Official 2021-2022 College Basketball thread

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Agreed probably Kansas vs Duke. Maybe Unc.

It's a bit premature, but if UNC defeats St. Peters tomorrow night, they will advance to the Final Four and play Duke. It's hard to believe that two of the most storied programs in college basketball history have never met in the NCAA tournament. In the 47 tournaments since the NCAA took multiple teams from each conference (beginning in 1975), Duke and Carolina have combined for 58 Sweet 16 appearances, 27 Final Fours and 10 National Championships. Yet they have never played each other in the NCAA tournament.

[Edward64]

Good run Hogs, no complaints here.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Golly, I'm just completely shocked about this

Hardaway, Memphis face multiple Level I, II charges by the NCAA

https://dailymemphian.com/article/27...ges#/questions

Feels very much like another attempt of the NCAA desperately trying to hang on to relevance or something more sinister. Much like the discussion about Kelvin Sampson earlier, this seems very quaint given the current environment.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Feels very much like another attempt of the NCAA desperately trying to hang on to relevance or something more sinister.

Honestly, I really wish the NCAA would just disband/dissolve/whatevertheword.

People wanted the Wild West, let 'em have it. Leave it with 'em.

And I hope it all burns to the ground completely. Better to not exist than be what it has become afaic.

[sterlingice]

Yay, Miami gets to flop

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[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

This isn't something that would bother me as a player but it is throwing me off that the ball in this Texas Southern - TAMU-CC game looks almost yellow.

I spoke way too soon on this ball impacting players. I think they're using old school Voit rubber basketballs for no reason whatsoever.

[Lathum]

I just learned the Miami Hurricanes have a player named McGusty.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Feels very much like another attempt of the NCAA desperately trying to hang on to relevance or something more sinister. Much like the discussion about Kelvin Sampson earlier, this seems very quaint given the current environment.

Adidas announces creation of wide-reaching NIL network - Sports Illustrated

Pretty much. Penny could get a NBA job though and there's no other college program he'd coach besides this one, much like Juwan at Michigan. That said, that program has long been a shady mess, so why was it supposed to stop now? Wild they weren't able to leverage his recruiting into more success, but the college basketball landscape now isn't 1960 and the NCAA is a relic. There need to be rules, but good luck finding consensus in this environment.

[sterlingice]

My god. That second half

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

My god. That second half

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I dozed off about three minutes in to the second half and woke up to a 30 point lead.

[tarcone]

Conspiracy theory: NCAA told refs that they want a Duke UNC game after they positioned the teams to be right where they are. A dramatic and awesome going away present.

EDIT: I realized it is the semi final game and not the final.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Coastal Carolina will face a familiar foe in the semis of the Basketball Classic-fellow Sun Belt member South Alabama at their place. They only played once during the regular season due to COVID, and lost by 4. If they win they will face the winner of UTEP and the Youngstown State/Fresno State winner.

And a 3 pointer sends Coastal and South Alabama into OT tied at 60


Edit: And another 3 pointer with 1 second left seals the game for the Chants 69-68 and they move on the Finals of the Basketball Classic!

[sterlingice]

You guys are having one heck of a sports year

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[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

You guys are having one heck of a sports year

SI

Yes its going to suck when they all have a down season.



Coastal gets Fresno State in the finals after they crushed Southern Utah. And they get home court advantage again when they play in Conway on Thursday

[sterlingice]

Why in the world did #1 seed South Carolina have to play #2 seed UConn in Bridgeport in the Women's Elite Eight?

It's one thing if, say, #8 seed North Carolina was placed in Raleigh as you don't expect a #8 seed to make it there. But as a #2 seed?

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[Ksyrup]

NC State, not South Carolina. But yes, it's total BS. You earn a #1 seed so the most dominant women's program of the past 2 decades, the #2 seed, can have a home game. It was a 10K sellout crowd and I bet 9750 of them were UConn fans. They got screwed.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

NC State, not South Carolina. But yes, it's total BS. You earn a #1 seed so the most dominant women's program of the past 2 decades, the #2 seed, can have a home game. It was a 10K sellout crowd and I bet 9750 of them were UConn fans. They got screwed.

I was just using UNC as an example since they were a low seed on the men's side. Like if UNC had been playing St. Peters or even a higher seed like Purdue in Raleigh, you'd just chalk it up to weird luck since they were a low seed.

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[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

NC State, not South Carolina. But yes, it's total BS. You earn a #1 seed so the most dominant women's program of the past 2 decades, the #2 seed, can have a home game. It was a 10K sellout crowd and I bet 9750 of them were UConn fans. They got screwed.

A clear screw job by the NCAA selection committee. One of two things should have happened:

1. UConn as a #1 seed, playing in the Bridgeport regional with Louisville as the #2 seed in that regional. NC State as a #1 seed in the Wichita regional.

2. UConn as a #2 seed, playing in the Wichita Regional with Louisville as the #1 seed.

The first scenario is probably what should have happened. Louisville lost to NC State during the regular season and didn't even make it to the ACC Championship game. Either way, you don't give a #2 seed a defacto home game against a #1 seed in a regional final.

[Young Drachma]

They said it was something about the S-Curve, but you all know that it was about the revenue curve. The Athletic covered it. Essentially "we're too cheap to send them elsewhere" and also "cash rules everything.." I don't know how anyone in that room didn't speak up, but...so it goes.

Committee chair Nina King, the athletic director at Duke, explained earlier this month that UConn got placed into the Bridgeport Regional because of the S-curve, a method that ensures higher-seeded teams are in brackets with lower-seeded teams. South Carolina, the top overall seed, would get its closest site in Greensboro, with No. 2 overall seed Stanford playing in Spokane. NC State was the No. 3 team overall and is located closer to Bridgeport than Wichita — and UConn was the sixth overall seed, and a No. 6 should be matched with a No. 3 for balance.

“We take into account fan experience, student-athlete welfare, modes of transportation, whether it’s a drive or a fly,” King said. “There’s a variety of things that we certainly take into account and have a lot of discussion around, and certainly UConn and Bridgeport was one of those that we spent a lot of time on ensuring that we got it right.”

Didn't realize St. Bonaventure made the NIT Semis, good for them.

[sterlingice]

Hey! We've reached some semblance of equality. The committee arbitrarily trots out the s-curve mostly for bs reasons in both men's /and/ women's basketball as it's clear they don't apply it fairly for either

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[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

They said it was something about the S-Curve, but you all know that it was about the revenue curve.

What's left out is how the committee cherry-picks their own NET ratings, which are supposed to be the primary analytic for the overall seeds of the 68 teams. NC State won the ACC regular-season and tournament championships. They were a clear No. 2 in the NET, and only South Carolina has a better record against top-25 NET opponents. In fact, the final NET rankings had 1. South Carolina, 2. NC State, 3. Stanford and 4. UConn. So they slide NC State into the #3 overall seed and Stanford into #2 overall. Move UConn down to #6. After the reverse engineering has concluded, they say "Well, when we placed the teams in the regionals, we were just following the S-Curve. Bridgeport was the closest regional for NC State, and since UConn was the #6 overall seed they were paired with NC State". How convenient.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

What's left out is how the committee cherry-picks their own NET ratings, which are supposed to be the primary analytic for the overall seeds of the 68 teams.

Nope.

The NET is one of many resources/tools available to the committee in the selection, seeding and bracketing process. Computer models cannot accurately evaluate qualitative factors such as games missed by key players or coaches, travel difficulties and other effects of specific games.

Each committee member independently evaluates a vast amount of information during the process to make individual decisions. It is these qualitative, quantitative and subjective opinions -- developed after hours of personal observations, discussion with coaches, directors of athletics and commissioners, and review and comparison of various data -- that each individual ultimately will determine their vote on all issues related to selections, seeding and bracketing.

It is _a_ tool, not _the _ tool.

If they choose to ingore it entirely or if they choose to value it above all else, that is entirely up to each voting member of the committee.

[tarcone]

Guess what? If you dont lose you become the national champion.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Nope.



It is _a_ tool, not _the _ tool.

If they choose to ingore it entirely or if they choose to value it above all else, that is entirely up to each voting member of the committee.

I see. So there was no conscious effort to flip-flop NC State and Stanford at #2 and #3 and bump UCONN down to #6 so that they could conveniently say they were just following the protocol for placing the seeds. For a minute, I thought there might have been some seed manipulation going on there to ensure that UCONN got to play in the Bridgeport Regional. I'm glad to see that it was just mere coincidence.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yes its going to suck when they all have a down season.



Coastal gets Fresno State in the finals after they crushed Southern Utah. And they get home court advantage again when they play in Conway on Thursday

Coastal will have to wait until Friday because the weather has been so bad in the South, Fresno State couldn't get here for Thursday's game, which is probably a good thing because we are supposed to get our share of wind and rain today anyway.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Coastal will have to wait until Friday because the weather has been so bad in the South, Fresno State couldn't get here for Thursday's game, which is probably a good thing because we are supposed to get our share of wind and rain today anyway.

And the party's over They were down most of the game, and for a lot of the second half by 20, but pulled back to 7 before Fresno took control again and won 85-74.



I wasn't expecting a postseason for this team, let alone making it to the Finals, so pretty happy with how their season ended.

[miami_fan]

It will never be any better for Tar Heel fans.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

It will never be any better for Tar Heel fans.

Although Coach K's legacy is firmly cemented, I'm sure that ending his career with a two game losing streak to UNC will stick in his craw for a long, long time.

[albionmoonlight]

It seems really weird to say that the national championship game is house money. But that’s how it feels. Kansas could win by 20 on Monday, and I’m still smiling ear to ear about this season.

[tarcone]

A kid in one of my classes told me, before the start of the tourney, that Iowa would lose in the 1st and NC was going to win it all.

Rain man.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It seems really weird to say that the national championship game is house money. But that’s how it feels. Kansas could win by 20 on Monday, and I’m still smiling ear to ear about this season.

I'd be very happy if the team felt that way, too. I'd be fine to settle for a natty as a "consolation prize" and makeup for losing the tournament in 2020

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[JPhillips]

Coach K losing his last game makes the whole tourny worthwhile.

[Vegas Vic]

Another quirk of the Final Four: Both teams in the national championship game tomorrow night are coached by guys who succeeded Roy Williams.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Coach K losing his last game makes the whole tourny worthwhile.

Agree 100%.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Another quirk of the Final Four: Both teams in the national championship game tomorrow night are coached by guys who succeeded Roy Williams.

It's the Huckleberry Hound Bowl!

[Brian Swartz]

Wow. Guess I just don't get the hate but, almost every coach loses their last game? I would get it if they lost in the second round or something.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Wow. Guess I just don't get the hate but, almost every coach loses their last game? I would get it if they lost in the second round or something.

Despite the link title, the interesting part is what's currently at the top of it: how there are only eight major sport coaches who won their final game

John Wooden, Bill Walsh, Scotty Bowman, Al McGuire, Tom Osborne, Red Auerbach, Toe Blake, and Buck Shaw.
Kansas vs. North Carolina predictions, expert picks: NCAA championship 2022 odds, spread for March Madness - CBSSports.com

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Despite the link title, the interesting part is what's currently at the top of it: how there are only eight major sport coaches who won their final game

John Wooden, Bill Walsh, Scotty Bowman, Al McGuire, Tom Osborne, Red Auerbach, Toe Blake, and Buck Shaw.
Kansas vs. North Carolina predictions, expert picks: NCAA championship 2022 odds, spread for March Madness - CBSSports.com

Is there an article about that subject? I assume this is limited to coaches in championship games, not just final game ever right?

[cuervo72]

Jim Caldwell won his last game.

[albionmoonlight]

The math on that is interesting and something I had not thought about.

Every year, half the teams would lose their final regular season game.

Then, out of the ones who won their final regular season game and made the playoffs, only one of those would win their final game.

So I guess in every given year, most teams/coaches will lose their final game. The only ones who won't will be the ones who (1) didn't make the playoffs but randomly won their last regular season game, or (2) won the title.

Historically, you would have a better return in baseball (less teams make playoffs) and old-time college football (no playoffs).

[Ksyrup]

If you count bowl games as basically winning the last regular season game but not making a playoff, the number increases quite a bit, I would assume.

For instance, Bobby Bowden won his last game, but it was a glorified exhibition.

[Lathum]

The fact that a sports title game starts at 9:20 EST is ridiculous.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The fact that a sports title game starts at 9:20 EST is ridiculous.

Someone needs to talk to MLB about this, too

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[tarcone]

I hate to say that I am rooting for Kansas, but the alternative is way worse.

[Ksyrup]

In true Lexington fashion, it has been noted multiple times the past couple days that UK beat both of these teams on neutral or away floors by a combined 47 points and one of the news stations ran a poll asking which team you want to see lose more.

[Ksyrup]

Has anyone coined the term Auto-Manek yet?

[Lathum]

would be nice if Kansas could make a lay up

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

would be nice if Kansas could make a lay up

It looks like the lid came off the basket (finally)

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[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Has anyone coined the term Auto-Manek yet?

Nice! Claim it.

[sterlingice]

YES!!!

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