Vick Sentenced to 23 Months For Dog Fighting - Page 9

MikeVic · 07-30-2007, 04:12 PM

Who the hell is Art Schlichster?

Kodos · 07-30-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Who the hell is Art Schlichster?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Schlichter

MikeVic · 07-30-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Schlichter

Interesting. I will not be changing my name to that.

I found this image linked from the Phil Donahue Show link on this guy's wiki page.

Radii · 07-30-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Schlichter

Washington Court House, Ohio, has to be one of the most unusual city names I've ever heard of.

MikeVic · 07-30-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Washington Court House, Ohio, has to be one of the most unusual city names I've ever heard of.

From wiki:

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Washington C.H. is known for its unusual street grid layout. Typically, street grids are arranged east-west and north-south, especially in the midwest. In this case, the streets in the downtown area, centering on the courthouse building, are arranged northeast-southwest and northwest-southeast. This was done so that all four sides of the courthouse building would receive some sunlight every day of the year. In the traditional grid system, the north side of a building never receives direct sunlight during the fall and winter months.

Cool.

Passacaglia · 07-30-2007, 06:44 PM

So the Court House is their god? Those Ohioans are pretty weird.

BrianD · 07-30-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Maybe a lawyer can explain this, but I'm confused about this section:

Why would he plead guilty, then? Is it possible his lawyer thinks the government may give him some leniency even when they've promised nothing?

Isn't it possible that he isn't telling the truth?

Mr. Wednesday · 07-30-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Why would he plead guilty, then? Is it possible his lawyer thinks the government may give him some leniency even when they've promised nothing?

It looks to me as though it's not quite true that he got nothing out of it — according to the AP story, he's basically gotten his indictment frozen. He's getting immunity for his testimony, and anything that he testifies to could support additional charges against Vick and the other defendants. He might have made the deal precisely because he was expecting additional charges to be handed down.

Vinatieri for Prez · 07-31-2007, 02:16 AM

Yes, this is correct. His benefit is two-fold. He is virtually guaranteed a lower sentence from the judge because of his plea and cooperation AND more importantly, the prosecution will not be including him in the additional charges which could add several years to the already 5-6 max years Vick and his other cohorts are facing.

14ers · 07-31-2007, 04:35 AM

I wonder how many Pro Athletes Vick can take down with him? Will Vick start naming names to save his own skin, or just out of spite?

Something tells me Vick will not be the only Pro Athlete to go down if he ends up in court.

Kodos · 07-31-2007, 10:01 AM

I hear you. [Looks in Peyton Manning's direction]

MikeVic · 07-31-2007, 10:04 AM

Yeah, there has to be more pro athletes invovled in dog fighting if it has become more prevalent in today's society... [Looks in Tom Brady's direction]

QuikSand · 07-31-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yeah, there has to be more pro athletes invovled in dog fighting if it has become more prevalent in today's society... [Looks in Tom Brady's direction]

Brady seems more likely to be surrounded by cat fights.

MikeVic · 07-31-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Brady seems more likely to be surrounded by cat fights.

Hmm, you're right.

Maybe Jason Kendall and Julio Franco are involved then. It would explain their lack of production this season. Staying up late nights participating in the fights.

rkmsuf · 07-31-2007, 10:17 AM

They have concessions at these dog fights? And if so what's the big seller? Nachos? Colt 45 maybe? Cotton candy?

MikeVic · 07-31-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

They have concessions at these dog fights? And if so what's the big seller? Nachos? Colt 45 maybe? Cotton candy?

I'd think BBQ would be a seller. Cotton candy is too sticky for these sorts of things. And you don't look "hard" while holding bright blue or pink fluffy stuff. Alcohol would definitely be a big seller. I think it would be stuff that you can eat with one hand. So nachos are out.

albionmoonlight · 07-31-2007, 10:27 AM

The short of federal sentencing is that it is very hard for a defendant to obtain a guarantee of a lesser sentence because so much of the sentence can be based on conduct related to your crime but not actually contained in your plea agreement or the jury verdict. (As a quick example, if you plead guilty to illegal possession of a firearm, and the government can show at sentencing that you used the firearm to facilitate drug transactions, then you can be sentenced as if you had plead guilty to the drug transactions--not simply for the firearm possession).

In addition, the judge maintains control of sentencing. The prosecutor can recommend things, and the judge normally listens, but the theory is that you are being sentenced by the court (i.e. the judicial arm of the state, not the executive arm). The prosecutor does not have the power to sentence--so he cannot promise to do or not do anything.

That said, judges and lawyers know that the system will break down if people are not rewarded for beneficial activity (mostly, helping bring down others and pleading guilty yourself to save the state the time and expense of a trial). Accordingly, it is very very likely that this co-defendant, by coming forward early and (assumedly) providing beneficial information and a willingness to testify, will end up with a lesser sentence than he would otherwise.

So, no guarantee, but if I were this guy's laywer, I'd have no problem rolling the dice for a good deal.

One thing that this plea signifies is that the govt. probably does have a solid case. You don't make any deal this quickly if you think that there is a chance that you could win at trial. You would at least take the time to investigate.

sabotai · 07-31-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Washington Court House, Ohio, has to be one of the most unusual city names I've ever heard of.

There's a Cape May Court House (town name) in NJ.

Surtt · 07-31-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Brady seems more likely to be surrounded by cat fights.

+1

Grammaticus · 08-02-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'd think BBQ would be a seller. Cotton candy is too sticky for these sorts of things. And you don't look "hard" while holding bright blue or pink fluffy stuff. Alcohol would definitely be a big seller. I think it would be stuff that you can eat with one hand. So nachos are out.

Schrimp on a stick, maybe?

MikeVic · 08-02-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Schrimp on a stick, maybe?

I can see that too.

Lathum · 08-02-2007, 10:29 AM

Hush puppies?

MikeVic · 08-02-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Hush puppies?

Right on the money! Those would have to be there for sure.

Mr. Sparkle · 08-02-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

They have concessions at these dog fights? And if so what's the big seller? Nachos? Colt 45 maybe? Cotton candy?

TAMALE!!!!

MikeVic · 08-02-2007, 11:48 AM

I know they definitely wouldn't have hot fudge chocolate sundaes. Those are a messy food.

st.cronin · 08-02-2007, 11:49 AM

You probably wouldn't see a sushi bar, either.

Fidatelo · 08-02-2007, 11:51 AM

umm....

hot dogs?

MikeVic · 08-02-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

umm....

hot dogs?

I'm including that under BBQ. But posting the name "hot dogs" is appropriate for this thread. Kudos.

Karlifornia · 08-02-2007, 03:04 PM

Definitely need foods that leave a hand free for operating the rape stand.

rkmsuf · 08-02-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

TAMALE!!!!

They brought in a ringer. Little Jerry!

MikeVic · 08-02-2007, 04:14 PM

What if a similar situation occured at one of these dog fights?

sabotai · 08-02-2007, 06:01 PM

Any thoughts on what McNabb said about the Vick case?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080102193.html

Noble_Platypus · 08-02-2007, 09:49 PM

He is an ass.

cartman · 08-02-2007, 10:15 PM

I'm sure Mad Dog 20/20 will be at the concession stand as well.

miked · 08-06-2007, 12:20 PM

hxxp://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/

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I'm buying the second for my Falcons home games!

DaddyTorgo · 08-13-2007, 08:33 PM

ESPN is reporting Vick's other 2 co-defendents scheduled hearings to enter plea agreements.

byebye Mike

Young Drachma · 08-13-2007, 08:35 PM

Atocep · 08-13-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ESPN is reporting Vick's other 2 co-defendents scheduled hearings to enter plea agreements.

byebye Mike

Vick reportedly has a plea offer on the table and has until Friday to accept it. If he doesn't he's going to be served with another indictment.

DaddyTorgo · 08-13-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Vick reportedly has a plea offer on the table and has until Friday to accept it. If he doesn't he's going to be served with another indictment.

course if he accepts a plea he'll end up with an NFL-suspension anyways (hopefully long-term)

Honolulu_Blue · 08-13-2007, 09:43 PM

Depending on the deal on the table, if I were him, I think I'd take it. With the other three guys already have accepted their plea bargains, you have to imagine the Feds have a pretty strong case. I also imagine that the deal for the last guy in wont be quite as sweet as it was for the first guy.

StarBuck · 08-13-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Yes, it is a shame. I remember that GB playoff game like it was yesterday. That was one of the more amazing playoff performances I've ever seen, and I was still a fan of his until I learned of this cruelty to animals.

Same in our house. In fact we had a little Vick figurine made by some artist. I admired his leadership and talent. Now I hope he goes to jail for a long time. Waste of a life.He did not need to live like a thug, and he crossed the line and was into the sadistic abuse of many, many innocent lives. Poor things.
No excuse for his behavior.

Vinatieri for Prez · 08-14-2007, 04:31 AM

Is the figurine now a chew toy?

miami_fan · 08-14-2007, 08:40 AM

FIGHT IT MIKE! SHOW 'EM YOU AIN'T NO PUNK! SHOW 'EM YOU ARE HARDCORE

Acutally he may want to throw himself on the mercy of the court. I think he is screwed. I just want to see the circus a trial would be.

Bee · 08-14-2007, 08:54 AM

If Vick does reach a plea agreement, would he still face a harsher sentence than the others since he is the one that allegedly bankrolled the whole operation?

spleen1015 · 08-14-2007, 09:47 AM

The government shouldn't even let him plea out of it. Get his ass good.

albionmoonlight · 08-14-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

If Vick does reach a plea agreement, would he still face a harsher sentence than the others since he is the one that allegedly bankrolled the whole operation?

Impossible to say at this point. The way federal sentencing works is that you are found guility or plead guilty to a crime.

Then, the probation office researches the case and makes a recommendation to the judge about your sentence based on a number of factors, including your criminal history, and your role in the offense. The judge then decides the sentence based in large part on that recommendation.

From what we know now, I think that it is impossible to know what his sentence might be if he does plead guilty.

Noble_Platypus · 08-14-2007, 09:55 AM

It would be poetic justice if he ended up in prison with the "big dogs" there taking a bite out of his ass, dont you think?

StarBuck · 08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

It would, heh.
They should make him fight them, and if he loses or doesn't fight well, string him up and taser his ass, dunk his head in a bucket, put him in a sack and use him for training, all those kind things he and his low life friends did to so many animals.

Noble_Platypus · 08-14-2007, 04:19 PM

Maybe they can make him use the rape stand

Brillig · 08-14-2007, 04:39 PM

Actually, I'd be a little surprised if Vick pled out at this point. With all three of his co-defendents pleading guilty, it seems like there's not much in the way of a deal available for Vick.

Furthermore, it's a dream situation for his lawyers - if Vick fights the case and wins, it's a miracle for the defense team. If he loses, well, the case was unwinnable anyway. There's no way for his lawyers to lose. And if there's one thing we've learned about Vick, it's that he's easily led by others. His lawyers will want to fight it, and it'd take a monumental inspiration of good sense on Vick's part to realise he's already screwed.

07-31-2007, 04:35 AM	#410
14ers High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2006	I wonder how many Pro Athletes Vick can take down with him? Will Vick start naming names to save his own skin, or just out of spite? Something tells me Vick will not be the only Pro Athlete to go down if he ends up in court. __________________ I like the company I keep when I am alone. 'The Blonde Bomber'

07-31-2007, 10:17 AM	#415
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	They have concessions at these dog fights? And if so what's the big seller? Nachos? Colt 45 maybe? Cotton candy? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

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08-02-2007, 11:51 AM	#427
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08-02-2007, 03:04 PM	#429
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Definitely need foods that leave a hand free for operating the rape stand. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

07-30-2007, 04:12 PM	#401
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Who the hell is Art Schlichster?

07-30-2007, 06:44 PM	#406
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So the Court House is their god? Those Ohioans are pretty weird.

07-31-2007, 02:16 AM	#409
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Yes, this is correct. His benefit is two-fold. He is virtually guaranteed a lower sentence from the judge because of his plea and cooperation AND more importantly, the prosecution will not be including him in the additional charges which could add several years to the already 5-6 max years Vick and his other cohorts are facing.

07-31-2007, 10:01 AM	#411
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I hear you. [Looks in Peyton Manning's direction]

07-31-2007, 10:04 AM	#412
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Yeah, there has to be more pro athletes invovled in dog fighting if it has become more prevalent in today's society... [Looks in Tom Brady's direction]

07-31-2007, 10:27 AM	#417
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The short of federal sentencing is that it is very hard for a defendant to obtain a guarantee of a lesser sentence because so much of the sentence can be based on conduct related to your crime but not actually contained in your plea agreement or the jury verdict. (As a quick example, if you plead guilty to illegal possession of a firearm, and the government can show at sentencing that you used the firearm to facilitate drug transactions, then you can be sentenced as if you had plead guilty to the drug transactions--not simply for the firearm possession). In addition, the judge maintains control of sentencing. The prosecutor can recommend things, and the judge normally listens, but the theory is that you are being sentenced by the court (i.e. the judicial arm of the state, not the executive arm). The prosecutor does not have the power to sentence--so he cannot promise to do or not do anything. That said, judges and lawyers know that the system will break down if people are not rewarded for beneficial activity (mostly, helping bring down others and pleading guilty yourself to save the state the time and expense of a trial). Accordingly, it is very very likely that this co-defendant, by coming forward early and (assumedly) providing beneficial information and a willingness to testify, will end up with a lesser sentence than he would otherwise. So, no guarantee, but if I were this guy's laywer, I'd have no problem rolling the dice for a good deal. One thing that this plea signifies is that the govt. probably does have a solid case. You don't make any deal this quickly if you think that there is a chance that you could win at trial. You would at least take the time to investigate.

08-02-2007, 10:29 AM	#422
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hush puppies?

08-02-2007, 11:48 AM	#425
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I know they definitely wouldn't have hot fudge chocolate sundaes. Those are a messy food.

08-02-2007, 04:14 PM	#431
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	What if a similar situation occured at one of these dog fights?

08-02-2007, 06:01 PM	#432
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Any thoughts on what McNabb said about the Vick case? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080102193.html

08-02-2007, 09:49 PM	#433
Noble_Platypus College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: York, Pa	He is an ass. __________________ We had the $240, we had to have the puddin'

08-02-2007, 10:15 PM	#434
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I'm sure Mad Dog 20/20 will be at the concession stand as well. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

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08-13-2007, 08:33 PM	#436
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ESPN is reporting Vick's other 2 co-defendents scheduled hearings to enter plea agreements. byebye Mike

08-13-2007, 08:35 PM	#437
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Ugh.

08-13-2007, 09:43 PM	#440
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Depending on the deal on the table, if I were him, I think I'd take it. With the other three guys already have accepted their plea bargains, you have to imagine the Feds have a pretty strong case. I also imagine that the deal for the last guy in wont be quite as sweet as it was for the first guy. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

08-14-2007, 04:31 AM	#442
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Is the figurine now a chew toy?

08-14-2007, 08:40 AM	#443
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	FIGHT IT MIKE! SHOW 'EM YOU AIN'T NO PUNK! SHOW 'EM YOU ARE HARDCORE Acutally he may want to throw himself on the mercy of the court. I think he is screwed. I just want to see the circus a trial would be. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

08-14-2007, 08:54 AM	#444
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	If Vick does reach a plea agreement, would he still face a harsher sentence than the others since he is the one that allegedly bankrolled the whole operation?

08-14-2007, 09:47 AM	#445
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	The government shouldn't even let him plea out of it. Get his ass good.

08-14-2007, 09:55 AM	#447
Noble_Platypus College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: York, Pa	It would be poetic justice if he ended up in prison with the "big dogs" there taking a bite out of his ass, dont you think? __________________ We had the $240, we had to have the puddin' Last edited by Noble_Platypus : 08-14-2007 at 04:18 PM.

08-14-2007, 03:42 PM	#448
StarBuck H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Outer Planets	It would, heh. They should make him fight them, and if he loses or doesn't fight well, string him up and taser his ass, dunk his head in a bucket, put him in a sack and use him for training, all those kind things he and his low life friends did to so many animals. __________________ I'm in ur raiders, flying ur ships ~Save a Bat~ http://www.batworld.org Last edited by StarBuck : 08-14-2007 at 03:43 PM.

08-14-2007, 04:19 PM	#449
Noble_Platypus College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: York, Pa	Maybe they can make him use the rape stand __________________ We had the $240, we had to have the puddin'

08-14-2007, 04:39 PM	#450
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Actually, I'd be a little surprised if Vick pled out at this point. With all three of his co-defendents pleading guilty, it seems like there's not much in the way of a deal available for Vick. Furthermore, it's a dream situation for his lawyers - if Vick fights the case and wins, it's a miracle for the defense team. If he loses, well, the case was unwinnable anyway. There's no way for his lawyers to lose. And if there's one thing we've learned about Vick, it's that he's easily led by others. His lawyers will want to fight it, and it'd take a monumental inspiration of good sense on Vick's part to realise he's already screwed.

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