09-12-2011, 06:56 AM | #4701 |
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Interesting. For some reason I thought Stanford was the PAC-10/12's Duke equivalent where they were routinely against any kind of expansion every time.
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09-12-2011, 07:49 AM | #4702 |
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With Notre Dame and Texas supposedly forming a budding relationship and the Big East obviously wanting to get into Texas, I find it hard to believe that the Big East would not let Texas put its non-football sports in the Big East.
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09-12-2011, 08:21 AM | #4703 |
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So Saturday I turn on the TV around 3:45 and find exactly ONE college football game on, Alabama / Penn State. US Open tennis is on CBS, MLB baseball is on Fox, and I forget what was on the other network.
Check back around 7:15, and there are NO college football games on broadcast TV. All this moving to ESPN, cable networks, and conference networks shown only on cable means very little college football watching for me.
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09-12-2011, 08:58 AM | #4704 |
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I watch broadcast TV for the local news, and that's about it.
I had no less than 4-5 games to watch at any point on Saturday. And that wasn't counting what I could watch on my computer, too. It was great. If I had to watch only broadcast TV sports, I'd blow my brains out. The only thing worse than no baseball would be listening to Tim McCarver.
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09-12-2011, 09:29 AM | #4705 | |
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Texas still has plenty of options. . . there are major roadblocks to the Big10 though.Start with the Longhorn network competing with the Big10's own network. Throw in Nebraska and the pressure they will push for and the only way Texas goes to the Big10 is if it's on a 100% equality scale. The Pac12 may budge a little bit on some of those things. I don't see the Big10 doing it at all. |
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09-12-2011, 10:07 AM | #4706 |
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I got to see UNC-RU on a local-ish channel (810 in HD for the Atlantans with comcrap). There were quite a few options on later in the day, but it was unusual with a full day of make-up tennis (usually it's just the ladies final).
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09-12-2011, 10:31 AM | #4707 |
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I don't think so. When Scott says the Pac-12 is perfectly happy as is I don't think it's just negotiating through the media. If Texas comes west it means the LHN is no more. And I'm not sure if that's a decision that's made in Austin or Bristol. |
09-12-2011, 10:36 AM | #4708 | |
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It is in the language of the contract that if Texas moves to a different conference, then the LHN is bound to the bylaws of that conference regarding member/conference networks.
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09-12-2011, 10:51 AM | #4709 | |
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Right, and the Pac-12 has stated that they want to keep 100% ownership of their channels and no school can have a network of their own. So I don't see how the LHN, even in name only form, can exist in a Pac-16. I know the thought was that the LHN just becomes the Texas region network, but how can Tech be an equal partner in "THE LONGHORN NETWORK"? |
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09-12-2011, 10:55 AM | #4710 |
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09-12-2011, 11:42 AM | #4711 | |
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there is also no way USC and UCLA, who just gave up their higher pay, with equal revenue will allow Texas to just come on in and get a bigger share than they do. It's the Pac-12 way or go away at this point for Texas. |
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09-12-2011, 11:54 AM | #4712 | |
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But what about Oklahoma, which has gotten the highest amount of shared revenue in the Big 12 four out of the past five seasons? There seems to be this perception that Texas gets by far the biggest piece of the pie of the shared revenue in the Big 12, and that isn't the case.
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09-12-2011, 12:14 PM | #4713 |
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Amazingly awesome rumor that is almost too good to be true but Starr told Boren to go F himself, and now if OU does stay, part of the deal is that Baylor is expelled.
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09-12-2011, 12:22 PM | #4714 |
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Is that done through some sort of impeachment proceeding?
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09-12-2011, 12:42 PM | #4715 |
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09-12-2011, 12:49 PM | #4716 |
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It's fun to look back at this thread at look at all the insider proclamations. My favorite was UConn confirmed as the #12 team in the big 10. And whatever happened to Rutgers "delivering the NYC market" to someone? Talk of "footprints" has declined about 50%, thankfully.
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09-12-2011, 12:51 PM | #4717 |
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These and college football recruiting threads are always the best. Everyone knows someone who is never wrong about stuff who ends up being wrong in every prediction made in the thread.
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09-12-2011, 12:54 PM | #4718 | |
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That would have been the CW affiliate, WUPA-69. I wondered who the viewer was The game did a 1.0 HH rtg in the ATL, managing to finish 4th among broadcast networks. Miss St-Auburn won the time period with a 6.8, the tennis drew a 2.5 for the whole day (closer to a 2.0 during game hours), followed by "Paid Programming" on WSB which got a 1.2 On the bright side, the ACC (syndicated pkg) game of the week did manage to beat on paid programming on the NBC affiliate, Access Hollywood/TMZ on the Fox affiliate and nipped the airing of Osmosis Jones
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09-12-2011, 01:54 PM | #4719 |
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09-12-2011, 02:08 PM | #4720 | |
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Both the Big Ten and the Pac-12 and ESPN will figure out how to roll the LHN into their existing networks and continue equal revenue sharing if Texas decides they want to join up. |
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09-12-2011, 03:58 PM | #4721 | |
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I think it would play out well for those fan bases. Two huge rivalries stay intact and the hatred between those four schools on a North/South level would likely blossom even further than it already has both on and off the field. Mizzou obviously would consider the Pac-XX the third option after B10 and SEC in that order, but the SEC would be a much better option if KU came along rather than TT. Keeping the oldest rivalry west of the Mississippi intact with a MU/KU would be a good thing. Add in the OU/UT match and you've got a lot to work with there while allowing some of the original Pac-8 to play each other more often. |
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09-12-2011, 04:30 PM | #4722 | |
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Same for them too, but no one is talking/hearing a word about OU wanting a bigger share of the pie or wanting to keep a network for themselves either. |
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09-12-2011, 04:33 PM | #4723 | |
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I haven't heard anything about Texas wanting a bigger share of the pie. That seems to be an assumption that is being taken as fact. It shouldn't be a roadblock, as it was Nebraska that wanted to keep the imbalanced revenue sharing in place at the formation of the Big 12. As for the network, it is also established that if they move conferences, then the bylaws of that conference will apply to bringing in the LHN. The contract already has those provisions in place.
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09-12-2011, 07:29 PM | #4724 | |
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Update from Purple Cat on the B10 negotiations with UT, ND, and OU.......
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09-12-2011, 07:34 PM | #4725 |
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Heard on KC radio that OU has Pac-XX expansion on the agenda for next Monday's Board of Curators meeting. Also reporting that Mizzou Board of Curators kicked media out of tonight's meeting for an emergency executive session. Likely to discuss conference options. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 09-12-2011 at 07:36 PM. |
09-12-2011, 07:40 PM | #4726 |
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A&M officially accepted. That may be why the sudden flood of meeting info......
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09-12-2011, 07:58 PM | #4727 |
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Wow. Pieces are falling quick now. Local sports radio says OSU expected to have board meeting to vote on Pac-XX move 1-2 days after OU meeting. Both OU and OSU expect unanimous vote to move to Pac-XX.
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09-12-2011, 07:58 PM | #4728 | |
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That is why the whole thing fell apart last year. Tx wanted a bigger share (i.e. Their own network) |
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09-12-2011, 08:09 PM | #4729 |
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Sounds like UT has until the OU meeting on Monday to decide whether it's coming along to the Pac-XX. OU plans to go either way............
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09-13-2011, 07:49 AM | #4730 |
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So after the flurry of statements last night, what we're waiting for is OU to make a move. They may really want to go to the PAC-xx, but even if that's true, do they have to guts to be the team that puts an end to the Big 12. aTm is actually in a decent position right now, because without them, the Big 12 can still theoretically survive. If OU goes it would take OSU, and that's the end of the Big 12. So it will be interesting to see if they want to leave bad enough that they'll make the move to blow everything up.
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09-13-2011, 09:11 AM | #4731 |
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LOL at Purple Cat.
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09-13-2011, 09:37 AM | #4732 | |
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It's surprising to me how big a deal it appears to be to every university that it not be the one that breaks up the Big 12. I mean, anyone following the situation (in other words, anyone who cares enough for the dissolution of the Big 12 to matter) knows that it's not any one school responsible, or at least at worst, UT with its network is mostly responsible. No matter who actually pulls the trigger, the underlying causes and responsibility lie with many universities and entities not affiliated with the conference.
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09-13-2011, 09:48 AM | #4733 | |
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It's only a matter of when at this point. SoonerScoop reported that the OU/UT meeting on Sunday was nothing more than a meeting to let UT know what they were doing and to allow UT a few days to decide what they're going to do. OU/OSU are gone. What UT does decides where Mizzou goes. |
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09-13-2011, 09:58 AM | #4734 |
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Any rumors/info on whether the SEC is serious about sticking with 13, at least in the short term? My initial reaction is that's just posturing so no one can say they are actively pursuing #14. I can't possibly believe they would go with 13, even for 1 year.
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09-13-2011, 10:07 AM | #4735 |
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The Big Televen went with an odd number for a while.
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09-13-2011, 10:13 AM | #4736 |
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The Big Televen was a one division conference.
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09-13-2011, 10:23 AM | #4737 | |
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It's just posturing. The Auburn comment about moving to the East was a PR move to set the stage for the MU acceptance assuming they don't go to the Pac-XX. WV will jump in a heartbeat if MU goes west. |
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09-13-2011, 10:51 AM | #4738 | |
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This cracks me up, too. Anyone remember what caused the Southwest Conference to die? SI
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09-13-2011, 10:56 AM | #4739 |
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Another article discussing UT's options now that OU/OSU are basically gone. Amazing that UT has overplayed their hand so far to the point where they are left with no really good options assuming the Pac-XX holds firm on 'no LHN'.
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09-13-2011, 11:04 AM | #4740 |
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All this talk about Texas and the ACC has me concerned.
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If that is their strategy they are insane. A Pac-12 that can get Oklahoma regardless is going to tell Texas where they can stick their LHN. The only hope Texas has is remaining a package deal with Oklahoma and it looks like that ship might have sailed.
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09-13-2011, 11:27 AM | #4743 |
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C'mon? UT is "left with no really good options"? They may not get their perfect landing spot but I think they'll land comfortably on their feet SI
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09-13-2011, 11:45 AM | #4745 | |
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Have to agree that it's pretty laughable that in MBBF's world Mizzou will be fine but Texas has no good options. I personally believe they both will come out ok (as will KU) but I am quite clear that in the pecking order... Texas >> Missouri. |
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09-13-2011, 11:48 AM | #4746 |
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The point seems to be that Texas will have a hard time duplicating the deal they have now in terms of keeping the LHN and all the money it comes with. I don't see that as being too difficult to understand.
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09-13-2011, 11:51 AM | #4747 | |
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ACC isn't a good option. Heavy travel. Pac-XX is a great option, but Texas admin seems to be hell-bent on holding on to LHN. If so, that option isn't available. Independent is good for football, but leaves the rest of the programs in a real quandry with no good options. I agree that they'll land somewhere, but they could have done this in a way that allowed them MUCH better options right now than how this ended up. I'm not sure anyone has done any worse than Texas given the starting point of the schools involved. |
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09-13-2011, 12:00 PM | #4748 | |
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Anyone that can't see how Mizzou is in a much better position than Texas right now simply isn't paying attention. Mizzou has three legitimate options as far as a destination. All three have a TV budget that meets or exceeds MU's current take in the Big 12. That's very important because it doesn't require any budget cuts. Texas has put itself in a quandary with the LHN. Their only really good conference option is saying no at this point because of the LHN. Assuming that stays, the other two options are two conferences that both are not a geographic fit and both cannot replace the current budget needs that the LHN income + current conference revenue allows. Independent causes problems for the rest of the athletic programs at UT. I'm not crying for them in any way, but this has been an extreme mismanagement (and misjudgment) of the situation by UT brass. My guess would be that they finally bail on the LHN and head to the Pac-XX in the end. That's their best choice of what's left with the least risk. |
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09-13-2011, 12:06 PM | #4749 | |
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Eh, as a Mizzou fan I don't think I am counting my chickens before they hatch. We are hardly high on the Big Ten's list, the SEC has several schools besides us dying to get in, and the Pac-10 would have to have a couple schools drop out before we get chosen. Obviously I want to end up in one of the three (actually outside of late tv I'm now hoping the Pac-10. Big Ten football bores me) but its less than a year since we were a "lock" for the Big Ten. (The first several hundred posts in this thread can refresh your memory on how that one went) |
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The Big 10 isn't even a consideration due to what went down last year. The SEC most definitely would include us when they expand to 16 (and probably even as a 14th). The Pac-XX would prefer MU over TT, but if UT goes, TT goes with them (which sends MU to the SEC). Third option is the Big East. Certainly not a terribly appealing option, but still an option. |
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