The 2015 NFL Draft - Page 8

Izulde · 05-02-2015, 06:26 PM

Jay Ajayi could end up one of the biggest steals of the draft IMO. And if he doesn't pan out, Miami only spent a 5th rounder on him.

CU Tiger · 05-02-2015, 06:26 PM

Don't forget Big G is the son of Jesse Tuggle and nephew of Ray Lewis. Something tells me need get his clothes replaced either way.

What hurts is that was his "trophy" room. He lost 3 game balls, several team awards and any memorabilia he had, that's what he will miss.

CU Tiger · 05-02-2015, 06:27 PM

Worth a read given the circumstances
Letter to the Editor from Grady Jarrett | The Tiger News

sabotai · 05-02-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Yeah pretty happy with things so far. Flowers & Collins are instantly starting for us and the last guy Odighizuwa is real similar to Osi when he came out (not just because nobody can pronounce their names). Excellent athlete with non-stop motor that needs work on his technique and could be a much better Pro than college player.

Agreed with this. They got 3 really good prospects at 3 positions that they needed. Can't really ask for more than that. Hopefully they pan out. If so, the Giants should be much better this year.

Chief Rum · 05-02-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Gotta feel for Brett Hundley, but the reality is is that he can't throw consistently further than 15 yards

Disagree. Arm strength isn't the issue. He can make all the throws. It's the speed of decision making he needs to work on.

Izulde · 05-02-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Worth a read given the circumstances
Letter to the Editor from Grady Jarrett | The Tiger News

Oh, you mean how he either plagiarized or was plagiarized by a Michigan State player?

http://i.imgur.com/ucbli6f.png

CU Tiger · 05-02-2015, 10:16 PM

Interesting!
Question what is the prgram/site that is doing the check there?

CU Tiger · 05-02-2015, 10:30 PM

n/m just went back and looked at the comments from the site I linked.

Izulde · 05-02-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Interesting!
Question what is the prgram/site that is doing the check there?

Yeah, TurnItIn is what a lot of campuses use to check for plagiarism for those instructors who use online submissions. I've caught a couple students over the years because of it.

Dutch · 05-03-2015, 01:44 AM

Football Students...

stevew · 05-03-2015, 05:23 PM

Zach Stacy for a 7th round pick seems like a reasonable gamble for the Jets

BillJasper · 05-04-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Zach Stacy for a 7th round pick seems like a reasonable gamble for the Jets

I think that's a great deal for the Jets. I still don't understand the Rams thinking in taking a RB with an ACL injury 10th?

claphamsa · 05-04-2015, 12:12 PM

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

albionmoonlight · 05-04-2015, 12:26 PM

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

BillJasper · 05-04-2015, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Probably too hard to start from scratch at the beginning of February.

BillJasper · 05-04-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

Does seem odd to ditch Stacy before you know whether or not Gurley is going to be ready for training camp.

stevew · 05-04-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Wouldn't want them to go rogue I guess.

Logan · 05-04-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Don't worry. The head guy fired, Brendan Prophett, saw it coming.

Chief Rum · 05-04-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Don't worry. The head guy fired, Brendan Prophett, saw it coming.

:rimshot

HomerSimpson98 · 05-04-2015, 02:14 PM

Jacksonville getting FSU WR Rashad Greene in the 5th round was a steal, IMO

Honolulu_Blue · 05-04-2015, 02:30 PM

The Lions drafting a fullback in the 5th round was not a steal, IMO

MizzouRah · 05-04-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

With Tre Mason and Cunningham I guess they didn't feel like hearing him moan during training camp.

miked · 05-04-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Lions drafting a fullback in the 5th round was not a steal, IMO

He's from Rutgers, it was definitely a steal.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-04-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

He's from Rutgers, it was definitely a steal.

I am holding you to this, miked.

Dutch · 05-05-2015, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

With Tre Mason and Cunningham I guess they didn't feel like hearing him moan during training camp.

I figured they were going to up the carry load for Mason...he seems like a pretty good NFL caliber RB.

NobodyHere · 05-05-2015, 01:23 AM

La'el Collins meeting with Bills coach Rex Ryan - NFL.com

Rex Ryan works pretty fast.

I wouldn't mind the Colts trying to grab Collins to shore up the right tackle position.

stevew · 05-05-2015, 03:31 AM

It just seems like typical cop behavior to tell a dude that he's not a suspect even though he's probably the most likely suspect given circumstances.

Anyways even if innocent, which seems probable, the whole situation is poor and another Roger debacle. Kid was slated to get something like a 4-8M signing bonus for going in the first. Now he gets league minimum for 2 years plus (maybe) his unborn kid was murdered AND competitive balance wise someone is getting a free first round pick for nothing. I'd imagine he's also in the hole several hundred grand to his agent based on probable line of pre-draft credit. If he tears a knee his future is screwed.

Plus there's gotta be an implicit promise that he'll be fairly compensated in 2 years which I'd assume violates the cap.

All Roger has done is make up rules on the fly, it should continue

Dutch · 05-05-2015, 08:24 AM

I find it difficult to blame Roger in this one.

albionmoonlight · 05-05-2015, 08:38 AM

The alternative would have been to allow him to enter the supplemental draft. Which might have been the best case for him, but it would have opened up a huge can of worms. The owners (and the fans) love the draft as a way to distribute incoming talent. Roger is protecting the owners's interest by not starting to chip away at the draft as the one and only way that high-level talent enters the league. If Collins gets this exception this year, how many guys petition for it next year?

The only thing that seems strange to me is that, out of 32 teams, none of them decided to take a 7th round flyer on him and figure that they would have the whole offseason to try and convince him to sign. I wonder if Collins is much closer to being a suspect than we realize and NFL security let that be leaked to the teams.

QuikSand · 05-05-2015, 08:43 AM

So, there's nothing really keeping an NFL team from ringing up La'el Collins and offering him, say, the contract they'd have in mind for a 3rd round draft pick (complete with signing bonus, etc), right? Given the unusual situation, I'm a little surprised that someone like the Saints haven't given this some thought.

albionmoonlight · 05-05-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

So, there's nothing really keeping an NFL team from ringing up La'el Collins and offering him, say, the contract they'd have in mind for a 3rd round draft pick (complete with signing bonus, etc), right? Given the unusual situation, I'm a little surprised that someone like the Saints haven't given this some thought.

According to the obsessives on the Saints's boards, teams are limited in their UDFA budget. I don't have a cite to the CBA or anything, but the common thinking is that every team can pretty much offer him the "max" UDFA contract, which is not much different than the "min" UDFA contract.

Logan · 05-05-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The only thing that seems strange to me is that, out of 32 teams, none of them decided to take a 7th round flyer on him and figure that they would have the whole offseason to try and convince him to sign. I wonder if Collins is much closer to being a suspect than we realize and NFL security let that be leaked to the teams.

I think there's two pieces to it: you have his agent saying he's not signing if he's not a 3rd round pick, so what are the chances he actually does eventually sign at a 7th round salary? And...if you draft him, your team is connected to him throughout this entire process.

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

According to the obsessives on the Saints's boards, teams are limited in their UDFA budget. I don't have a cite to the CBA or anything, but the common thinking is that every team can pretty much offer him the "max" UDFA contract, which is not much different than the "min" UDFA contract.

The max signing bonus teams can offer to all of their UDFAs combined is something like $75K. So no, they couldn't do what Quik is suggesting.

QuikSand · 05-05-2015, 10:56 AM

Got it, thanks. I guess that is set to cut off the "I won't sign if drafted" ploy to become a truly unrestricted free agent. Ahh, FOF, we hardly knew ye.

Logan · 05-05-2015, 12:27 PM

This stuff sucks.

Seattle Seahawks Show You Get What You Look For In Regard to Frank Clark’s Domestic Violence History | The Big Lead

MizzouRah · 05-05-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

I figured they were going to up the carry load for Mason...he seems like a pretty good NFL caliber RB.

I think that's the plan, especially early on this upcoming season.

miami_fan · 05-05-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This stuff sucks.

Seattle Seahawks Show You Get What You Look For In Regard to Frank Clark’s Domestic Violence History | The Big Lead

The criminal that you know is better than the unknown.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-05-2015, 09:58 PM

The max for all UDFA for one team is 80k... I only know this because I was reading an article that the Cowboys have guaranteed George Farmer from USC 55k which is highly unusual. Usually, the guaranteed deals are about 4-8k.

NobodyHere · 05-07-2015, 02:10 PM

La'el Collins to the Cowboys. Jerry Jones must be smiling.

bulletsponge · 05-07-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

La'el Collins to the Cowboys. Jerry Jones must be smiling.

thats settles it, hes guilty

Kodos · 05-07-2015, 03:14 PM

There's a real shocker.

albionmoonlight · 05-07-2015, 03:15 PM

For the last week, the Saints Message boards have been talking about how this poor guy got reamed by the system and he's misunderstood and he just needs a chance and he should stay close to home and play guard for the Saints.

It will be fun to go there now and see everyone convinced that he killed his girlfriend and is a horrible person.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-07-2015, 03:38 PM

There was quite an uproar on some Lions' sites about the Lions not being aggressive enough in getting him.

Hopefully, their anger will be assuaged by the not one, but TWO, articles pumping the tires of UDFA running back Zach Zenner out of South Dakota State.

Diamond in the rough! He had the 7th highest pSPARQ out of 160 out of 160 draft eligible running backs this year. OMG! AMAZING!

05-02-2015, 06:26 PM	#351
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05-04-2015, 02:30 PM	#371
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	The Lions drafting a fullback in the 5th round was not a steal, IMO __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

05-05-2015, 01:23 AM	#376
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	La'el Collins meeting with Bills coach Rex Ryan - NFL.com Rex Ryan works pretty fast. I wouldn't mind the Colts trying to grab Collins to shore up the right tackle position. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney" Last edited by NobodyHere : 05-05-2015 at 10:17 AM.

05-05-2015, 09:58 PM	#387
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	The max for all UDFA for one team is 80k... I only know this because I was reading an article that the Cowboys have guaranteed George Farmer from USC 55k which is highly unusual. Usually, the guaranteed deals are about 4-8k. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

05-02-2015, 06:26 PM	#352
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Don't forget Big G is the son of Jesse Tuggle and nephew of Ray Lewis. Something tells me need get his clothes replaced either way. What hurts is that was his "trophy" room. He lost 3 game balls, several team awards and any memorabilia he had, that's what he will miss.

05-02-2015, 06:27 PM	#353
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Worth a read given the circumstances Letter to the Editor from Grady Jarrett \| The Tiger News

05-02-2015, 10:16 PM	#357
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Interesting! Question what is the prgram/site that is doing the check there?

05-02-2015, 10:30 PM	#358
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	n/m just went back and looked at the comments from the site I linked.

05-03-2015, 01:44 AM	#360
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Football Students...

05-03-2015, 05:23 PM	#361
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Zach Stacy for a 7th round pick seems like a reasonable gamble for the Jets

05-04-2015, 12:26 PM	#364
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August? Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder. Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

05-04-2015, 02:14 PM	#370
HomerSimpson98 High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cowtown, TX	Jacksonville getting FSU WR Rashad Greene in the 5th round was a steal, IMO

05-05-2015, 03:31 AM	#377
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	It just seems like typical cop behavior to tell a dude that he's not a suspect even though he's probably the most likely suspect given circumstances. Anyways even if innocent, which seems probable, the whole situation is poor and another Roger debacle. Kid was slated to get something like a 4-8M signing bonus for going in the first. Now he gets league minimum for 2 years plus (maybe) his unborn kid was murdered AND competitive balance wise someone is getting a free first round pick for nothing. I'd imagine he's also in the hole several hundred grand to his agent based on probable line of pre-draft credit. If he tears a knee his future is screwed. Plus there's gotta be an implicit promise that he'll be fairly compensated in 2 years which I'd assume violates the cap. All Roger has done is make up rules on the fly, it should continue

05-05-2015, 08:24 AM	#378
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I find it difficult to blame Roger in this one.

05-05-2015, 08:38 AM	#379
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The alternative would have been to allow him to enter the supplemental draft. Which might have been the best case for him, but it would have opened up a huge can of worms. The owners (and the fans) love the draft as a way to distribute incoming talent. Roger is protecting the owners's interest by not starting to chip away at the draft as the one and only way that high-level talent enters the league. If Collins gets this exception this year, how many guys petition for it next year? The only thing that seems strange to me is that, out of 32 teams, none of them decided to take a 7th round flyer on him and figure that they would have the whole offseason to try and convince him to sign. I wonder if Collins is much closer to being a suspect than we realize and NFL security let that be leaked to the teams.

05-05-2015, 08:43 AM	#380
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	So, there's nothing really keeping an NFL team from ringing up La'el Collins and offering him, say, the contract they'd have in mind for a 3rd round draft pick (complete with signing bonus, etc), right? Given the unusual situation, I'm a little surprised that someone like the Saints haven't given this some thought.

05-05-2015, 10:56 AM	#383
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Got it, thanks. I guess that is set to cut off the "I won't sign if drafted" ploy to become a truly unrestricted free agent. Ahh, FOF, we hardly knew ye.

05-05-2015, 12:27 PM	#384
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	This stuff sucks. Seattle Seahawks Show You Get What You Look For In Regard to Frank Clark’s Domestic Violence History \| The Big Lead

05-07-2015, 02:10 PM	#388
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	La'el Collins to the Cowboys. Jerry Jones must be smiling. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

05-07-2015, 03:14 PM	#390
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	There's a real shocker. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

05-07-2015, 03:15 PM	#391
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	For the last week, the Saints Message boards have been talking about how this poor guy got reamed by the system and he's misunderstood and he just needs a chance and he should stay close to home and play guard for the Saints. It will be fun to go there now and see everyone convinced that he killed his girlfriend and is a horrible person.

05-07-2015, 03:38 PM	#392
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	There was quite an uproar on some Lions' sites about the Lions not being aggressive enough in getting him. Hopefully, their anger will be assuaged by the not one, but TWO, articles pumping the tires of UDFA running back Zach Zenner out of South Dakota State. Diamond in the rough! He had the 7th highest pSPARQ out of 160 out of 160 draft eligible running backs this year. OMG! AMAZING! __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

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