WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win! - Page 8

Hannibal Lecter · 01-09-2009, 11:01 AM

Even with the insinuations we have now... I dont feel too abd about my switch, why not take the chance to learn something?

jeff061 · 01-09-2009, 11:04 AM

What have we learned.

jeheinz72 · 01-09-2009, 11:04 AM

Really? C'mon now. I mean it's one thing to fall for that reveal. It's another to defend it.

An hour left to deadline? Set to get lynched as a wolf? Why wouldn't he pull out any stop imaginable.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Just the traitor role. The only other explanation for this is the wolves didn't send in a kill, that's very unlikely.

I suppose it could happen on D1 with a simultaneous day/night deadline, but I think the percentages back your original line of thinking.

Danny · 01-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

The bolding and the parends are mine.

The bolds are the votes I find the most suspicious. Which in a way is funny, since Danny has two of them. Of course, we'll know if Danny is on the level once EF is lynched (more or less), so I'm taking those more as him protecting his roomate than protecting a wolf of course (see, hence why heinzy no protecty someone he knows nothing about).

That leaves Telle's vote. Tough to say really how suspicious that one is. I mean I can see not wanting to make it 5-2-2 in order to keep discussion alive and the vote relevnt

Hannibal's vote was a terrible idea. I mean besides the horrid decision to trust a transparent seer reveal, it's a tough vote to swallow. I lean misguided villager moreso than wolf on it though. You'd have to be an awfully ballsy wolf to make such a blatant save such as that.

Also, keep in mind that EF did confirm that I was the BG, so in the unlikely event he is good, I should still be cleared. But yes, my votes were suspicious

Hannibal Lecter · 01-09-2009, 11:05 AM

and if he really was the seer? dont forget there was no actual evidence, ill give someone the benefit of the doubt, either he is the seer and its a good move, or hes not and hes dead in 2 days. it looks like i was wrong... but its a worthwhile risk

jeff061 · 01-09-2009, 11:06 AM

Well we learned Danny is the BG. Which doesn't exactly help us and accomplishes the same thing we could have yesterday, wuthout the BG reveal.

Danny · 01-09-2009, 11:10 AM

I am curious though having never been guarded by the BG, is it normal that the person being guarded would know who guarded them?

jeheinz72 · 01-09-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Also, keep in mind that EF did confirm that I was the BG, so in the unlikely event he is good, I should still be cleared. But yes, my votes were suspicious

Yeah, I really don't doubt your reveal or you in general whatsoever, but thought it was only fair to point out.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I am curious though having never been guarded by the BG, is it normal that the person being guarded would know who guarded them?

I believe that it is pretty rare to know that you were guarded.

Grammaticus · 01-09-2009, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

WTF? So now we target the seer and the BG outs himself? Hell, if the village is going to be that stupid we deservce to lose. No attack against me makes sense if they thought I was being guarded. For all we know they found the convert or got screwed up by the deadline confusion (there were more that one person thinking it was a 10 PM EST deadline, read the posts).

I don't think I've ever seen a game played this poorly by the village.

If I was a wolf why would I reveal as seer and then perform a night attack to put myself at risk of being found? I was the one who revealed and was on prior to the deadline so the "maybe the orders were issued early" doesn't hold any water. So basically by the end of day 2 we are going to have a lynched seer, an outed BG and the possibility of a converted janitor already. Talk about playing from behind the 8 ball.

If you are a wolf, the village play is not so weak. On the question of “If I was a wolf why would I…?”. You would make the fake reveal because you were about to be lynched. I can see you being chosen for the night action in order to not risk another wolf. In a lot of game mechanics, the person being guarded does not always stop them from performing a night action. I’m not sure how most of the recent games have been played in regards to this factor.

In the end it just seems like the best course to take for the village.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 11:21 AM

If the seer has not already scanned Jackal, I would love for this to happen soon so we can start forming a strong COT from the Day 1 vote.

I think that would also help with evaluating some of the questionable votes ... they are not that questionable if we hit jackpot and had two wolves lined up against each other.

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 11:29 AM

I'm leaving for school in a few minutes.

I'll be back on around 3:30 EST, if the general sentiment by then is nightfall I will run the deadline at 4:00EST.

If anyone who has a night action could get it into me by then that would be great, if not I will wait to run the night phase until I have all the night actions.

If anyone has a problem with this PM me and I'll continue with the normal deadline and not mention who had the issue.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-09-2009, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

He did PM me that I was scanned and that he knew I was watching over him last night and must be the BG.

This part bothers me. How did EF know Danny was the BG? Did he pick up on a hint Danny left? If so, why didn't the wolves go after Danny last night?

Danny · 01-09-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

This part bothers me. How did EF know Danny was the BG? Did he pick up on a hint Danny left? If so, why didn't the wolves go after Danny last night?

He knew after the night phase. He saw me watching him all night and the PMed me saying that he scanned me as good and saw me watching him, so that I must be the BG.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 12:37 PM

Based on the lack of activity in the thread today, relative to yesteday:

VOTE NIGHTFALL

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 12:38 PM

I would be OK seeing this one play out to the bitter end if the parties involved were really going after each other. But that does not seem to be the case. Therefore, I would prefer to move ahead a day and see where we are at in the process at the start of D3.

Telle · 01-09-2009, 12:49 PM

Yet to vote: RPI Fan, The Jackal, Jonathan Ezerik.

Everyone else is voting for EagleFan (11 votes), except EagleFan who is voting for jeheinze.

DaddyTorgo · 01-09-2009, 12:51 PM

lol - definition of pigpile

The Jackal · 01-09-2009, 01:08 PM

VOTE EF

VOTE NIGHTFALL

seems pretty straightforward

jeff061 · 01-09-2009, 01:10 PM

Like Hoops said, I was going to delay in case of discussion, hasn't been much and I'll be leaving the office soon.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Telle · 01-09-2009, 01:14 PM

VOTE NIGHTFALL

With no discussion this day is getting boring. Let's move on to the next.

Danny · 01-09-2009, 01:15 PM

12 votes for Eaglefan with 6 nightfalls. I guess we need at least 8 nightfalls right?

Danny · 01-09-2009, 01:15 PM

Now 7 nightfalls

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-09-2009, 01:26 PM

Might as well get this over with.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 01:48 PM

OK, it seems like people want to run Day 2 and I have a few minutes, so unless I hear from someone in the next 5-10 minutes I'll run Day 2

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 02:06 PM

OK no one seems to have an objection.

The tide swings quickly towards EF after a short day, maybe there is a kegger tonight?

You all swarm towards Eaglefan and bowl him over, the way Brandon Jacobs is going to bowl over Brian Dawkins. As you string him up and the noose wraps around his neck the Westbrook jersey rips into shreds and he begins to turn into a wolf.

His lifeless body sways in the air as you all celebrate cathing this vermin. Too bad for him he won't be around for Sunday's game, allthough the general consensues is you did him a favor, as the Eagles will likely suffer the same fate.

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 02:08 PM

You all wake slowly after the big party last night, as you all make your way down to the quad for classes you notice someone is missing. You make your way up to the Presidents house on top of the hill and find Jonathan Ezerik ripped to shreds, victim of a wolf attack.

Day 3 has begun, Deadline 10:00 PM Monday night

Telle · 01-09-2009, 02:08 PM

Awesome! Good work Danny!

jeheinz72 · 01-09-2009, 02:09 PM

That's what I'm talkin about!

Danny · 01-09-2009, 02:10 PM

Sweet, 1 wolf down!

Hannibal Lecter · 01-09-2009, 02:10 PM

WEll I look silly now :'(

Danny · 01-09-2009, 02:12 PM

Jonathan was the president, so no more duke, at least it wasn't the seer.

DaddyTorgo · 01-09-2009, 02:12 PM

Hell yeah! go team villagers!!!

jeff061 · 01-09-2009, 02:13 PM

Thats that, still wonder why he was the attacking wolf. Odd.

DaddyTorgo · 01-09-2009, 02:14 PM

that's right! that means we still have the real seer!!

duhhh...i'd like almost forgotten that!

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-09-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

You all wake slowly after the big party last night, as you all make your way down to the quad for classes you notice someone is missing. You make your way up to the Presidents house on top of the hill and find Jonathan Ezerik ripped to shreds, victim of a wolf attack.

Day 3 has begun, Deadline 10:00 PM Monday night

I don't know who this Ezerik fellow is, but it sure sucks to be him.

Good luck all!

EagleFan · 01-09-2009, 02:14 PM

Go wolves!!!

But more importantly...

Go Eagles!!!

Telle · 01-09-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Jonathan was the president, so no more duke, at least it wasn't the seer.

So THAT'S why we went to the president's house to find him. I'm a tad slow

EagleFan · 01-09-2009, 02:15 PM

Karma and that write up are coming back to get you on Sunday Lathum

Danny · 01-09-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Thats that, still wonder why he was the attacking wolf. Odd.

I tried to subtlety tell EF through PM and on here that there was a very good chance the BG wasn't around to see his reveal and wouldn't be protecting him. Or he may have just overlooked the fact the someone guarding him would prevent the night kill.

Telle · 01-09-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Thats that, still wonder why he was the attacking wolf. Odd.

He already stuck his neck out with the fake seer reveal, and it was obvious that he wasn't well believed. So it made sense that they didn't want to risk a different wolf getting identified during an attack.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

So THAT'S why we went to the president's house to find him. I'm a tad slow

How in the world did I not know that I was rooming with the president?

Would people be interested in me publishing a trust list that I got from Jonathan shortly before his death? At least you would know the thought process of a known villager, rather than trying to figure out if it was constructed by a wolf trying to pull something.

We had started discussing some of his "slottings" but had not had enough PMs to get very far in that process.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 02:20 PM

BTW, having 12 members in the thread now is nice to see.

Danny · 01-09-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

How in the world did I not know that I was rooming with the president?

Would people be interested in me publishing a trust list that I got from Jonathan shortly before his death? At least you would know the thought process of a known villager, rather than trying to figure out if it was constructed by a wolf trying to pull something.

We had started discussing some of his "slottings" but had not had enough PMs to get very far in that process.

Definitely, we have lots of time for all of this discussion, so might as well get it out there.

Telle · 01-09-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Definitely, we have lots of time for all of this discussion, so might as well get it out there.

Yep. Will give us a nice place to start for today's discussion.

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Of course Danny is interested, seeing as how he is the most trusted person on JE's list

Per JE, here were his trust levels:
Trust Level 1
Me
Danny

Level 2
Heinze

Level 3
You
DT
Abe
Jeff
Barkeep
CR
RPI

Level 4
Gramm
Jackal

Level 5
Telle
Hannibal

jeff061 · 01-09-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

He already stuck his neck out with the fake seer reveal, and it was obvious that he wasn't well believed. So it made sense that they didn't want to risk a different wolf getting identified during an attack.

I see.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-09-2009, 02:28 PM

woo hoo im #12!

hoopsguy · 01-09-2009, 02:28 PM

One of the people that we had talked about was Heinz. Prior to him sending his list, I had commented that I thought he was one of the people who came out the best from D1. Not only because he voted for Eaglefan, but because he came after him aggressively and did not back down from it later when he would have had an opportunity to do so.

01-09-2009, 11:04 AM	#352
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	What have we learned. __________________

01-09-2009, 11:06 AM	#357
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Well we learned Danny is the BG. Which doesn't exactly help us and accomplishes the same thing we could have yesterday, wuthout the BG reveal. __________________

01-09-2009, 01:10 PM	#371
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Like Hoops said, I was going to delay in case of discussion, hasn't been much and I'll be leaving the office soon. VOTE NIGHTFALL __________________

01-09-2009, 02:13 PM	#385
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Thats that, still wonder why he was the attacking wolf. Odd. __________________

01-09-2009, 11:01 AM	#351
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Even with the insinuations we have now... I dont feel too abd about my switch, why not take the chance to learn something?

01-09-2009, 11:05 AM	#356
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	and if he really was the seer? dont forget there was no actual evidence, ill give someone the benefit of the doubt, either he is the seer and its a good move, or hes not and hes dead in 2 days. it looks like i was wrong... but its a worthwhile risk

01-09-2009, 11:10 AM	#358
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am curious though having never been guarded by the BG, is it normal that the person being guarded would know who guarded them?

01-09-2009, 11:21 AM	#362
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If the seer has not already scanned Jackal, I would love for this to happen soon so we can start forming a strong COT from the Day 1 vote. I think that would also help with evaluating some of the questionable votes ... they are not that questionable if we hit jackpot and had two wolves lined up against each other.

01-09-2009, 11:29 AM	#363
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm leaving for school in a few minutes. I'll be back on around 3:30 EST, if the general sentiment by then is nightfall I will run the deadline at 4:00EST. If anyone who has a night action could get it into me by then that would be great, if not I will wait to run the night phase until I have all the night actions. If anyone has a problem with this PM me and I'll continue with the normal deadline and not mention who had the issue.

01-09-2009, 12:37 PM	#366
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Based on the lack of activity in the thread today, relative to yesteday: VOTE NIGHTFALL

01-09-2009, 12:38 PM	#367
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I would be OK seeing this one play out to the bitter end if the parties involved were really going after each other. But that does not seem to be the case. Therefore, I would prefer to move ahead a day and see where we are at in the process at the start of D3.

01-09-2009, 12:49 PM	#368
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Yet to vote: RPI Fan, The Jackal, Jonathan Ezerik. Everyone else is voting for EagleFan (11 votes), except EagleFan who is voting for jeheinze.

01-09-2009, 12:51 PM	#369
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol - definition of pigpile

01-09-2009, 01:08 PM	#370
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	VOTE EF VOTE NIGHTFALL seems pretty straightforward

01-09-2009, 01:14 PM	#372
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	VOTE NIGHTFALL With no discussion this day is getting boring. Let's move on to the next.

01-09-2009, 01:15 PM	#373
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	12 votes for Eaglefan with 6 nightfalls. I guess we need at least 8 nightfalls right?

01-09-2009, 01:15 PM	#374
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Now 7 nightfalls

01-09-2009, 01:26 PM	#375
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Might as well get this over with. VOTE EAGLEFAN VOTE NIGHTFALL

01-09-2009, 01:48 PM	#376
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, it seems like people want to run Day 2 and I have a few minutes, so unless I hear from someone in the next 5-10 minutes I'll run Day 2

01-09-2009, 02:06 PM	#377
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK no one seems to have an objection. The tide swings quickly towards EF after a short day, maybe there is a kegger tonight? You all swarm towards Eaglefan and bowl him over, the way Brandon Jacobs is going to bowl over Brian Dawkins. As you string him up and the noose wraps around his neck the Westbrook jersey rips into shreds and he begins to turn into a wolf. His lifeless body sways in the air as you all celebrate cathing this vermin. Too bad for him he won't be around for Sunday's game, allthough the general consensues is you did him a favor, as the Eagles will likely suffer the same fate.

01-09-2009, 02:08 PM	#378
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You all wake slowly after the big party last night, as you all make your way down to the quad for classes you notice someone is missing. You make your way up to the Presidents house on top of the hill and find Jonathan Ezerik ripped to shreds, victim of a wolf attack. Day 3 has begun, Deadline 10:00 PM Monday night

01-09-2009, 02:08 PM	#379
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Awesome! Good work Danny!

01-09-2009, 02:10 PM	#381
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Sweet, 1 wolf down!

01-09-2009, 02:10 PM	#382
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	WEll I look silly now :'(

01-09-2009, 02:12 PM	#383
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Jonathan was the president, so no more duke, at least it wasn't the seer.

01-09-2009, 02:12 PM	#384
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Hell yeah! go team villagers!!!

01-09-2009, 02:14 PM	#386
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	that's right! that means we still have the real seer!! duhhh...i'd like almost forgotten that!

01-09-2009, 02:14 PM	#388
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Go wolves!!! But more importantly... Go Eagles!!!

01-09-2009, 02:15 PM	#390
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Karma and that write up are coming back to get you on Sunday Lathum

01-09-2009, 02:20 PM	#394
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	BTW, having 12 members in the thread now is nice to see.

01-09-2009, 02:23 PM	#397
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Of course Danny is interested, seeing as how he is the most trusted person on JE's list Per JE, here were his trust levels: Trust Level 1 Me Danny Level 2 Heinze Level 3 You DT Abe Jeff Barkeep CR RPI Level 4 Gramm Jackal Level 5 Telle Hannibal

01-09-2009, 02:28 PM	#399
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	woo hoo im #12!

01-09-2009, 02:28 PM	#400
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	One of the people that we had talked about was Heinz. Prior to him sending his list, I had commented that I thought he was one of the people who came out the best from D1. Not only because he voted for Eaglefan, but because he came after him aggressively and did not back down from it later when he would have had an opportunity to do so.

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