FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, I don't think AlexB's edit post was about racism. But please tell me how Rainmaker's post, which you quoted and responded to, about headstarts in the middle of posts talking about how to think and deal with racial differences in success was not about race.

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[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yeah, I don't think AlexB's edit post was about racism. But please tell me how Rainmaker's post, which you quoted and responded to, about headstarts in the middle of posts talking about how to think and deal with racial differences in success was not about race.

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If you have decided that only white people have headstarts and only black people have disadvantages, I simply cannot help you.

[thesloppy]

"I'm not racist, I'm just willfully obfuscating a discussion about race issues"

Congratulations?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

If you have decided that only white people have headstarts and only black people have disadvantages, I simply cannot help you.

So you think Rainmaker's post was about all people having headstarts, or in the midst of a conversation about race, it was about the headstarts white people get?

And furthermore do you think all people who do not have headstarts (whether due to class, race, gender, country or origin) aren't even trying?

[cuervo72]

I don't think that's the point? The point is that by-and-large, many, many more White people get that head start. Not that absolutely no Black people ever happen to be raised with (some) privilege.

Well, we let one Black start from the "easy" line. Guess our work is done here.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

"I'm not racist, I'm just willfully obfuscating a discussion about race issues"

Congratulations?

If only discussions about race could be more streamlined in this country...

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And furthermore do you think all people who do not have headstarts (whether due to class, race, gender, country or origin) aren't even trying?

I know there's a decent number of people who don't have headstarts aren't even trying.

I also know that there is a decent number of people who don't have headstarts who are excelling.

And even a decent number of those that end up in "alternative" schooling also end up excelling past where they "came from".

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

I'll never say why aren't you winning, I'll ask why aren't you even trying?

Originally Posted by illinifan999

I know there's a decent number of people who don't have headstarts aren't even trying.

So which is it? The folks who aren't winning aren't trying or a "decent number" of non winners aren't trying? And what percentage is that decent number you'd estimate? If it's a "decent number" then that implies that there are people who try and don't win, right? So then why would you ask a non winner if they weren't even trying? Do you think that no obstacles matter in the relationship between trying and winning? Or if you do, which obstacles matter?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So which is it? The folks who aren't winning aren't trying or a "decent number" of non winners aren't trying? And what percentage is that decent number you'd estimate? If it's a "decent number" then that implies that there are people who try and don't win, right? So then why would you ask a non winner if they weren't even trying? Do you think that no obstacles matter in the relationship between trying and winning? Or if you do, which obstacles matter?

A non winner is one who isn't trying. If you are beating people up, robbing, murdering, otherwise maiming people, selling drugs then you aren't trying. When you go to school and you try, you improve your life. I have not met or interacted with a single person in my life (And remember, I've had the fortunate reality of meeting people from literally every single walk of life due to my profession), that has regretted graduating high school.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

A non winner is one who isn't trying. If you are beating people up, robbing, murdering, otherwise maiming people, selling drugs then you aren't trying. When you go to school and you try, you improve your life. I have not met or interacted with a single person in my life (And remember, I've had the fortunate reality of meeting people from literally every single walk of life due to my profession), that has regretted graduating high school.

So is your position is everyone who isn't winning isn't trying? There is no one out there who is trying but isn't winning?

Because Rainmaker's post talked about people running the race who weren't winning.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

If only discussions about race could be more streamlined in this forum...

FTFY

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So is your position is everyone who isn't winning isn't trying? There is no one out there who is trying but isn't winning?

Because Rainmaker's post talked about people running the race who weren't winning.

If you are losing, you are not trying. Yes. Do you think it is too much to ask to not murder, rape, or otherwise maim another human, or sell drugs?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

If you are losing, you are not trying. Yes. Do you think it is too much to ask to not murder, rape, or otherwise maim another human, or sell drugs?

Do you think all people who are losing are murdering, raping, maiming people or selling drugs? What about the mom working 3 jobs and still is barely making above the poverty line? Is her losing in the race of success due to her committing some sort of secret violent crime?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Do you think all people who are losing are murdering, raping, maiming people or selling drugs? What about the mom working 3 jobs and still is barely making above the poverty line? Is her losing in the race of success due to her committing some sort of secret violent crime?

That mom is not murdering, raping, maiming people or selling drugs....

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

That mom is not murdering, raping, maiming people or selling drugs....

So what's your reason for why she's not winning?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So what's your reason for why she's not winning?

I don't know what winning is. If she's working though, I don't think she's losing.

[ISiddiqui]

So let's go back to Rainmaker's post that you replied to where you said you would ask why aren't you even trying:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Anyone can succeed. The issue is that we are a running a race and some get massive headstarts. Then we point to those who didn't and say why aren't you winning?

You either want a meritocracy or you don't.

And now you are claiming:

Originally Posted by illinifan999

I don't know what winning is. If she's working though, I don't think she's losing.

Do you want to rephrase? Because apparently you had no idea what Rainmaker's post was about.

Though I'll have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to the backtrack. But even you have to realize just how ridiculous you sound.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So let's go back to Rainmaker's post that you replied to where you said you would ask why aren't you even trying:



And now you are claiming:



Do you want to rephrase? Because apparently you had no idea what Rainmaker's post was about.

Though I'll have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to the backtrack. But even you have to realize just how ridiculous you sound.

No. And no. You sound ridiculous.

[GrantDawg]

This whole recent thread made me think of Micheal Scott:
Office discrimination Clip 1 - YouTube

[JPhillips]

If selling drugs makes you a loser, how do we reconcile all of the people in the marijuana business now, including a former U.S. House Speaker?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

If selling drugs makes you a loser, how do we reconcile all of the people in the marijuana business now, including a former U.S. House Speaker?

Maybe your statement would have more meaning if you used a more acceptable line of work as your example

[RainMaker]

The Sackler family is worth $13.5 billion and have generations that will never have to work a day in their life. I'd say that is a drug dealer who won.

[thesloppy]

Tough to reason around the handful of shootings at these protests. I am kinda surprised at the relatively lacksadaisical media coverage....I think everybody's been kinda dreading a shooting happening at these events and how it could set off some kind of powder keg, but several protest-related shootings have happened and they're really not getting all that much news play from any outlet.

To wit, the top headline on FoxNews.com is about some loaded magazines being found abandoned in a park near the Portland protests....you would think people actually being shot would merit more coverage than the potential of people getting shot? Obviously civilians shooting each other is different than conflict between civilians & police/troops, but it's certainly still something I am concerned about.

That said, I did have a fear that shootings would potentially start a domino affect and that the media would of course feed into that, playing it up & highlighting any kind of action as some kind of race/class war shitstorm, and I don't exactly want to complain about that not happening either. Just feels a little odd that people have started shooting each other at these protests and it's being collectively presented as a footnote.

[RainMaker]

Conspiracy theorists were right on this one.

Police: 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite Floyd rioting - StarTribune.com

[Kodos]

Let's hope they crucify that guy.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Conspiracy theorists were right on this one.

Police: 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite Floyd rioting - StarTribune.com

Well some were... I guess we'll conveniently ignore those who pushed the St. Paul Police Officer and state sponsored narratives.

Really not sure why he wasn't charged & named yet, but sounds like it'll happen soon.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm guessing that's why he said they were right on THIS one...

[Radii]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/us/wh...ake/index.html

Extremely good read imo.

[NobodyHere]

If there was any part of me that supported BLM it is now gone

Portland Drive-In Fest Flunks ‘Kindergarten Cop’ Over “Overpolicing” – Deadline

[Brian Swartz]

Because of that? I think that's quite an overreaction.

I support BLM's aim of reducing police violence and raising awareness of that problem while not favoring the implicit racism or the overt attack on their family that is a big part of their platform. I think it's only fair to recognize the things they are correct about, as well as those parts of the movement that are poisonous.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

If there was any part of me that supported BLM it is now gone

Portland Drive-In Fest Flunks ‘Kindergarten Cop’ Over “Overpolicing” – Deadline

You had no part that supported it to begin with. And is Leveen someone big in BLM movement in Portland? Because that seems to be the only person mentioned.

Not to mention Kindergarten Cop is a terrible movie.

[JPhillips]

I was going to support Blue Lives Matter, but then I saw a tweet from the guy that draws Dilbert.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Not to mention Kindergarten Cop is a terrible movie.

Blasphemer!




This is just another example of how our country truly is divided.

[sterlingice]

Amazing how this thread is either bumped for something really dumb to paint some protesters in as bad a light as possible or, you know, someone getting their brains beaten in. But, you know, logically equivalent.

SI

[RainMaker]

This could go in the NBA thread too I guess. Cop was the one who initiated with Masai. Filed a bogus lawsuit and had collected a ton in workman's compensation for a fake injury.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/new-video-...-shoving-match

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This could go in the NBA thread too I guess. Cop was the one who initiated with Masai. Filed a bogus lawsuit and had collected a ton in workman's compensation for a fake injury.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/new-video-...-shoving-match

I hope the punishment is swift and just for this d-bag.

[JPhillips]

Hysterical that the Sherriff's Department is still saying Masai was the aggressor.

[thesloppy]

I believe I read that even that dude's wife sued someone over that incident, for his inability to complete his marital duties afterwards. no joke.

[sterlingice]

Is it paranoia if the cops really are spying on you?

Activists find camera inside mysterious box on power pole near union organizer’s home

A fellow activist got suspicious, climbed a ladder, opened it up and discovered a camera inside. Cathey told FOX 13 it was pointing in the direction of his family’s property. “I am pretty sure they were most definitely surveilling me and other activists that meet on this street with me” said Cathey.

After five emails on Monday and Tuesday MLGW [Memphis Light, Gas and Water] sent this response:

“The camera in question was actually an MPD covert camera they installed temporarily and did not go through the normal attachment process. MPD would normally handle a covert camera installation through MLGW, however these cameras were only temporary for MPD and can be put up quickly and removed quickly by MPD as well.”

Of course, in a city that has already gotten in trouble a bunch for spying on black reporters and activists for years:
The Police Have Been Spying on Black Reporters and Activists for Years. I Know Because I’m One of Them. — ProPublica

SI

[JPhillips]

The Kenosha shooting video sure looks bad.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Kenosha shooting video sure looks bad.

Yeah. They are going to argue that the vehicle was a deadly weapon. I don't think that is going to go over too well.

[albionmoonlight]

https://apnews.com/2262f803692a574ec...cc174397f?s=09

Nice to see the government not over-reacting to violent protests and allowing citizens to express their views, even if a few of them go a bit too far.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

https://apnews.com/2262f803692a574ec...cc174397f?s=09

Nice to see the government not over-reacting to violent protests and allowing citizens to express their views, even if a few of them go a bit too far.

Yep, no double standards here

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

https://apnews.com/2262f803692a574ec...cc174397f?s=09

Nice to see the government not over-reacting to violent protests and allowing citizens to express their views, even if a few of them go a bit too far.

The one black guy looks like a blueberry stain on a white sheet.

If it was the other way around Fox News would be acting like the world was ending and your front door on Main Street USA was going to be next.

[NobodyHere]

I'm throwing this here instead of the NBA thread

Sources: Players association in active talks with players about logistics of potentially boycotting games

So boycotts usually have some kind of goal right? They end when some sort of action is taken.

So what would be the endgame here? What exact demands would they make?

[CU Tiger]

Yeah I dont understand the intent, maybe they just havent expressed their viewpoint yet.

Same with the Detroit Lions walkout yesterday.

Its a situation where I 100% support their message, but oppose their method.
Maybe Im just jaded, but I see NFL players who make very good to great money and their only primary job responsibility is a couple hours a day right now. To refuse to practice and complain about the issue is less impactful to me, than to come out after practice and give up your most valuable asset, your free time, to make your point.

Again maybe Im alone, it just felt weird to me. 'I feel so opposed to this horrific treatment I am going to refuse to work as a pro athlete' that doesnt sound like a message that is very empathetic and effective to most listeners.

Reminds me of the kids who are too sick to go to school bust just fine to practice after school.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I'm throwing this here instead of the NBA thread

Sources: Players association in active talks with players about logistics of potentially boycotting games

So boycotts usually have some kind of goal right? They end when some sort of action is taken.

So what would be the endgame here? What exact demands would they make?

As it said in the article it seems this is more about wanting to express their pain. Kind of like after 9/11 where baseball games were canceled longer than necessarily needed to provide safety - it was just felt like it wasn’t right to play baseball right after.

I don’t know if the NBAPA has programmatic changes beyond that - individual players may have some things they want (ending qualified immunity, etc).

[JPhillips]

What were the exact demands of the Selma marches?

[RainMaker]

Mass shooting in Kenosha left 2 dead last night.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Mass shooting in Kenosha left 2 dead last night.

I saw the video of the militia guy responsible. Also caught on video was police being very chummy with the militia guys, giving them water, and letting them know they were going to push the protesters their direction.