obvious calls such as the out of bounds and the goaltending is terrible. If you cannot make those calls you should not be an official at this level.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Don't they have replay for those close calls late in the game? If it wasn't a foul then you look at the replay and see that it clearly went off Syracuse.

This is what I don't understand. If you can take 2-3 minutes in the middle of the game to review whether a totally innocuous foul was a flagrant like has happened a couple times today already, how can you not review those two calls at the end? Buzz the refs and lets get these big calls right.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ragone

My wife said it was pac-12 officials because and i quote "they haven't seen good basketball all year long"

If Colorado hadn't jumped conferences, would the Pac-10 be out of the tourney?

(I realize that's a more complicated question as I guess Arizona wins the Pac-10 tourney or maybe Washington makes it in with 1 less loss or whatnot)

SI

[TRO]

Originally Posted by molson

There's what, REALLY missed calls? I've seen 'em. And I've seen inexplicable decisions by players and coaches too. Watch enough sports and you'll see plenty of incompetence and stupidity from everyone involved.

Inexplicable decisions by players and coaches leads to them losing the game, so how is that relevant to horrible officiating?

Sure, they both happen, but that doesn't make it OK for officiating to be so bad and so one-sided.

[Chubby]

yet another thing for the team to rally around

[sterlingice]

New Mexico-Long Beach State the close game a lot of people were expecting. New Mexico keeps threatening to pull away but then LBSU will hit a big shot or go on a little run to get back in

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

I knew times were tougher for the WWE than in the glory days, but I'm surprised that their refs have had to take on side jobs to make ends meet.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm not watching, but it comes as no surprise, and hasn't since at least Villanova-Robert Morris a couple years ago.

Oh wow. I had forgotten that game until now. Scotty Reynolds, right?

SI

[Scoobz0202]

My Harvard in the Sweet 16 pick isn't looking too hot right now :|

[sterlingice]

And LBSU with the huge dunk for the 2 point lead with under 5 to go

SI

[bronconick]

Ed Corbett - College Basketball Referee

Here's your ref who can't see. Huh, most common conferences: ACC, Big East.

That explains it. He's already well trained to give 10/90 calls to the 10 if they're ranked higher.

[sterlingice]

Huge 3 to answer!

SI

[Scoobz0202]

What's the NCAA response going to be? Pull the ref's from the tournament or nothing will change?

[molson]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

The ideal test and what we're here to gauge: "On this (non-neutral) site with neutral officials, who wins the game". And if the officials exert enough influence on the game to change that answer, then we were cheated out of the real winner of the game. End of story.

The question should legitimately be asked: was the officiating bad enough that it altered the binary outcome of the game. All things being equal, does UNC Asheville win this game? I think there's a compelling case to be made arguing "yes".

SI

That's where I have a different view of sports and refs. I don't see refs as this necessary evil whose mistakes somehow impact the integrity of the game. I see them actually as part of the game. And the reality is, in basketball, refs can impact every close game, both with bad calls, and calls that could go either way. We remember the bad calls at the end of games, but every game has them at some point.

And this game had more glaring bad calls at the end than any I can remember, but it's never enough to just recognize how a team got big breaks. There's ANGER over it, and not just at the refs, but the team and its fans too. I stopped going into game day threads for a while for this reason. Even in normal circumstances, with just a regular bad call or two, the majority of it is just whining about so and so getting screwed. It's just a miserable way to follow sports, imo. There will be other terrible calls after today, and there will be terrible shots, passes, coaching moves, free agency signings, ect.

And I do think reffing is harder than it looks. You can have bad days and REALLY bad days. But I think the replacements would be worse.

Just my 2 cents, I know i'm in minority. hoping for more ref breaks in round 2!!

[sterlingice]

I've been fairly impressed with both New Mexico and LBSU. I think the winner has a good chance to knock off Louisville. This feels like the first game I've watched where it's been well played by both teams, for the most part.

SI

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

That's where I have a different view of sports and refs. I don't see refs as this necessary evil whose mistakes somehow impact the integrity of the game. I see them actually as part of the game. And the reality is, in basketball, refs can impact every close game, both with bad calls, and calls that could go either way. We remember the bad calls at the end of games, but every game has them at some point.

Refs are part of the game. And so are bad calls. It sucks when that goes against you. But you always hope that they are accidents or mistakes and not something more.

[sterlingice]

Haha! There was a great line that came across the bottom of the screen on the "Social Arena" on mmod for the Harvard/Vanderbilt game. It was something to the effect of "I disagree with the announcers. This game will have the most future millionaires in it"

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by molson

That's where I have a different view of sports and refs. I don't see refs as this necessary evil whose mistakes somehow impact the integrity of the game. I see them actually as part of the game. And the reality is, in basketball, refs can impact every close game, both with bad calls, and calls that could go either way. We remember the bad calls at the end of games, but every game has them at some point.

And this game had more glaring bad calls at the end than any I can remember, but it's never enough to just recognize how a team got big breaks. There's ANGER over it, and not just at the refs, but the team and its fans too. I stopped going into game day threads for a while for this reason. Even in normal circumstances, with just a regular bad call or two, the majority of it is just whining about so and so getting screwed. It's just a miserable way to follow sports, imo. There will be other terrible calls after today, and there will be terrible shots, passes, coaching moves, free agency signings, ect.

And I do think reffing is harder than it looks. You can have bad days and REALLY bad days. But I think the replacements would be worse.

Just my 2 cents, I know i'm in minority. hoping for more ref breaks in round 2!!

Really? "There will always be bad calls and everyone talking about them is a miserable whiner. kthxbye"

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[molson]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Really? "There will always be bad calls and everyone talking about them is a miserable whiner. kthxbye"

SI

Not what I said or meant, despite your quote marks.