WW XCII Sparta -- Claimed by Villagers

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

still trying to wrap my mind around why people are implicitly trusting dubb and his scenario to be honest. i understand the logic of it, but i think it's dangerous and folly to try to draw macro conclusions like that so early in a game.

I dont trust Dubb... but if he is a wolf, hes doing a great job in hiding right out in the open, which is REAL hard. that being said.... im not sure its a bad strategy, IF the seer is bad. But we dont know that, and we wont know if the seer is killed if he IS bad.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

all that being said, i don't think i'm going to vote dubb or jackel - i think that'd be a case of villager-on-villager crime...maybe danny or clap...

ok both you and jacyl have suggested voting me... is there a reason?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Unvote Heinz
Vote DT

I think you are the evil seer.

this came after 3 hours of deep thoguht?

[Barkeep49]

dubb: Not sure who I plan on voting for today.

DT: I don't trust dubb, but do agree with his scenario independently of him (or at least I think I do).

I agree roles in terms of players were likely distributed via random.org and were the players. But I do think it more likely that pass would have distributed the roles to the cities, the players to the cities, and then the roles to the players. You're suggesting he distributed the roles to the players and then the players to the cities. Considering we already know some roles are present in both cities, I see no reason to believe that he didn't decide on what roles were in each city first for all roles.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Unvote Heinz
Vote DT

I think you are the evil seer.

I think you're off your rocker

[DaddyTorgo]

I have a bunch of work to do today courtesy of the holiday yesterday and stuff that was already scheduled for today.

That being said - I'm not sure why dubb is all over me like white on rice. And I have no idea how he thinks I'm the evil seer unless he's the good seer? Which would seem to invalidate his whole "scenario."

I may actually lean towards voting him, because I think his "off-the-wall ping-pong-ball" style of play is preventing us from entering into deeper analysis on anything and focusing. Not 100% sure that he's a wolf, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was the wolf, or the sympathizer-role.

[Passacaglia]

Morning vote count:

jeheinz72 -- 0
DaddyTorgo -- 2 The Jackal (327) dubb93 (346)

[DaddyTorgo]

dubb voted for me Pass - I didn't vote for myself

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

That DaddyTorgo definitely has to be a wolf.

VOTE DaddyTorgo

That's not what this post says.

Just kidding -- I'll fix it, thanks.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaah - saldana - was just looking over the list of people still in Sparta wondering who might be a wolf. How timely of you to appear just as I was trying to wrap my mind around what I thought of you.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's not what this post says.

Just kidding -- I'll fix it, thanks.

you're going to confuse my poor fellow Spartans. We've never been the most educated of folk due to our warrior mentality.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

still trying to wrap my mind around why people are implicitly trusting dubb and his scenario to be honest. i understand the logic of it, but i think it's dangerous and folly to try to draw macro conclusions like that so early in a game.

Finally someone sees the logic in not necessarily dumping our eggs in a likely but not certain basket.

[DaddyTorgo]

i also find it curious that dubb seems to be primarily advancing the idea that because we had the good marathon runner that we certainly have the evil seer. almost like he's trying to set it up to discredit whatever info our seer reveals eventually.

i'm not sure I buy him as a wolf hiding out in the open 100%, but it's certainly a possibility

[jeheinz72]

Frankly, I don't think dubb is a wolf. He might likely be the Evil Historian (which would mean he's playing it correctly) but I don't think he's a wolf.

Either way we all fall on the how-roles-were-distributed-idea, I don't think it much matters. We have wolves here. We need to lynch a wolf. Let's worry about that and if they're the Seer Wolf or the Hoplite Wolf or a fucking Pancake Wolf for chrissakes, I'll be happy.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i also find it curious that dubb seems to be primarily advancing the idea that because we had the good marathon runner that we certainly have the evil seer. almost like he's trying to set it up to discredit whatever info our seer reveals eventually.

i'm not sure I buy him as a wolf hiding out in the open 100%, but it's certainly a possibility

Actually he's saying that PB is the bad runner. Or at least I hope to shit he is still saying that, because if not I'll vote for him right now and not look back given how he was so certain yesterady. But I'm somewhat sure you're just mixed up there DT.

Sparing that though, I'll look elsewhere from dubb for my vote. IMO, he's at best the Evil Historian. Worst case a gun-slingin' villager who just wants to sacrifice the village game here, try and get as much info as possible, and aim to take Athens & Hades (which may not be a terrible ploy truth be told).

[DaddyTorgo]

in fact

errr - because we had one marathon runner and the good hoplite i should have said in my previous post

We'd have to believe that dubb is either the bad historian/sympathizer (possible?) or the bad hoplite and that both hoplites started in the same city. Or that there's another wolf-role that's not laid out in the rules (he can be the bad hoplite but not the bad marathon runner cuz PB was our marathon runner). But I don't think one city would get both hoplites.

So he's either the bad historian/sympathizer role or a misguided villager. but if he's the bad historian/sympathizer that means we have no seer in our city.

the way i read the rules each city has one of each of the roles. that's the only way it makes sense as a game with any semblance of balance.

my conclusion is that dubb is a misguided villager.

Dubb - just wish you'd calm down and stop flinging around a million accusations so that we can try to get down to the business of trying to figure out who the wolf is.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - i was just mixing things up there in my head ketchup-boy.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yeah - i was just mixing things up there in my head ketchup-boy.

I figured.

[jeheinz72]

So we have two votes for DT and that's it?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So we have two votes for DT and that's it?

Yes, unless you count DT's vote for himself -- which you probably shouldn't, since I made it up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yep!

I'm not inclined to vote for Dubb, for the reasons I laid out.

Jackel is an interesting possiblity - but he's also just irritating me because he's giving me crap for my participation that i feel is unwarranted so i need to try to remove that from the equation.

So wait, IF we had the bad marathon-runner then wasn't that it for us as far as wolves go? Unless there are unroled wolves?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yes, unless you count DT's vote for himself -- which you probably shouldn't, since I made it up.

Well gee, no sense letting the facts get in the way of a good story...

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Yep!

I'm not inclined to vote for Dubb, for the reasons I laid out.

Jackel is an interesting possiblity - but he's also just irritating me because he's giving me crap for my participation that i feel is unwarranted so i need to try to remove that from the equation.

So wait, IF we had the bad marathon-runner then wasn't that it for us as far as wolves go? Unless there are unroled wolves?

I'd be pretty shocked if we started with just 1 wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

so then we have marathon-runner wolf and an "unroled" wolf? - just trying to get a handle on that all. would make sense we wouldn't start with one i suppose.

[jeheinz72]

Who knows. I guess I'm just not really concerning myself with what roles we have with regard to how I'll vote and such.

[claphamsa]

Saldana has been very quiet....maybe hes just not back into the swing of WW......

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah saldana has been quiet. you're also tough for me to get a read on clap.

[DaddyTorgo]

See if we can't get a little discussion going here. Open to change.

VOTE SALDANA

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yeah saldana has been quiet. you're also tough for me to get a read on clap.

why? Im not playing any different than normal.. (maybe posting a TAD less) but that's because I R confuzzled by the rules. and someone thinks im supposed to WORK at work instead of surf. lame

[jeheinz72]

Saldana and Clap were my two likeliest vote locations for today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

why? Im not playing any different than normal.. (maybe posting a TAD less) but that's because I R confuzzled by the rules. and someone thinks im supposed to WORK at work instead of surf. lame

lol - because you're always tough for me to get a read on.

and i r confuzzled too.

and yes...work at work is a pain in the ass

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Saldana and Clap were my two likeliest vote locations for today.

why?

[saldana]

i am not being any more quiet than i usually am in the early stages of games, i like to sit back and watch the way other people act and react, and since Dubb is doing such a good job of stirring shit up, i didnt really feel the need to over-vocalize.

i have put my thoughts out there on the balance issue and the marathon runner issue...if you would like to hear from me on something else specific, let me know what it is.

[The Jackal]

unvote DT

Pretty satisfied with what I've seen from you, no real reason to have my vote there.

[The Jackal]

It seems like both accusations Dubb has had were unfounded in anything except his gut. He's striking me as confrontational but not wolfish. Definitely a slick play if he's a wolf hiding out in the open, but at this point I feel it's more likely that he's not a wolf.

[The Jackal]

sal and clap, neither of you have really done anything suspicious, but we have to have wolves somewhere, and in a game where the village has been hurting itself so far, there's every reason for wolves to stay off the radar as much as possible

[DaddyTorgo]

i agree with you saldana on liking to sit back and see how people act/react. that's typically my M.O. for days 1+2, sometimes even 3. Not quite as much time for that in a small game though.

[The Jackal]

I wonder what BK and Danny are thinking/have to say.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

why?

More or less vibe and process of elimination. For you though, I'm always suspicious of you, since you always vote for me.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

More or less vibe and process of elimination. For you though, I'm always suspicious of you, since you always vote for me.

how did you eliminate everyone else?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

It seems like both accusations Dubb has had were unfounded in anything except his gut. He's striking me as confrontational but not wolfish. Definitely a slick play if he's a wolf hiding out in the open, but at this point I feel it's more likely that he's not a wolf.

Agreed. And I'd contend that a wolf-in-the-open play is only beneficial really if that person could get to Hades without being known as a wolf in this game. For that to happen, he'd either have to be sent to Hades by the wolves.

So I guess what I'm saying is I'll entertain the idea of dubb-as-wolf if he gets sent to Hades tonight and I eventually get there as well.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

how did you eliminate everyone else?

I didn't completleyeliminate everyone else. You two are at the top. Hence "two likeliest vote locations".

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I wonder what BK and Danny are thinking/have to say.

As am I. Especially Danny since well, a vote for him is silly (since he's likely the Ephor going off the bit of discussion on that vote we had and that clap said he isn't the Ephor).

BK's silence is worrisome.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm still trying to wrap my mind around how the hades-mechanic impacts the gameplay FYI. and what the different types of reveals we get upon sending a person there indicate to us.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm still trying to wrap my mind around how the hades-mechanic impacts the gameplay FYI. and what the different types of reveals we get upon sending a person there indicate to us.

Pass posted it earlier. I think if it's a lynch, we get the real deal info. If it's the wolves, we get a series of conditionals. Let me dig it up

[DaddyTorgo]

i've got a conference call from 1-2 EST but am going to do lunch after that i suppose so i should be back to vote before deadline

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Pass posted it earlier. I think if it's a lynch, we get the real deal info. If it's the wolves, we get a series of conditionals. Let me dig it up

don't worry. i remember reading it. i meant that just trying to remember it and factor it into my thinking is giving my brain-strain i guess.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah basically everyone gets revealed as a villager in a night kill scenario, but roled villagers get revealed as such (all else vanilla)

[claphamsa]

This sucks... 2 hours till deadline, and we have nothing going....

[claphamsa]

I feel like its day one.... we have so little info... and Im not sure how we will get any.

We cant vote analyze.. since we dont find out who are wolves upon lynching...

We cant trust our seer....