NFL Draft thread 2012

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

meh

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i don't get the richardson lovefest. sure he looks like a ray rice clone but the kid out of boise looks just as good.

My only negative towards him is really the state of the RB in today's game. It will be interesting to see if the Browns take him with Jim Brown calling Trent "ordinary." As somebody who has watched him during his time at 'Bama, I just shake my head at comments like that. FYI, Trent carries about 16 more pounds of weight on him versus Ray as well.

NFL.com news: Jim Brown unimpressed by 'ordinary' Trent Richardson

[Arles]

Green Bay would trade down before taking someone they don't like (although I'd be OK with Mercilus). If there's one thing Thompson has shown, it's the willingness to trade down if value isn't there. I'm guessing someone would be interested in pick 28 to have a chance at one of the QBs (Weeden?) or HBs (Martin).

I could also see GB trading up to go after Barron, a DT or pass rusher. They do have 12 picks this year.

[DanGarion]

I just want to confirm, on ESPN at 5 (Pacific) they have "SportsCenter Special: on The Clock presented by Castrol Edge". That is the draft right?

[jbergey22]

While I dont agree with Jim Brown calling Richardson ordinary he was right on with his modern day NFL thoughts. In addition too many first round running backs seem to not find a role worthy of a 1st round pick right now.

I am not even sure if you knew you were getting the rookie version of AP you would take him 4th overall. Well maybe you would but its probably not something that will get you in the playoffs that first year.

As good as a running back may be they are no longer able to carry a NFL team.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Arles

I'm guessing someone would be interested in pick 28 to have a chance at one of the QBs (Weeden?) or HBs (Martin).

Even the second round seems too early for a QB who turns 29 during the season, especially one who played in a wide open spread offense in college.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I just want to confirm, on ESPN at 5 (Pacific) they have "SportsCenter Special: on The Clock presented by Castrol Edge". That is the draft right?

My online DVR listing has that title airing at 5 EASTERN. At 8 I'm seeing "2012 NFL Draft".

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

While I dont agree with Jim Brown calling Richardson ordinary he was right on with his modern day NFL thoughts. In addition too many first round running backs seem to not find a role worthy of a 1st round pick right now.

I am not even sure if you knew you were getting the rookie version of AP you would take him 4th overall. Well maybe you would but its probably not something that will get you in the playoffs that first year.

As good as a running back may be they are no longer able to carry a NFL team.

Grantland did a good article on the value of draft value by position.

How can you tell which NFL draft picks are truly valuable? - Grantland

I'm an old school, run first, defensive kind of guy, but I do think picking 4th for a RB is too high.

[Logan]

Speaking of, planning on DVRing the draft and seeing how quickly I can get through it once its over. I'll be at a hockey game so in all likelihood I won't even be following any picks. Wondering if I can knock it out in a half hour of real time.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Logan

My online DVR listing has that title airing at 5 EASTERN. At 8 I'm seeing "2012 NFL Draft".

DanGarion doesn't know how to operate his cable device.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Even the second round seems too early for a QB who turns 29 during the season, especially one who played in a wide open spread offense in college.

I'm not a huge fan of Weeden, but most mocks have him and Martin going in the 29-36 range. So, if you like either guy and don't have a pick there - you will have to trade up.

[Passacaglia]

And the draft contest thread got deleted. Something inappropriate, or just not wanting a fake-out anymore?

[Logan]

Maybe a TCY2 slip.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

just not wanting a fake-out anymore

that one

[Joker]

good lord deleting posts now...?
I really enjoyed the draft competition.

[Logan]

I wish I read the thread, as I have no idea what's going on.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Logan

I wish I read the thread, as I have no idea what's going on.

It has something to do with not wanting a fake-out.

If anyone can explain it in regular words I shall declare them the 2012 NFL DRAFT COMPETITION CHAMPIONS!!!

[Lathum]

what the hell is a fake out?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Perhaps people thinking the contest was going when it is not?

[Passacaglia]

There was a thread about Solecismic's annual draft contest. Every time people posted in the thread, it would get bumped, making people believe that he was running the contest again. But he isn't. So it's an unintentional fake-out.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Has anyone made a "how is Minnesota going to be late for their pick this year" joke?

SI

It would be extra funny this year considering it's widely known who is being picked before them and it has been that way for awhile.

[Solecismic]

I deleted the post because of the fake-out. It reads that Solecismic Software is announcing a draft contest... in 2010. I don't think that's fair to people.

I stopped running the contest because the lockout made me re-evaluate how I enjoyed my own participation in the NFL, as a fan. There's too much media involvement. The Kiperization of the draft is turning it into another Survivor, with spoilers and fake spoilers and more twists and turns than Newt Gingrich's presidential campaign.

When I started the contest, it was more about evaluating teams and seeing where players fit in. Would Green Bay, for example, overdraft an athletic defensive end because he might project to a perfect pass-rushing 34 linebacker? Now it's just watching the Kipers and the McShays and deciding which nuggets are believable.

What I prefer is analyzing the results of the draft - an exercise that's better enjoyed 3-4 years afterward.

I've added a blog post to the Football Frontier focusing on Ryan Tannehill and quarterbacks in the draft, by the way.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Logan

My online DVR listing has that title airing at 5 EASTERN. At 8 I'm seeing "2012 NFL Draft".

Ah, I guess I should have read that a little closer, ESPN is all listed in Eastern. Thanks!

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Matthean

NFL.com news: Jim Brown unimpressed by 'ordinary' Trent Richardson

This should be enough to convince the Browns that drafting Richardson is the right move.

[Lathum]

dear ESPN- If you make all your draft coverage pay only content I will no longer visit your site.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I stopped running the contest because the lockout made me re-evaluate how I enjoyed my own participation in the NFL, as a fan. There's too much media involvement. The Kiperization of the draft is turning it into another Survivor, with spoilers and fake spoilers and more twists and turns than Newt Gingrich's presidential campaign.

Now it's just watching the Kipers and the McShays and deciding which nuggets are believable.

This is why I don't even bother watching the draft anymore. I"ll just read the summaries of the picks, thank-you-very-much.

[Atocep]

There's a rumor that Bruce Irvin has a 1st round promise from a team picking at the bottom of round 1.

[BillJasper]

Watching a piece on Trent Richardson on NFL Network. Notice he already bought his Mom a GMC Denali, fully loaded after his pro day. No wonder these guys end up broke after their careers.

At least wait til you actually put your name on the contract and get your first check.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Watching a piece on Trent Richardson on NFL Network. Notice he already bought his Mom a GMC Denali, fully loaded after his pro day. No wonder these guys end up broke after their careers.

At least wait til you actually put your name on the contract and get your first check.

You're assuming that first check didn't come 3 years ago.

[Joker]

My post got deleted also, and I just used a Seinfeld quote.
I love the draft contest.
I've spent $140.00 in five years with you.
FOF football, greatest game ever made.
Maybe someday you can accept my friend request on facebook.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

You're assuming that first check didn't come 3 years ago.

I know, I am just assuming he is taking a pay cut leaving Bama.

In all honesty though I have zero issues with him buying his mom a car, good for him that he can do that for her.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Atocep

You're assuming that first check didn't come 3 years ago.

Or that he paid for the Denali.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dear ESPN- If you make all your draft coverage pay only content I will no longer visit your site.

It's ridiculous and I've had Insider for close to ten years now.

But when they internet has a bazillion resources for the NFL draft (and twice as many mock drafts), there's no point in continuing to make people pay for. Though I suppose I'm a sucker who's paying for it.

Though really, the cost of Insider is offset by the free subscription to ESPN the Mag. So there's that.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

This should be enough to convince the Browns that drafting Richardson is the right move.

Haha - when I saw this I thought the same!

[BillJasper]

I think Michael Irvin would make some team one hell of a receiver coach.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Not sure if the Lions would move up to get another player with weed issues, but I would be ok with moving up to get Dre Kirkpatrick. Again, I don't get the DL pick. The OL is aging and the DBs are a huge weak spot as the Lions seem to only patchwork it together via free agency and it shows. Looks like the Lions have drafted one CB in the first 3 rounds since 2006.

Yeah. The rumor is they want to trade up to get Gilmore, Barron (everyone seems to want to trade up for him), or Kirkpatrick. If they aren't able to trade up, I'd imagine they go BPA (aside from DT). I'm guessing 17 is Kirkpatrick's ceiling so he could easily fall to at least 20 or so (at which point it'd be easier to trade up for him).

[BillJasper]

Browns move up to three...

[CleBrownsfan]

YESSSS!!!!!!!

[Izulde]

Is the NFL still showing it live online?

[jbergey22]

Vikings trade No. 3 pick to Cleveland for multiple draft picks | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities – Minnesota Sports News & Opinion (Twins, Vikings, Wolves, Wild, Gophers)

Browns move up to #3.

[Rizon]

I have this creeping feeling the top of the draft is going to end up with more busts than a local Hooters.

[albionmoonlight]

That's a lot to give up. But, if its the guy you want, then I believe in making the move.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

That's a lot to give up. But, if its the guy you want, then I believe in making the move.

My thoughts exactly. I guess they were worried someone else was going to grab him. IMO that is to high to take a RB anyway when one can likely be found later in the draft

[Racer]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

That's a lot to give up. But, if its the guy you want, then I believe in making the move.

I disagree. They didn't have to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick. They paid a small price to ensure the Vikings don't trade with the Buccaneers.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Lathum

My thoughts exactly. I guess they were worried someone else was going to grab him. IMO that is to high to take a RB anyway when one can likely be found later in the draft

I don't get the pick at #4. Now at #3 with additional picks tossed in makes me scratch my head. Love the player. It just seems a lot to invest for a RB in a passing league. I don't exactly see him coming in and pounding out 1,500 yards with what is surrounding him.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Racer

I disagree. They didn't have to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick. They paid a small price to ensure the Vikings don't trade with the Buccaneers.

This. A 4th, a 5th, and 7th is a small price to pay.

[bhlloy]

It's not a high price, but the Browns also aren't a deep enough team to be throwing away picks, even late round ones. Plus I just don't see anyone else moving up to #3 to get a RB. Pretty odd move IMO

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Izulde

This. A 4th, a 5th, and 7th is a small price to pay.

IMO it is a huge price to pay. You need depth and they are giving it away for a player they may have been able to get anyway. And if they didn't get him it is a position that is easy to fill in the later rounds.

[Lathum]

dola- anyone who thinks a 4 5 and 7 is a small price has played to much FOF

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- anyone who thinks a 4 5 and 7 is a small price has played to much FOF

They had 13 picks before the trade, they still have 10. I think in that scenario giving up some cannon fodder isn't too much to pay for a player you want.