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06-04-2020, 12:20 AM | #3852 |
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Most just out of voyeuristic curiosity, I wonder what Amash does after the election going forward. Clearly he's not coasting to the end of his time in Congress.
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06-04-2020, 01:30 AM | #3853 | |
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06-04-2020, 03:31 AM | #3854 |
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I was going to try a pithy joke like "Ok, once may not be an issue, but reviewed 79 times? Maybe policing is not the job for you"
But then the rage hit me how this cop still has a job despite having an internal review for using force SEVENTY NINE TIMES over three and a half years (or on average, once every two weeks). https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1268351179916001280
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06-04-2020, 06:56 AM | #3855 | ||
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No private army (or at least not as pervasive as some would claim) per CNN. Good thing there is additional context, fact-checking to the twitter feeds. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...-dc/index.html Quote:
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06-04-2020, 07:00 AM | #3856 | |
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I believe there are many repeat offenders and they are the majority of the problem. I assume police go through psych profiles or evaluation and wonder how they "pass". Not sure where the cut-off is but yeah, 79 times is definitely where his continued employment should be signed-off at the highest level (just in-case there truly were extenuating circumstances). |
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06-04-2020, 08:28 AM | #3857 |
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The below is additional footage to the officer reviewed 79 times.
It shows a female officer confronting him. I'm not sure what she said but it does look in reaction to the male cop pushing the protester. Hopefully more cops/partners feel compelled to openly check other cops. I can see where this will cause disruption in the police forces across the country and cause major internal "drama". But small price to pay if it reduces these issues (and gets rid of the bad ones). |
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06-04-2020, 11:41 AM | #3859 |
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Indianapolis. Good apples must have had the day off.
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06-04-2020, 12:40 PM | #3860 | |
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06-04-2020, 12:47 PM | #3861 | |
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06-04-2020, 12:55 PM | #3862 |
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That was awful. Treating two unarmed women that way is just brutal.
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06-04-2020, 01:01 PM | #3863 |
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That's going to cost Indianapolis taxpayers a good chunk of change.
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06-04-2020, 01:02 PM | #3864 |
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Now that all four have been arrested in charged, I'm wondering what people think of the Floyd case itself. Upgrading the top count on Chauvin to 2nd-degree murder is understandable but risky IMO. I can see him acquitted on that, convicted on the manslaughter, Lane at least being acquitted of aiding & abetting though I'm not sure on the other two ... and I think very bad things happens if that occurs.
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06-04-2020, 01:08 PM | #3865 |
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"Cops Groped Her"?
Nice sensationalist caption. Grope as in a free boob squeeze, nah. Grope as in trying reposition his hands as she was struggling and broke free, yeah I can see that. I would like to understand what preceded before the film started (e.g. who knows, did she try to assault a cop or another person). So I'll wait until we get more reporting or context on this before making a premature judgement. |
06-04-2020, 01:17 PM | #3866 | |
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I see it as the cop grabbing her boob then she struggles. Perspective, I guess.
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06-04-2020, 01:21 PM | #3867 | |
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The 1st guy was charged with 2nd degree murder, 3rd gegree murder, and 2nd degree manslaughter. I think they are covering their bases. The fact that they said they should turn him to his side and the guy on his neck said no, might get them the 2nd degree murder. I think it would send a very powerful message to the police if they get the other 3 on aiding and abetting. Don't stand by while one of your own kills someone.
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06-04-2020, 01:29 PM | #3868 |
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06-04-2020, 01:33 PM | #3869 |
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What happens if it is determined that the drugs in Floyd's system are what killed him? I am not an expert on the matter, but those are some pretty nasty drugs and a bad combination.
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06-04-2020, 01:35 PM | #3870 | |
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Why? You trying to justify the savage beating by multiple cops of a restrained and unarmed woman ? Why is it you’re always in the wrong side of these things ? |
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06-04-2020, 01:36 PM | #3871 |
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06-04-2020, 01:41 PM | #3872 | |
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06-04-2020, 01:42 PM | #3873 | |
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This clip and the one above where they shoot into the car just baffle me. There were 10 cops around. Two of them couldn't just grab her and put her in handcuffs? And then they push the other girl down hard for no reason. And the one where they shoot into the car at the pregnant woman, why not just go over and talk to the guy and apologize? Police are supposed to protect the public. |
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06-04-2020, 01:43 PM | #3874 | |
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If the sensationalist headline is wrong and exaggerated, then I would question the rest of it. On one extreme, if she and her friend were just walking and not doing anything wrong then this is clearly excessive force and all those cops should be fired/reprimanded. On the other extreme, if her supposedly groped friend had tried to assault a cop or another civilian, and she did try to break away, then I don't see an issue with what happened. So, lets understand what preceded this and get the context before calling these cops "bad apples". |
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06-04-2020, 01:45 PM | #3875 |
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06-04-2020, 01:45 PM | #3876 | |
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This. Events prior to that might possibly play a small mitigating factor, but that kind of violence against an unarmed citizen simply can't be ok. Ever. Last edited by Brian Swartz : 06-04-2020 at 01:45 PM. |
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06-04-2020, 01:47 PM | #3877 | |
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I agree with you. That would not justify what I saw. Are there levels of assault of a cop where you would think it was justified? (I'm not saying she did it, I'm tossing out a hypothetical to understand if there is anything she/friend could have done that, in your opinion, would have justified what we saw on the feed). Last edited by Edward64 : 06-04-2020 at 01:49 PM. |
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06-04-2020, 01:48 PM | #3878 |
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First, it's pretty clear the woman that gets shoved down is because she was saying stop - not exactly a violent attack on police. Second, even if the other woman was resisting, do you think 7 nightstick hits by two cops is a little excessive for an unarmed woman who weights maybe 130 soaking wet?
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06-04-2020, 01:50 PM | #3879 |
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My answer is no. Unarmed and in handcuffs. I don't care if she just shot three police officers five minutes prior, it's still criminal behavior. I think the appropriate punishment for the cops depends on what provocation (if any) there was. Some is needed though no matter what.
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06-04-2020, 01:53 PM | #3880 |
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Force as punishment should never be accepted from police officers. That's not their role in the justice system.
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06-04-2020, 01:56 PM | #3881 | |
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She was unarmed but she was not in handcuff. We are in the realm of whatabouts and having experienced the other side of it I don't want to be the instigator this time around. I'd just say there reasons where I'd find the actions the cops took as reasonable to restrain a person. Again, I would like to know what preceded this event before saying the cops are "bad apples". |
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06-04-2020, 02:01 PM | #3882 | |
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You are right re: her friend. I saw a cop nudge her away from getting closer (that's okay) and then another cop pushing her hard and she fell. That does seem excessive to me but does NOT mean he's a bad cop. Re: the "groped woman", I'd ask you again: Are there levels of assault of a cop where you would think it was justified? |
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06-04-2020, 02:05 PM | #3883 |
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BTW re: groping.
Honest request, can you guys take a look at the film again and confirm (1) groping took place before she struggled to break free or (2) inadvertent groping happened as she struggled to break free. I'm not trying to rationalize the rest of it, but just wanted to know if my eyes are deceiving me. |
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Even if it was inadvertent, isn't the right response to apologize and move on from there?
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06-04-2020, 02:06 PM | #3885 |
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This is funny. Poor NG troops don't know how to respond.
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06-04-2020, 02:12 PM | #3886 | |
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Uh no? If it was inadvertent, that means she was struggling to get free (resisting arrest maybe?) before he accidentally groped her. Why would he apologize when she was trying to break free? I ask you as I've asked Brian and Arles - Is there any level of assault to a cop (or civilian) that would justify the cops' response when she broke free from his restraint? |
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06-04-2020, 02:18 PM | #3888 | |
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Absolutely not. Force as punishment should never be accepted. He should apologize because he's human and he violated her whether or not it was intentional. He should also apologize because it would be much more likely to de-escalate what could have become a dangerous situation.
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06-04-2020, 02:23 PM | #3889 |
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06-04-2020, 02:25 PM | #3890 |
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I'm not saying it was right to break the terms of the Munich Agreement, but we don't know what Czechoslovakia did to provoke the situation. We know they weren't happy with the cessation of the Sudetenland. Who knows what they might have done to provoke the invasion?
Let's discuss this. Is there any action by Czechoslovakia that would've made it okay for Germany to violate the Munich Agreement?
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06-04-2020, 02:29 PM | #3891 | |
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You are correct. She wasn't in handcuffs. She was however literally just standing there. When someone is just standing there, not trying to run away, not trying to do any aggressive action whatsoever, you hit them with the batons and they still just stand there ... No. There's no reason to keep hitting them. Doesn't matter what happened before. It's blatantly obvious they don't need force to restrain somewhere who, again, is literally just standing there. |
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06-04-2020, 02:30 PM | #3892 | |
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I appreciate you (and others) having a civil conversation with me (vs you know the other time). So I'll end this by saying I can easily see these cops overreacting and at fault. I can also see situations where cops are justified in this response and ... its dependent on the context of what happened before the film started, why they restrained or arrested her. I googled on "Indianapolis police brutality" and sorted by date. I don't see anything reported yet (by non-Twitter). I've got this noted and will do periodic searches and if you have an update, I would appreciate it. Last edited by Edward64 : 06-04-2020 at 02:37 PM. |
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06-04-2020, 02:36 PM | #3893 | |
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I'm not being facetious when I say this is an interesting thought exercise. I like history but I don't really want to read all that other stuff right now. Can you come up with something more contemporary and let's have a conversation? Let's say from 1990's onwards? |
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06-04-2020, 02:53 PM | #3894 |
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One easy rule not mentioned the other day is immediate termination for any cop who covers their badge name/number or body camera. I would also add that proudly displaying your association with an extremist group that marched in Charlottesville might be someone you don't want on your force.
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06-04-2020, 02:59 PM | #3895 |
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Also on the same topic of cops being part of groups like that, I think IA departments should focus more on that stuff. Was a good report a year ago about how many police were party of white supremacist and other bigoted groups online.
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06-04-2020, 03:39 PM | #3896 | |
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My perspective. I was able to stop at one second. That is when the hand is moving up towards her breast or on it. It looks like she is reacting., Again, that is how I see it. So I go with #1.
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06-04-2020, 03:42 PM | #3897 | |
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06-04-2020, 03:45 PM | #3898 | |
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Some Iowa football players were taken into custody today for leaving a suspected drug house. They have lived there the entire school year. The police had them at gun point and broke a car door handle, then brought in the K-9 unit. After the situation the cops said "“if I knew you guys were Hawkeyes, we wouldn’t have done this”.
Go Iowa City cops.
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