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Old 07-22-2008, 04:18 PM   #351
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It is just after 4pm EST, can we get a vote count on each bill and the speaker of the house status please?
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:18 PM   #352
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Ok. I think I have a bi-partisan solution.

If elected Speaker, I will put forth a Seer bill tomorrow if this one doesn't make it past the courts. I will take input from both sides in this thread to craft the best bill possible to the benefit of all non-wolves. This way each party can come up with their own bill tomorrow and not worry about playing catchup on a Seer bill if we need to.


Finally.

A truly bi-partisan action. True proof that I can in good faith throw my support behind a Dem for Speaker

Vote Chubby for Speaker of the House
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:18 PM   #353
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I e-mailed CR regarding unvoting on a bill (making a late switch, etc.) and we are unable to do so. Once your vote on a bill is cast, it is locked in.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:20 PM   #354
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/out of character - I'm guessing you haven't gotten caught up in this thread yet

No, I hadn't.

But as I stated, now that you have actually taken action towards uniting the parties, something more than voting to pass bills your voters would have already liked, I support you for Speaker.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:20 PM   #355
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Finally.

A truly bi-partisan action. True proof that I can in good faith throw my support behind a Dem for Speaker

Vote Chubby for Speaker of the House

I do appreciate your vote and plan to give my very best to Congress and the country if given the opportunity.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:21 PM   #356
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Rather than edit, I'll repost and make it read for information's sake:

Once you vote for a bill, you are unable to swing/change your vote, it is locked in.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:21 PM   #357
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dola, read should be red above.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:22 PM   #358
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I do appreciate your vote and plan to give my very best to Congress and the country if given the opportunity.

It should be. We all know the one thing that will get a politician in more hot water than a sexual encounter in a men's room...flip-flopping.

It's time for you to act as you, and those of your party, have stated you will act...in the best interests of the country at large, not one party or the other.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:23 PM   #359
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The problem being if it gets shot down because it's unconstitutional then we probably take a popularity hit for that.

Not speaking for the party, that's KWhit's job, but we all want a seer in the game unless you are a wolf.


I believe this bit of your statement is entirely assumption, you have no basis for this belief.

however, I feel, and my constituancy agrees/believes as I do, that it is better to push the boundaries and gain a more secure nation, than to play the politicly corect game and worry about our popularity.

Even if you are correct, and I do not believe you are that our popularity may suffer by being attached to a bill deemed unconstitutional, is it not better to show the voters, AND THE WOLVES, that you're willing to take that risk and vote your conscience and not your career?
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:23 PM   #360
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It should be. We all know the one thing that will get a politician in more hot water than a sexual encounter in a men's room...flip-flopping.

It's time for you to act as you, and those of your party, have stated you will act...in the best interests of the country at large, not one party or the other.


Hopefully today's Seer bill will pass the muster of the courts and I can submit a different bill tomorrow. If not, I fully plan on following thru on my pledge to submit a seer bill tomorrow if one is needed.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:24 PM   #361
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st.cronin: Mrs Schmidty (170), st.cronin (235), Purduefan (237), Tyrith (249), illinifan999 (250), claphamsa (260), RendeR (308)
Chubby: chubby (199), chesapeake (226), eaglefan (231), lathum (234), mccollins (242), Packerfanatic (243), KWhit (244), path12 (324), henry296 (347), jeheinz72 (352)

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL (238)
Yes: KWhit (239), mccollins (242), PackerFan (245), Chubby (246), EagleFan (247), illinifan999 (250), chesapeake (252), Lathum (255), Claphamsa (260), PurdueBrad (261), jeheinz72 (262), RendeR (308), path12 (324), henry296 (347)
No: Tyrith (269), Passacaglia (331)

NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL (266)
Yes: Tyrith (269), Illinifan999 (270), Passacaglia (272), jeheinz72 (275), claphamsa (287), PurdueBrad (295), RendeR (308), henry296 (347)
No: KWhit (276), mccollins (279), Chesapeake (310), Lathum (328)
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:26 PM   #362
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It'll take two more to get the Wolf Discovery Bill passed and at this point, I think we at least test the bounds of the court.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:26 PM   #363
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I believe this bit of your statement is entirely assumption, you have no basis for this belief.

however, I feel, and my constituancy agrees/believes as I do, that it is better to push the boundaries and gain a more secure nation, than to play the politicly corect game and worry about our popularity.

Even if you are correct, and I do not believe you are that our popularity may suffer by being attached to a bill deemed unconstitutional, is it not better to show the voters, AND THE WOLVES, that you're willing to take that risk and vote your conscience and not your career?

You are ignoring the other drawback to having this law ruled unconstitutional - wasting a day to get the seer. That's a much bigger deal than a hit to one's popularity.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:28 PM   #364
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KWhit, you missed my YES vote for the National Wolf Discovery Bill. It was in a response to jeheinz earlier, it was bolded but I can see how it'd be missed
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:29 PM   #365
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I agree that losing the day is a HUGE waste but if we don't pass the bill, we've got the same problem. At least by passing it, we have a chance that it'll get by the court rather than just sit by and do nothing. This is how we allow government to grind to a halt.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:29 PM   #366
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#277 was my yes vote
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:30 PM   #367
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Hopefully today's Seer bill will pass the muster of the courts and I can submit a different bill tomorrow. If not, I fully plan on following thru on my pledge to submit a seer bill tomorrow if one is needed.

Agreed.

Is now a good time to start discussing how this other alternative bill will start benefitting my side of the aisle as well as yours?
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:31 PM   #368
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Agreed.

Is now a good time to start discussing how this other alternative bill will start benefitting my side of the aisle as well as yours?

If you'd like to feel free. I am still holding out hope that today's Seer bill will clear the courts.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:34 PM   #369
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Missed Chubby's vote earlier:

Speaker:
st.cronin: Mrs Schmidty (170), st.cronin (235), Purduefan (237), Tyrith (249), illinifan999 (250), claphamsa (260), RendeR (308)
Chubby: chubby (199), chesapeake (226), eaglefan (231), lathum (234), mccollins (242), Packerfanatic (243), KWhit (244), path12 (324), henry296 (347), jeheinz72 (352)

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL (238)
Yes: KWhit (239), mccollins (242), PackerFan (245), Chubby (246), EagleFan (247), illinifan999 (250), chesapeake (252), Lathum (255), Claphamsa (260), PurdueBrad (261), jeheinz72 (262), RendeR (308), path12 (324), henry296 (347)
No: Tyrith (269), Passacaglia (331)

NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL (266)
Yes: Tyrith (269), Illinifan999 (270), Passacaglia (272), jeheinz72 (275), Chubby (277), claphamsa (287), PurdueBrad (295), RendeR (308), henry296 (347)
No: KWhit (276), mccollins (279), Chesapeake (310), Lathum (328)
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:34 PM   #370
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A new bill will be in the works from the GOP. CR said that all votes for the old bill will be null and void -- we'll try to get it out fast.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:43 PM   #371
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A new bill will be in the works from the GOP. CR said that all votes for the old bill will be null and void -- we'll try to get it out fast.

I would take a really close look at whoever designed that first bill. It seemed pretty blatantly unconstitutional to me.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:45 PM   #372
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I would take a really close look at whoever designed that first bill. It seemed pretty blatantly unconstitutional to me.

Will do.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:51 PM   #373
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Since the Repubs are submitting a revised bill, please everyone make sure to come back in the thread to vote for it tonight!

All previous votes for the NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL do not count if it is re-submitted!
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:55 PM   #374
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Just now caught up. I look forward to the new Discovery Bill.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:56 PM   #375
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Just now caught up. I look forward to the new Discovery Bill.

As do I. I thank my esteemed colleagues on the other side of the aisle for revising and resubmitting.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:05 PM   #376
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Okay, I got permission from CR to post our bill, even though I'm not the Leader or the Whip. He asked that the Leader (Tyrith) or the Whip (jeheinz72) please confirm that this is the bill when they show up.




I, Passacaglia, taking the place of Tyrith, the gun loving leader of the Congressional Republics, and jeheinz72, the whip loving traitor, submit to you this bill for your consideration -

NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL

Co-Sponsors: illinifan999 and Mrs. Schmidty

We create a seer role to be given to a random non-wolf member of this Congress, to have the ability once per year, at night, to select a member of Congress and determine whether or not they are a member of the Wolf Party. The name of the person to be scanned should be given to the moderator before the night deadline.

Further, if this seer is attacked at night by the wolves, he shall have a 25% chance of avoiding political death and remaining in the game, although he shall not learn the identity of his attacker.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:06 PM   #377
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VOTE NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL
VOTE ST.CRONIN FOR SPEAKER
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:07 PM   #378
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I'm sure the party leadership will comeup with something candy-ass enough for you democrats....
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:07 PM   #379
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That should be...

VOTE YES NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL

I guess that 'yes' part is important, eh?

Sorry about the delay all.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:08 PM   #380
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And voila, so as I speaketh, so shallith it come to pass....


or from Pass, no pun intended...
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:08 PM   #381
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Vote for Wolf Discovery Bill

Pass, do I interpret the bill correctly the seer will have a 25% of blocking the attacking like a bodyguard?
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:09 PM   #382
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:09 PM   #383
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We appreciate the fact you were willing to re-work the bill. I feel that it is a bill that is designed to help the country and help all involved, including my fellow party members and my constituents.

VOTE YES NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:10 PM   #384
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Pass, do I interpret the bill correctly the seer will have a 25% of blocking the attacking like a bodyguard?

Yes, but only if he is the one attacked.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:10 PM   #385
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VOTE YES NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL

My district whole heartedly supports this bill.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:12 PM   #386
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I'm sure the party leadership will comeup with something candy-ass enough for you democrats....

You all should be thanking us Democrats. I think we may have just saved us all from an unconstitutional Supreme Court ruling and a day with no seer.

(No applause necessary).
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:13 PM   #387
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Thanks for re-working the bill, Pass.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:18 PM   #388
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:21 PM   #389
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You all should be thanking us Democrats. I think we may have just saved us all from an unconstitutional Supreme Court ruling and a day with no seer.

(No applause necessary).


Its all about face-time for you dems.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:27 PM   #390
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As WHIP (more hits, less walks per IP for those who weren't sure) I confirm Pass's bill and...

VOTE YES NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:28 PM   #391
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Its all about face-time for you dems.

It is truly a tragedy...no an outrage that such specious accusations are leveled against...

(what? your camera wasn't on yet? sure, I can start from the top)

(Ready?)

It is truly a tragedy...
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:34 PM   #392
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Alas, as the seer role goes against the methods that me and my constituency believe are appropriate to combat the wolf menace, I must:

Vote NO on the Amended National Wolf Discovery Bill
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:36 PM   #393
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I'm heading out to dinner and to do some errands, will be back in a bit.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:40 PM   #394
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I'm gone for the day in 20 minutes. My votes are in.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:41 PM   #395
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:43 PM   #396
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With six votes already in favor, it appears that this bill is already well on the way to passage.

Deep down in my soul, I do not believe that it is morally right to use surveillance methods on American citizens without a properly obtained court order. Indeed, on this issue, the Fourth Amendment is quite clear.

I have heard from my constituents, time and time again, about their concerns over this measure, and I cannot, in good conscience, support it.

Vote NO on the Amended National Wolf Discovery Bill
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:45 PM   #397
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I can get behind this revised bill.

VOTE YES ON AMENDED NATIONAL WOLF DISCOVERY BILL
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:54 PM   #398
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My constituents were clear that they approved of no form of this bill. I must:
Vote NO on the Amended National Wolf Discovery Bill
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:57 PM   #399
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I am heading out, and all my votes are in. I may not be on again until just after the deadline.
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:06 PM   #400
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vote yes on the amended wolf discovery bill
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