Unofficial Official 2012-13 College Basketball Thread

[molson]

If the AD knew about the videos, than nothing has changed between now and the fall, and any new punishment is based strictly on the fact that they went public. I get that in a practical sense, but it looks bad. Still, better to admit your previous mistake in keeping him on than clinging to the mistake out of pride/fear of the consequences. It will be interesting to see how they publicly justify it. I'm sure the lawyers are working on that right now.

[dave731]

If the logic Pernetti was using in the suspension of Rice was to demonstrate and establish a pattern of behavior, would 2 years of practice video not suffice? Rice has to go and I'm not certain that Pernetti shouldn't follow now. Common sense is increasingly less common these days...

[Logan]

Rice has been fired. Here's the statement from the school and Pernetti:

Based upon recently revealed information and a review of previously discovered issues, Rutgers has terminated the contract of Mike Rice.

“I am responsible for the decision to attempt a rehabilitation of Coach Rice,” said Rutgers Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Tim Pernetti. “Dismissal and corrective action were debated in December and I thought it was in the best interest of everyone to rehabilitate, but I was wrong. Moving forward, I will work to regain the trust of the Rutgers community.”

That "recently revealed information" is 99% bullshit I'm sure. Rumor going around is that Murdock wanted a cool $1 million to "settle" his wrongful termination suit and not leak the tapes.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by Logan

That "recently revealed information" is 99% bullshit I'm sure. Rumor going around is that Murdock wanted a cool $1 million to "settle" his wrongful termination suit and not leak the tapes.

that makes sense

[Logan]

Statement from the President:

Rutgers University has a long and proud history as one of the nation’s most diverse and welcoming academic institutions. Coach Rice’s abusive language and actions are deeply offensive and egregiously violate the university’s core values.

When video excerpts of basketball practices were reviewed last fall by Athletic Director Tim Pernetti, he immediately notified me and sought the advice of internal and outside counsel. The university hired an independent investigator to look into this matter thoroughly. Based on the external investigator’s findings and recommendations, Tim and I agreed that Coach Rice should be suspended, penalized $75,000 in fines and lost salary, ordered to undergo anger management counseling, and put on notice that his behavior would be closely monitored. Tim Pernetti also made it clear to Coach Rice that there would be zero tolerance for additional infractions. Tim kept me fully apprised and I supported his actions.

Yesterday, I personally reviewed the video evidence, which shows a chronic and pervasive pattern of disturbing behavior. I have now reached the conclusion that Coach Rice cannot continue to serve effectively in a position that demands the highest levels of leadership, responsibility and public accountability. He cannot continue to coach at Rutgers University.

Therefore, Tim Pernetti and I have jointly decided to terminate Mike Rice’s employment at Rutgers.

Interesting to me in that, unless I'm reading into it too much, President Barchi seems to be saying that he never personally reviewed the video back in December, which wasn't how it went to my knowledge.

[Matthean]

Why indite yourself of wrong doing when you don't have to.

[molson]

I wonder what Eric Murdoch plans to do for the rest of his life. It definitely won't be coaching.

The video thing was maybe just the legal strategy from the start. The president could agree to the suspension but refrain from watching the video. That way, if things blew up in the media, he could watch it for the first time, which could count as "new information" that would warrant a firing even if Rice hadn't done anything wrong since the fall.

Edit: Why Mike Rice is worth all that is kind of a mystery, unless Pernetti thought his own job security was tied to Rice's success. Which would be kind of strange, considering the success of the football program and the Rutgers athletic programs generally.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

I wonder what Eric Murdoch plans to do for the rest of his life. It definitely won't be coaching.

The video thing was maybe just the legal strategy from the start. The president could agree to the suspension but refrain from watching the video. That way, if things blew up in the media, he could watch it for the first time, which could count as "new information" that would warrant a firing even if Rice hadn't done anything wrong since the fall.

I guess...but I fail to see how the video wasn't enough to get the school off from a legal standpoint anyway. And if Rice didn't take his firing quietly, wouldn't he have once he realized that the video would end up airing as part of any potential lawsuit response which would kill whatever chance he had of coaching again?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Logan

That "recently revealed information" is 99% bullshit I'm sure. Rumor going around is that Murdock wanted a cool $1 million to "settle" his wrongful termination suit and not leak the tapes.

Murdock is just as bad as the coach for his behavior and the AD for his ignorance. It suddenly becomes a morale issue after you get canned? If you were seeing this from day one then you report it in 2011, not wait until you have a falling out with the coach.

I saw in an interview that Murdock told the AD, but Rice was on his best behavior when the AD was in the gym.....Bullshit, show him the tapes and it is cut and dried, Rice is fired back in 2011.

The amazing thing is that after the Penn State debacle some of these idiots think that covering this up is protecting the school, when the damage is many times worse when it comes out later.....and it always comes out later.

[Logan]

Can always count on LSUFreek to bring levity to the situation:



The fragment of the SUNJ/Rutgers sign in the background is a nice touch.

[MrBug708]

UCLA hires former Memphis assistant and Wright State HC, Ed Schilling as assistant coach

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

idk. i half watched murdock's sc interview this morning. he def had a cat that ate the canary vibe.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

idk. i half watched murdock's sc interview this morning. he def had a cat that ate the canary vibe.

Exactly what I thought

[tucker342]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa up by 10 over Maryland with about 15 minutes to go.
Come on Hawks. Finish them.

I love the way Iowa has been playing lately. It has been so much fun to watch the growth of this team during this run and it's clear that they are overflowing with confidence right now. 11 wins in 14 games, 10 by at least 10 points. 4 games in the NIT, 4 double digit wins.

Oh and Marble has been absolutely fantastic during the NIT. If this is anywhere near what we can expect next year, sky is the limit for him and this team, IMO.

It's a lot of fun to be able to care about Iowa basketball again!

[INDalltheway]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

UCLA hires former Memphis assistant and Wright State HC, Ed Schilling as assistant coach

Was a 2A (out of 4) high school basketball coach in Indiana. He had quite a program going and coached IU's Yogi Ferrel, and a high major prospect that will be a senior, Trevon Bluiett. Me thinks UCLA will jump into his recruitment.

[mckerney]

Looks like Minnesota is close to hiring Rich Pitino to replace Tubby.

[Kodos]

WOWSERS!

Oh... Not THAT Pitino....

[molson]

I didn't know there was such a thing as a "Rich Pitino" but wikpedia currently says this:

"Then April 3rd, 2013 the Minnesota Gophers settle on this chump and hire him to be the head coach after Norwood Teague screwed up the hiring of Flip Saunders. This is going to be a train wreck"

[Ragone]

Rich pitino damn near took fla international
To NCAA tourney in first season... I'm glad
He's moving up in conferences.. Get him ready
To take over for Rick in 3 to 5 years

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Ragone

Rich pitino damn near took fla international
To NCAA tourney in first season... I'm glad
He's moving up in conferences.. Get him ready
To take over for Rick in 3 to 5 years

Can't say I really knew anything about him, but it looks like he took over a team that had gone 8-21 and had 3 scholarship players and went 18-12 and playing for the conference championship. Fairly impressive for his first season as a head coach.

[Abe Sargent]

Bye Rutgers!

[Young Drachma]

Report: Rhode Island coach Dan Hurley tops Rutgers*list | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter

Dan Hurley on the short list to replace Rice.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Logan

Statement from the President:



Interesting to me in that, unless I'm reading into it too much, President Barchi seems to be saying that he never personally reviewed the video back in December, which wasn't how it went to my knowledge.

Sounds like ass-covering - as-in, this whole reaction is because the tape got out, not because they think what he did was any worse.

[molson]

Is it too late for UCLA to get in on the Mike Rice sweepstakes?

[RainMaker]

http://shop.uoflsports.com/Louisvill...495479_PD.html

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

http://shop.uoflsports.com/Louisvill...495479_PD.html

I hate college sports.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by molson

I hate college sports.

I actually think that's really cool and a brilliant move in terms of a small revenue boost.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I actually think that's really cool and a brilliant move in terms of a small revenue boost.

Maybe somebody will drop dead in the next game and they can really make a killing. (though in that instance maybe the family could benefit because there'd be no more eligibility concerns for the player, being dead.)

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

Report: Rhode Island coach Dan Hurley tops Rutgers*list | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter

Dan Hurley on the short list to replace Rice.

If they hire a guy who won 8 games last year, I riot.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by General Mike

If they hire a guy who won 8 games last year, I riot.

They need to hire Howland. Though really, I don't think he'll be that great at RU. Hurley they probably figure will get his dad to send him recruits, but...that's a stretch.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

http://shop.uoflsports.com/Louisvill...495479_PD.html

HEY HE GETS A SCHOLARSHIP AND A WORLD CLASS [SIC] EDUCATION.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Looks like Minnesota is close to hiring Rich Pitino to replace Tubby.

> Flip Saunders > Steve Alford

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by tucker342

I love the way Iowa has been playing lately. It has been so much fun to watch the growth of this team during this run and it's clear that they are overflowing with confidence right now. 11 wins in 14 games, 10 by at least 10 points. 4 games in the NIT, 4 double digit wins.

Oh and Marble has been absolutely fantastic during the NIT. If this is anywhere near what we can expect next year, sky is the limit for him and this team, IMO.

It's a lot of fun to be able to care about Iowa basketball again!

I love the development of Woodbury. He is getting minutes at the end of games finally. The NIT has been very good for him. I do wish he would dunk the ball, though.

Big 11 point win over Maryland. Back to back wins over ACC opponnents by double digits.
I dont know much about Baylor. Going to find out Thursday night at 8 CST for the NIT championship.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by molson

Is it too late for UCLA to get in on the Mike Rice sweepstakes?

???

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

They need to hire Howland. Though really, I don't think he'll be that great at RU. Hurley they probably figure will get his dad to send him recruits, but...that's a stretch.

I'm all for Howland. Even Dunphy would be ok despite his age. Paying 800K a year again for another coach isn't going to cut it in the Big Ten tho.

[tarcone]

Alford taking a beating. This time from the LA Times.

LA Times

[Marmel]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Alford taking a beating. This time from the LA Times.

LA Times

Wow, that Simers guy is a 1st class dick, huh?

[britrock88]

Watched clips of Rice's impromptu press conference -- I appreciate the emotion, and see total sincerity in it. I'll be rooting for him going forward.

[Jon]

That's one of my concerns about the whole Mike Rice thing--- he's been contrite about this since December and has been doing everything asked of him. He's being punished twice for the same thing--- the tape was known about in December and was mentioned in an Andy Katz blog about the suspension at the time. He was getting better on the sideline.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

and it's a compilation from 3 years worth of video. it's not like he was doing it every practice.

i defy anyone to hang around a bunch of teenagers 3-4 hours a day/7 days a week and not want to throw something at them

[Logan]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

and it's a compilation from 3 years worth of video. it's not like he was doing it every practice.

i defy anyone to hang around a bunch of teenagers 3-4 hours a day/7 days a week and not want to throw something at them

Just a clarification, it was actually from 2 years of video...Pernetti estimated that 60% of it was from his first year.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

ah, i see. either way 'physically abusive' in a coaching context is a grey area. 'verbally abusive' is a joke.

this is from boeheim who is probably the furthest thing in coaching from a tyrant

You can't say -- when somebody is not doing what you really need them to do -- you can't say, 'please can you do this.'" That doesn't work. It doesn't work. You have to get verbal. You have to get intense..."

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

ah, i see. either way 'physically abusive' in a coaching context is a grey area. 'verbally abusive' is a joke.

this is from boeheim who is probably the furthest thing in coaching from a tyrant

There's a huge difference between yelling, "You have to fucking hustle, " and "You're a fucking faggot".

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

that's a debate about context and obscenity.

[JPhillips]

You can be tough an a disciplinarian without directly insults towards the players. That's the difference between the two examples. There is no good excuse for belittling the players with slurs directed at them.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Wow, that Simers guy is a 1st class dick, huh?

Yup!

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You can be tough an a disciplinarian without directly insults towards the players. That's the difference between the two examples. There is no good excuse for belittling the players with slurs directed at them.

i disagree but i'm obviously in the minority. i didn't see anything malicious. as for the 'slurs' it's a closed practice. i can see why you'd want to use the strongest language possible. assuming everyone there is hetero then 'offensive' is a matter of opinion.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Watched clips of Rice's impromptu press conference -- I appreciate the emotion, and see total sincerity in it. I'll be rooting for him going forward.

I appreciated the emotion too and noted the sincerity, compared to a "I'm sorry if you were sorry," apology.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i disagree but i'm obviously in the minority. i didn't see anything malicious. as for the 'slurs' it's a closed practice. i can see why you'd want to use the strongest language possible. assuming everyone there is hetero then 'offensive' is a matter of opinion.

It's a shame we still see this kind of statement in our society.

[JPhillips]

You're a fucking cunt or you're a fucking faggot doesn't motivate, it simply belittles. There's no teaching or correcting in those statements.