Vermont 4th state to legalize Gay Marriage

RendeR · 04-07-2009, 02:34 PM

Vermont Legalizes Gay Marriage - NYTimes.com

Didn't see a thread for this yet, thought it pertinent to see that this is the first state that has done so through normal legislation and not had the courts invoke it.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-07-2009, 02:43 PM

Didn't Iowa just do this too?

Good on them.

larrymcg421 · 04-07-2009, 02:45 PM

Iowa did it through the courts. Not that I have a problem with it. That's actually what the courts should be doing.

Pumpy Tudors · 04-07-2009, 02:46 PM

Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.

Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-07-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Iowa did it through the courts. Not that I have a problem with it. That's actually what the courts should be doing.

Ah, right.

DeToxRox · 04-07-2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.

Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.

I hear Vermont is keen on black and WHITE marriages.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-07-2009, 02:49 PM

Look me in the eye and tell me this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.

And this:

Are completely unrelated.

I DARE U

Pumpy Tudors · 04-07-2009, 02:50 PM

maybe i can just die

DaddyTorgo · 04-07-2009, 02:52 PM

yay vermont!

DaddyTorgo · 04-07-2009, 02:52 PM

and iowa!

Flasch186 · 04-07-2009, 02:54 PM

the Horra!

Honolulu_Blue · 04-07-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.

This made me laugh.

RainMaker · 04-07-2009, 03:22 PM

One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.

Klinglerware · 04-07-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.

I believe that some states (and individual towns and cities who have tried to issue marriage licenses independent of state) have taken this into consideration, though I can't cite an example.

RendeR · 04-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Look me in the eye and tell me this:

And this:

Are completely unrelated.

I DARE U

I keep seeing this photo and the I dare you bit, WTF is this about?

ISiddiqui · 04-07-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.

That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution

.

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).

Pumpy Tudors · 04-07-2009, 07:43 PM

Let's just pretend that that picture doesn't exist, OK?

RainMaker · 04-07-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution

.

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).

Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.

ISiddiqui · 04-07-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.

That is the market participant exception to the Dormant Commerce Clause (and, of course, college tuition does fall under interstate commerce as you offering it to anyone who gets accepted from any state). Privilege and Immunities apply to basic rights and unless a state says there is a state Constitutional right to higher education, they most likely wouldn't fall under that provision.

SackAttack · 04-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution

.

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).

That would be Art 4, Sec 1, Clause 1, sir.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.

If I had to guess, the tuition thing probably ties into tax subsidization. In-state students, they (or their parents) have been indirectly subsidizing public institutions with their tax dollars.

Out-of-state students have not, and so the higher tuition rate probably reflects the fact that they're benefiting from the quality of an institution they have not previously supported.

RainMaker · 04-07-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

That is the market participant exception to the Dormant Commerce Clause (and, of course, college tuition does fall under interstate commerce as you offering it to anyone who gets accepted from any state). Privilege and Immunities apply to basic rights and unless a state says there is a state Constitutional right to higher education, they most likely wouldn't fall under that provision.

Damn, you know your stuff.

I guess it still might help a state financially to have people coming in. You have to eat and sleep somewhere. Plus the gays love to shop.

Illinois needs to join the club and get people to Chicago to pay our sweet 11% sales tax.

ISiddiqui · 04-07-2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I guess it still might help a state financially to have people coming in. You have to eat and sleep somewhere. Plus the gays love to shop.

Yep. One of the issues that came out of the Prop 8 stuff was how much money California would lose from gay tourists who came to the state to get married, and then, of course, spent their honeymoon there.

And in a recession, that was especially important to consider.

Crapshoot · 04-07-2009, 10:23 PM

Either way good news. The rednecks and bigots have one more thing to whine about.

RendeR · 04-07-2009, 10:32 PM

I was most impressed by the fact that the Governor vetoed it and the house and senate overuled him and got it right without resorting to court orders to do so.

Chalk one up for the good guys doing it the normal way!

M GO BLUE!!! · 04-07-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I keep seeing this photo and the I dare you bit, WTF is this about?

Dare him & find out.

Lathum · 04-07-2009, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Chalk one up for the good guys doing it the normal way!

funny choice of words

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