2013 College Football Offseason thread - Page 9

Tigercat · 08-06-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Child sex offense and battery convictions are black and white. You either have them or you don't. And if you have them, you're eligible to play football for LSU (subject to a vote by your peers, apparently) And I imagine his status as a football player helped him with sentencing as well.

It (the sexual offense) happened before he even signed a LOI for LSU. And yes, a misdemeanor sexual offense and/or battery charge can't automatically bar you from a LSU football scholarship. Or an academic scholarship, for that matter.

molson · 08-06-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

It (the sexual offense) happened before he even signed a LOI for LSU.

That actually makes LSU look even worse.

(Edit: looking into it, I guess he got the blowjob from the child, then committed to LSU, THEN he was arrested/charged. So LSU didn't necessarily know about it at the time he signed on. Though they did obviously decide to keep him on. But it doesn't seem like THAT decision was as controversial as the one to keep him on after punching the guy and laughing about it. I think the latter isn't quite as bad at the former. I can't believe a major college football program like that has a guy with a child sex conviction on the roster.)

Logan · 08-06-2013, 02:52 PM

More coming out. The third one is the most potentially damning.

An East Coast broker played ESPN two videos of Johnny Manziel signing Texas A&M football and helmets and said he paid Manziel about $7,500
— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013

On video, which was shopped but not purchased, Johnny Manziel is heard saying "you never did a signing with me" and not to tell anyone.
— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013

Johnny Manziel is heard being asked if he would take extra cash for special inscriptions, but Manziel says it would lead to questions
— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013

Broker alleges he spent about an hour on three visits to Manziel's hotel room, having more than 300 items signed
— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013

HomerSimpson98 · 08-06-2013, 03:27 PM

motherfucker

Lathum · 08-06-2013, 03:46 PM

Vegas dropped the A&M win total from 9.5 to 7. He's fucked.

panerd · 08-06-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Vegas dropped the A&M win total from 9.5 to 7. He's fucked.

It's actually on the board though? 7 seems like a super value bet even with another QB. Their schedule is pretty light... outside of Alabama and LSU the rest of their opponents are pretty weak.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-06-2013, 03:55 PM

Poor Johnny "Fucking" Football.

I think these rules are pretty silly, but they are the rules.

Lathum · 08-06-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

It's actually on the board though? 7 seems like a super value bet even with another QB. Their schedule is pretty light... outside of Alabama and LSU the rest of their opponents are pretty weak.

I thought I heard that on the radio but could be mistaken

Logan · 08-06-2013, 04:15 PM

the power of Jay Bilas - after pulling down the NCAA's pants (see here: http://t.co/ILgXOwmO5e ) they REMOVED THE SEARCH BAR from the site.
— Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) August 6, 2013

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2013, 04:17 PM

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

Logan · 08-06-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

Plenty to see, but until we see cash...

cartman · 08-06-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

No, there is nothing to see here re: Missouri Football.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

No, there is nothing to see here re: Missouri Football.

Oh, I see what you did there!

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2013, 05:57 PM

dola

Looks like A&M odds are being pulled off the board in Vegas. They dropped from 9.5 to 7 today and now they're not taking bets.

cartman · 08-06-2013, 06:03 PM

A&M has retained the law firm that Auburn used during the Cam Newton saga.

Texas A&M retains law firm for Johnny Manziel matter

molson · 08-06-2013, 06:32 PM

"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker.

The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules."

So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him.

Edit: I think they're going to need more than an "autograph broker" (who won't talk to them anyway) before they do anything.

bhlloy · 08-06-2013, 06:33 PM

I imagine he's going to get paid under the table for not talking to the NCAA

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker.

The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules."

So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him.

Or they could hire him on like they did with the Shapiro lawyer in the Miami case.

BishopMVP · 08-06-2013, 06:41 PM

Unless these videos surface publicly, and actually involve Manziel taking money or explicitly asking for it, I don't see how he gets suspended more than 2 games.

(And I can add that on to the Jeremy Hill story - he wouldn't be the poster boy for people getting in to bar fights and Gregg Doyel wouldn't be writing about him unless that video went public.)

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Unless these videos surface publicly, and actually involve Manziel taking money or explicitly asking for it, I don't see how he gets suspended more than 2 games.

(And I can add that on to the Jeremy Hill story - he wouldn't be the poster boy for people getting in to bar fights and Gregg Doyel wouldn't be writing about him unless that video went public.)

I don't think these videos will stay private for long. Someone will pay this guy what he wants for the exclusive rights.

Matthean · 08-06-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I don't think these videos will stay private for long. Someone will pay this guy what he wants for the exclusive rights.

There's no way they stay private. None.

BishopMVP · 08-06-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

There's no way they stay private. None.

Sure there is. An A&M booster offers more money than TMZ. But more importantly, if it's just Manziel signing items and the asking for/exchange of money occurs off-camera I don't see the NCAA acting expediently or suspending him more than those first 2 games.

bhlloy · 08-07-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Sure there is. An A&M booster offers more money than TMZ.

dingdingding. Or Manziel's family, if they have money. Or the agent he's already going to sign with next year. The NCAA's going to have to get a subpoena to even sniff those tapes and he's going to walk.

Matthean · 08-07-2013, 01:08 AM

Tapes that are known about don't stay hidden these days.

nol · 08-07-2013, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

dingdingding. Or Manziel's family, if they have money. Or the agent he's already going to sign with next year. The NCAA's going to have to get a subpoena to even sniff those tapes and he's going to walk.

This is my favorite part of the whole saga. The rich parents thing has been the magic bullet that explains away all of the jet-setting offseason stories. They're such enablers that they wanted to get JFFMOM and JFFDAD license plates. If his parents are wealthy enough to finance his regiment of courtside seats, concert tickets, and rounds at Pebble Beach (and clearly have no issue with doing so), why would he even take the time to sign autographs for $10k when he could just ask for it?

panerd · 08-07-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nol

This is my favorite part of the whole saga. The rich parents thing has been the magic bullet that explains away all of the jet-setting offseason stories. They're such enablers that they wanted to get JFFMOM and JFFDAD license plates. If his parents are wealthy enough to finance his regiment of courtside seats, concert tickets, and rounds at Pebble Beach (and clearly have no issue with doing so), why would he even take the time to sign autographs for $10k when he could just ask for it?

Even though he is incredibly famous and seems to come from a lot of money I am not sure that JFF 20-year old differs that much from a normal 20-year old. i.e. Who wouldn't love to have $10,000 party money on the side?

Lathum · 08-07-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Even though he is incredibly famous and seems to come from a lot of money I am not sure that JFF 20-year old differs that much from a normal 20-year old. i.e. Who wouldn't love to have $10,000 party money on the side?

Not to mention he likely feels like he has a right to profit from his own success.

Logan · 08-07-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker.

The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules."

So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him.

Edit: I think they're going to need more than an "autograph broker" (who won't talk to them anyway) before they do anything.

This is my favorite line in relation to the brokers:

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe 15h

Two autograph brokers who shared their stories with me said Johnny Manziel is a good guy and they hope he plays this season

Awesome.

CraigSca · 08-07-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Tapes that are known about don't stay hidden these days.

What about the tape of the Toronto mayor smoking crack? That one never got released.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-07-2013, 10:37 AM

This is getting downright embarrassing for the NCAA....

NCAA selling Reggie Bush autographs from vacated bowl game - NFL.com

Edit: Here's the string of embarrassments from Jay Bilas as it happened yesterday....

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...n-case-photos/

molson · 08-07-2013, 10:43 AM

I love how the NCAA is itself a shady autograph broker. Maybe they're the same one trying to bring down Manziel.

Logan · 08-07-2013, 11:19 AM

And we're off...

If Johnny Manziel signed bulk autographs, was he the only one? - Good Bull Hunting

Matthean · 08-07-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

And we're off...

If Johnny Manziel signed bulk autographs, was he the only one? - Good Bull Hunting

In one of the stories the broker or whoever was at or on their way to the title game. This is not even remotely an isolated incident.

Logan · 08-07-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

In one of the stories the broker or whoever was at or on their way to the title game. This is not even remotely an isolated incident.

Saw a post on another board I read where a guy said that he has a friend who is involved in this all the time. It always takes place in hotel rooms, they bring the kid in, he signs a bunch of stuff, he gets cash, and he leaves. Said he did it with Ingram and Richardson at Alabama, but also with many others.

Guy wasn't bragging or doing so to make claims against players...but in a "no big deal, everyone does this" way. And as long as these kids aren't morons (hello Johnny), everything is fine and the game keeps going.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-07-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

And as long as these kids aren't morons (hello Johnny), everything is fine and the game keeps going.

I must have missed something. In this scenario, what did Manziel do differently than any of the other players? I thought this only came to light because a broker was shopping tape of it?

CU Tiger · 08-07-2013, 08:12 PM

Johnny signed 300+ for 4 different brokers.
It happens at every school, hell I can give you the names of the signature hounds at Clemson and SCar....the difference is Johnny got greedy and played with several different guys and told each he was exclusive to them, hence devaluing their investment.

I've also been told that, Johnny Football allegedly told one sleaze ball he wanted new "blades" on his SUV that cost $6,0000 and Dad said he was stupid...

Matthean · 08-08-2013, 12:19 AM

TCU coach Gary Patterson not a fan of LSU voting on discipline - ESPN Dallas

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"My whole team would vote Devonte to be back on the team because they all want to win," Patterson said. "That doesn't teach life lessons."

Atocep · 08-08-2013, 12:54 AM

Pitt lost its 13th player since the start of spring drills. Pitt people saying more are expected to leave. Chryst has supposedly inherited a mess of a locker room and he's trying to clean up the culture there. With the way he's recruiting it could be rough the next couple of years.

nol · 08-08-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Even though he is incredibly famous and seems to come from a lot of money I am not sure that JFF 20-year old differs that much from a normal 20-year old. i.e. Who wouldn't love to have $10,000 party money on the side?

What I meant is that $10k evaporates pretty quickly when you're doing Johnny Football things. I just thought it was funny how the media is getting worked up over this original figure -- they need to give themselves room to get even more outraged when the inevitable investigation reveals that the $10,000 was just the tip of the iceberg

Lathum · 08-08-2013, 07:34 AM

This all shows stupidity on so many levels. Apparently he wanted new rims for his car and his Dad wouldn't buy them. Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

Matthean · 08-08-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This all shows stupidity on so many levels. Apparently he wanted new rims for his car and his Dad wouldn't buy them. Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

It does answer the question why he would be asking for money when his parents already have it. Maybe he wants to spend it on things his parents don't want him to.

JPhillips · 08-08-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

Same as his plan for everything else: "Fuck you, I'm Johnny Football."

Lathum · 08-08-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Same as his plan for everything else: "Fuck you, I'm Johnny Football."

my thoughts exactly, which makes it an even dumber decision since NFL teams will love that attitude.

Suburban Rhythm · 08-08-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Pitt lost its 13th player since the start of spring drills. Pitt people saying more are expected to leave. Chryst has supposedly inherited a mess of a locker room and he's trying to clean up the culture there. With the way he's recruiting it could be rough the next couple of years.

The Todd Thomas thing is really odd...came out of nowhere.

Chryst must have some sort of guarantee that he's good for 4-5 years or something. Otherwise, sure, cleaning house and doing it "your way" is nice, but after a couple 2-9 seasons, there won't be a house to clean any longer.

Dr. Sak · 08-08-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

The Todd Thomas thing is really odd...came out of nowhere.

Chryst must have some sort of guarantee that he's good for 4-5 years or something. Otherwise, sure, cleaning house and doing it "your way" is nice, but after a couple 2-9 seasons, there won't be a house to clean any longer.

He came back...

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...l-team-698620/

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-08-2013, 11:58 PM

Interesting read....

SEC Coaches Talk Anonymously About Conference Foes for 2013 | AthlonSports.com

Buccaneer · 08-09-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Not to mention he likely feels like he has a right to profit from his own success.

He also has the right to break rules or be above them and expect no consequences? Just like with professional sports, big-time college sports live by a different set of rules because the rewards are so great. The comparisons to normal 20-yr olds (at least those that break rules and laws) is silly.

BillJasper · 08-09-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

He also has the right to break rules or be above them and expect no consequences? Just like with professional sports, big-time college sports live by a different set of rules because the rewards are so great. The comparisons to normal 20-yr olds (at least those that break rules and laws) is silly.

While my thinking on compensating players has changed over the years, this guy took a scholarship knowing what the current rules are. If they were too restrictive then he should do something other than play college football.

If it's found that he broke those rules then he should be punished accordingly.

MrBug708 · 08-10-2013, 01:12 AM

Tough break for USC as Marquise Lee leaves practice with a hurt shoulder. If it's anything serious, Kif better be getting his resume ready for the Cowboys or Seahawks

Kodos · 08-10-2013, 08:08 AM

I can tell you are devastated.

08-06-2013, 02:52 PM	#403
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	More coming out. The third one is the most potentially damning. An East Coast broker played ESPN two videos of Johnny Manziel signing Texas A&M football and helmets and said he paid Manziel about $7,500 — Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013 On video, which was shopped but not purchased, Johnny Manziel is heard saying "you never did a signing with me" and not to tell anyone. — Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013 Johnny Manziel is heard being asked if he would take extra cash for special inscriptions, but Manziel says it would lead to questions — Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013 Broker alleges he spent about an hour on three visits to Manziel's hotel room, having more than 300 items signed — Joe Schad (@schadjoe) August 6, 2013

08-06-2013, 03:55 PM	#407
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Poor Johnny "Fucking" Football. I think these rules are pretty silly, but they are the rules. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

08-06-2013, 04:15 PM	#409
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	the power of Jay Bilas - after pulling down the NCAA's pants (see here: http://t.co/ILgXOwmO5e ) they REMOVED THE SEARCH BAR from the site. — Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) August 6, 2013

08-06-2013, 06:03 PM	#415
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	A&M has retained the law firm that Auburn used during the Cam Newton saga. Texas A&M retains law firm for Johnny Manziel matter __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-06-2013, 06:32 PM	#416
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker. The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules." So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him. Edit: I think they're going to need more than an "autograph broker" (who won't talk to them anyway) before they do anything. Last edited by molson : 08-06-2013 at 06:35 PM.

08-06-2013, 03:27 PM	#404
HomerSimpson98 High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cowtown, TX	motherfucker

08-06-2013, 03:46 PM	#405
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vegas dropped the A&M win total from 9.5 to 7. He's fucked.

08-06-2013, 04:17 PM	#410
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

08-06-2013, 05:57 PM	#414
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	dola Looks like A&M odds are being pulled off the board in Vegas. They dropped from 9.5 to 7 today and now they're not taking bets.

08-06-2013, 06:33 PM	#417
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I imagine he's going to get paid under the table for not talking to the NCAA

08-06-2013, 06:41 PM	#419
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Unless these videos surface publicly, and actually involve Manziel taking money or explicitly asking for it, I don't see how he gets suspended more than 2 games. (And I can add that on to the Jeremy Hill story - he wouldn't be the poster boy for people getting in to bar fights and Gregg Doyel wouldn't be writing about him unless that video went public.)

08-07-2013, 01:08 AM	#424
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Tapes that are known about don't stay hidden these days. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

08-07-2013, 10:37 AM	#430
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	This is getting downright embarrassing for the NCAA.... NCAA selling Reggie Bush autographs from vacated bowl game - NFL.com Edit: Here's the string of embarrassments from Jay Bilas as it happened yesterday.... http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...n-case-photos/ Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-07-2013 at 10:39 AM.

08-07-2013, 10:43 AM	#431
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I love how the NCAA is itself a shady autograph broker. Maybe they're the same one trying to bring down Manziel.

08-07-2013, 11:19 AM	#432
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	And we're off... If Johnny Manziel signed bulk autographs, was he the only one? - Good Bull Hunting

08-07-2013, 08:12 PM	#436
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Johnny signed 300+ for 4 different brokers. It happens at every school, hell I can give you the names of the signature hounds at Clemson and SCar....the difference is Johnny got greedy and played with several different guys and told each he was exclusive to them, hence devaluing their investment. I've also been told that, Johnny Football allegedly told one sleaze ball he wanted new "blades" on his SUV that cost $6,0000 and Dad said he was stupid... Last edited by CU Tiger : 08-08-2013 at 06:58 AM.

08-08-2013, 12:54 AM	#438
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Pitt lost its 13th player since the start of spring drills. Pitt people saying more are expected to leave. Chryst has supposedly inherited a mess of a locker room and he's trying to clean up the culture there. With the way he's recruiting it could be rough the next couple of years.

08-08-2013, 07:34 AM	#440
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	This all shows stupidity on so many levels. Apparently he wanted new rims for his car and his Dad wouldn't buy them. Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

08-08-2013, 11:58 PM	#446
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Interesting read.... SEC Coaches Talk Anonymously About Conference Foes for 2013 \| AthlonSports.com

08-10-2013, 01:12 AM	#449
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Tough break for USC as Marquise Lee leaves practice with a hurt shoulder. If it's anything serious, Kif better be getting his resume ready for the Cowboys or Seahawks

08-10-2013, 08:08 AM	#450
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I can tell you are devastated. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

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