The 2013-2014 NFL Offseason/Coaching/Free Agency (non-draft) Thread - Page 7

BillJasper · 01-19-2014, 03:13 PM

At least Cleveland is being entertaining this off-season:

Report: Browns willing to trade up for Manziel | ProFootballTalk

I think it's becoming obvious why Chudzinski was fired and their having a tough time bringing in someone else: they want a figure-head with the front office having all the power and there aren't many willing to walk into that situation willfully.

Matthean · 01-19-2014, 06:32 PM

But do they really need to trade up for him?

Apathetic Lurker · 01-19-2014, 08:14 PM

Houston or Jacksonville might take him

BillJasper · 01-19-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

Houston or Jacksonville might take him

I don't think he gets by Jacksonville.

Apathetic Lurker · 01-19-2014, 09:21 PM

Neither do I...He will put fannies in the seats....Even if he is just a bit better than Gabbert he will entertain.

bhlloy · 01-19-2014, 09:22 PM

Although to be fair everyone thought Jacksonville would jump all over Tebow for the same reason and they've resisted even when they could pick him up for veteran's minimum salary.

Not than Manziel isn't better than Tebow, but I don't think the Jags are primarily concerned with which QB puts fans in the seats.

Vince, Pt. II · 01-19-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Although to be fair everyone thought Jacksonville would jump all over Tebow for the same reason and they've resisted even when they could pick him up for veteran's minimum salary.

Not than Manziel isn't better than Tebow, but I don't think the Jags are primarily concerned with which QB puts fans in the seats.

This.

Although now they seem convinced that they need a QB, and before they were still sold on Gabbert. We'll see.

Abe Sargent · 01-19-2014, 11:14 PM

Don't forget that was a different general manager and owner that passed on Tebow. After a new owner arrived, he had teh GM make a play for Tebow, and the pick was higher than the Jets pick, but Tebow chose not to head to J-ville. Then a new Gm was brought in who quelled any rumors on Tebow in his first presser when he said there was no way he could see Tebow on the roster. Ended all speculation.

britrock88 · 01-19-2014, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Wow, fellas, let me tell you. Things ain't right up in Cleveland. I sat down with Haslam for 2 hours this morning and we talked about what scheme I like to run and what I thought of the current personnel.. I was pretty honest with him, told him what I thought without pulling any punches. He sat for a minute after I went on a little rant and then said "Let's go get lunch". So we're eating at this kinda seedy place called Tommy's Pizza and Chicken and he is just tearing through his medium veggie pan while I answer more questions at length.. Questions about my family, my experience, all that. He learns I have thought about coaching a successful pop warner team for a few years and that gets him to stop stuffing his face for a minute and he just straight up says "You want the job?" I spat my coke across the table, costing me hundreds of dollars worth of primo columbian snow. He snorted it off his coat, I said "Lets get this deal done then. I'm ready to take this team where it has never been, Jim."

That's when he flipped his shit. The rest of the flake that hadn't been scattered before exploded as everything on the table went flying in this slow motion flash of rage. As he stood up, he swept the table clean in one Bruce Lee motion and exploded with this scratchy, throat ripping scream that had somewhere in it "NEVER FUCKING CALL ME JIIIIIMMM!!!!" Between the spit flying from his mouth and the veins busting out of his neck and forehead I couldn't control myself and just started laughing hysterically, which made him rage even harder. He stumbled his way out from the booth and raised his fist to hit me as I leaned away, but his lawyer was with us and caught him, pushing him toward the door and waving off the employees that had come over to try and diffuse the situation. I must have laid there for a good 5 minutes laughing while they tried to ask me if I was okay before I got up, dusted my blazer and just left. I got a phone call from the guy.. Curiously, I never got his name, but a short time after, here he was asking me to keep the incident to myself and offering to pay for my troubles, but I just hung up and threw the phone away. It was one of the most surreal mornings of my life and I am still trying to figure out what I just experienced. I've had bad interviews, I have seen obviously confused vagrants babble incoherently to random people at a bus stop.. I have watched a guy jack off in the subway while staring intensely at this meek elderly lady who seemed strangely turned on the whole time.... I have NEVER seen anything as alien to my concept of rational behavior as what I saw in Jimmy's eyes. They were cartoon crazy, so absolutely hilarious.. My god. Maybe I was supposed to be scared, but my natural reaction was to just crack up so hard that I think I actually pulled something because my left side hurts like hell right now.

I'm about to get back on the plane to go back to Asheville.. But I think I'll be lost in the repetition of that image replaying in my head as I kick back a couple bottles of airplane wine. I'm light headed and feel like I am watching things from further inside my head than where my eyes are.

The fact that no one has talked about this makes me think everyone missed it.

Honolulu_Blue · 01-21-2014, 11:36 AM

The Lions have hired Joe Lombardi - grandson of Vince and New Orleans QB coach - as their new offensive coordinator.

I have cooled off a bit in terms of the Caldwell hire. I still don't love it. I am over losing out on Whisenhunt. One of the three issues - the other two being term/money and amount of control over personnel - that apparently drove Whisenhunt's decision to go to Tennessee over Detroit was that he wanted to implement a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with a 3-4 defense. Many teams have been successful with that scheme. But the Lions just don't have the personnel for it right now. The Lions have spent 3 first round picks on d-linenmen in three of the last four drafts. They were drafted to play in a 4-3 and switching would likely be a bad use of the Lions few defensive assets.

cuervo72 · 01-21-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

The fact that no one has talked about this makes me think everyone missed it.

Teaser from Deadspin: "There's a good chance you--yes, you!--might be the Browns' next head coach. What will be your first move?" I'm now not so sure that's not a true account from JR...

Bobble · 01-21-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Lions have hired Joe Lombardi - grandson of Vince and New Orleans QB coach - as their new offensive coordinator.

I have cooled off a bit in terms of the Caldwell hire. I still don't love it. I am over losing out on Whisenhunt. One of the three issues - the other two being term/money and amount of control over personnel - that apparently drove Whisenhunt's decision to go to Tennessee over Detroit was that he wanted to implement a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with a 3-4 defense. Many teams have been successful with that scheme. But the Lions just don't have the personnel for it right now. The Lions have spent 3 first round picks on d-linenmen in three of the last four drafts. They were drafted to play in a 4-3 and switching would likely be a bad use of the Lions few defensive assets.

I can't get excited about Lombardi until I hear they've hired a verified psychic medium to channel Vince for us.

Matthean · 01-21-2014, 02:06 PM

Gase withdrew his name from the Browns' search, but I can't get excited over a guy who's biggest claim to fame is having Peyton as his QB. He was part of the Lions staff for 5 seasons as well.

Honolulu_Blue · 01-21-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

I can't get excited about Lombardi until I hear they've hired a verified psychic medium to channel Vince for us.

I can neither get excited or not get excited, because, to be honest, before I read about him today I didn't know Vince Lombardi had a grandson or that he was the quarterbacks coach in New Orleans.

BillJasper · 01-21-2014, 02:43 PM

Browns to interview Dirk Koetter for head-coaching job | ProFootballTalk

Cleveland, you're long nightmare is almost over!

Bobble · 01-21-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Browns to interview Dirk Koetter for head-coaching job | ProFootballTalk

Cleveland, you're long nightmare is almost over!

Welcome back, Koetter.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-21-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Browns to interview Dirk Koetter for head-coaching job | ProFootballTalk

Cleveland, you're long nightmare is almost over!

And possibly so is Atlanta's

flere-imsaho · 01-22-2014, 08:28 AM

Zing!

RomaGoth · 01-22-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Lions have hired Joe Lombardi - grandson of Vince and New Orleans QB coach - as their new offensive coordinator.

I have cooled off a bit in terms of the Caldwell hire. I still don't love it. I am over losing out on Whisenhunt. One of the three issues - the other two being term/money and amount of control over personnel - that apparently drove Whisenhunt's decision to go to Tennessee over Detroit was that he wanted to implement a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with a 3-4 defense. Many teams have been successful with that scheme. But the Lions just don't have the personnel for it right now. The Lions have spent 3 first round picks on d-linenmen in three of the last four drafts. They were drafted to play in a 4-3 and switching would likely be a bad use of the Lions few defensive assets.

I am half thinking that the Lombardi hire is better than the Caldwell hire. Lombardi worked closely with Drew Brees for several years, that must count for something right?

Still on the fence with Caldwell. I just hope that in 3-5 years I am not right back here posting about which guy the Lions will hire as head coach.

stevew · 01-22-2014, 10:51 PM

Still waiting for the Browns to get hot on Tod Haley.

stevew · 01-23-2014, 12:20 AM

Or also wondering what TSoF is doing and what the Browns haven't called. Isn't he someone's DC now? Can't remember his real name, only that he really wanted to wear a suit. Mike something?

NobodyHere · 01-23-2014, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I am half thinking that the Lombardi hire is better than the Caldwell hire. Lombardi worked closely with Drew Brees for several years, that must count for something right?

Still on the fence with Caldwell. I just hope that in 3-5 years I am not right back here posting about which guy the Lions will hire as head coach.

I mean Caldwell worked with Peyton Manning years and that worked out terrific right?

At least Caldwell has gotten to the Superbowl though as a HC, perhaps he can maybe get a playoff win?

stevew · 01-23-2014, 07:27 AM

Browns supposedly found someone to say yes to the dress. Mike Pettine, whomever that is.

Bobble · 01-23-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Lombardi worked closely with Drew Brees for several years, that must count for something right?

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I mean Caldwell worked with Peyton Manning years and that worked out terrific right?

But with those two guys, that can't count for much. "What do you want to do here Drew/Peyton? Good idea, let's do that."

It's like the difference between building a space shuttle and watching one.

Buccaneer · 01-23-2014, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

It's like the difference between building a space shuttle and watching one.

I like that simple analogy.

Julio Riddols · 01-23-2014, 08:45 AM

Pettine made his name as a disciple of Rex Ryan, and I thought Buffalo's D was improved last year in his first year there, but they were terrible against the run. It is a trend for Pettine defenses, his defenses have gotten worse against the run every year he has coached.. But his pass defense was among the best in the league, so he does have a track record of that. I don't know anything about him really, but Buffalo fans don't want him to go.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Pettine made his name as a disciple of Rex Ryan, and I thought Buffalo's D was improved last year in his first year there, but they were terrible against the run. It is a trend for Pettine defenses, his defenses have gotten worse against the run every year he has coached.. But his pass defense was among the best in the league, so he does have a track record of that. I don't know anything about him really, but Buffalo fans don't want him to go.

I think desperation has set in. At this point, they might as well go hire Jim Tressel. At least the fanbase would get to watch a fantastic flame out.

MacroGuru · 01-23-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Pettine made his name as a disciple of Rex Ryan, and I thought Buffalo's D was improved last year in his first year there, but they were terrible against the run. It is a trend for Pettine defenses, his defenses have gotten worse against the run every year he has coached.. But his pass defense was among the best in the league, so he does have a track record of that. I don't know anything about him really, but Buffalo fans don't want him to go.

You are right, we don't him to go, but we do have our LB coach Henderson that could replace him without us losing the consistency we need.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 09:01 AM

Why in the world would you hire Eric Mangini as a QB coach?

Niners considered Mangini for move to quarterbacks coach | ProFootballTalk

Matthean · 01-23-2014, 09:04 AM

I would at least interview Seattle's D coordinator. If you are waiting this long, you might as well interview everybody. Greg Schiano is even getting mentioned so again, I would make sure I interview everybody possible because I don't see how he works out.

Chief Rum · 01-23-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Or also wondering what TSoF is doing and what the Browns haven't called. Isn't he someone's DX now? Can't remember his real name, only that he really wanted to wear a suit. Mike something?

I have no idea what TSoF means, but the rest of your description fits Mike Nolan, the former SF coach. He is ATL's D coordinator now.

Suicane75 · 01-23-2014, 11:14 AM

I'm starting to need a stevew translator button.

molson · 01-23-2014, 12:25 PM

I think they should interview Rob Chudzinski

Chief Rum · 01-23-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I think they should interview Rob Chudzinski

I am a little surprised he hasn't gotten more OC love, but I suspect at least for this offseason, teams are kinda leery because they're not sure if Chud was let go by the Browns for reasons outside of football performance. And it's not like his offense lit the world on fire this season (of course, a lot of that was on the bad QB injury luck the Browns had and the self-inflicted trade away of Richardson).

Matthean · 01-23-2014, 02:06 PM

I don't see the upgrade in Pettine and certainly not needing to wait this long to hire him. It's not like he was busy with the playoffs.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 02:54 PM

Pettine is hired by the Browns.

He could be a great head coach but I doubt it in an environment like Cleveland.

stevew · 01-23-2014, 03:01 PM

Steelers hired Mike Munchak as their O-Line coach. I'm hoping he makes a great interim head coach here some day. Preferably sooner than later.

Logan · 01-23-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Steelers hired Mike Munchak as their O-Line coach. I'm hoping he makes a great interim head coach here some day. Preferably sooner than later.

Like...if Paul Chryst takes another job?

Kodos · 01-23-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Pettine is hired by the Browns.

He could be a great head coach but I doubt it in an environment like Cleveland.

Belichick was 36-44 in Cleveland, with one winning season in 1994.

stevew · 01-23-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Like...if Paul Chryst takes another job?

no idea who that is.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

no idea who that is.

University of Pittsburgh (Pitt) head coach, I believe.

cuervo72 · 01-23-2014, 03:34 PM

Feh, Pettine's dad was a better coach.

QuikSand · 01-23-2014, 03:38 PM

Not sure if it was avoidable given the rest of the clusterfuck over there, but it seems like the guy they really need now with a defense-minded coach is Norv Turner. Whom, of course, they just let walk in to even deeper snow.

BishopMVP · 01-23-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Why in the world would you hire Eric Mangini as a QB coach?

Niners considered Mangini for move to quarterbacks coach | ProFootballTalk

If your quarterback's biggest problem is learning how to read defenses, Mangini's probably pretty good at identifying those.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

If your quarterback's biggest problem is learning how to read defenses, Mangini's probably pretty good at identifying those.

But so should any competent QB coach that has made it to the NFL. Kaepernick also has some mechanics issues when throwing from the pocket that need to be addressed.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Not sure if it was avoidable given the rest of the clusterfuck over there, but it seems like the guy they really need now with a defense-minded coach is Norv Turner. Whom, of course, they just let walk in to even deeper snow.

It'll be interesting who ends up as the offensive coordinator and QB there?

TroyF · 01-23-2014, 04:42 PM

The Browns situation is one of the most strange cases I have ever seen. Fire coach after a year, wait forever with no real replacement in site, then select a guy only true football die hards have heard of. I know of him and I know he's supposed to be a good coach, but wow. . just wow.

BillJasper · 01-23-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

The Browns situation is one of the most strange cases I have ever seen. Fire coach after a year, wait forever with no real replacement in site, then select a guy only true football die hards have heard of. I know of him and I know he's supposed to be a good coach, but wow. . just wow.

I wonder if he's a guy whose ready or a guy who just said fuck it and decided to collect some big money before going back to being a defensive coordinator in a couple years?

Desnudo · 01-23-2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Belichick was 36-44 in Cleveland, with one winning season in 1994.

If your biggest failures are also the source of your biggest personal growth then teams should be all over ex-Browns coaches.

Apathetic Lurker · 01-23-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I wonder if he's a guy whose ready or a guy who just said fuck it and decided to collect some big money before going back to being a defensive coordinator in a couple years?

A couple of years? Try one...

01-19-2014, 03:13 PM	#301
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	At least Cleveland is being entertaining this off-season: Report: Browns willing to trade up for Manziel \| ProFootballTalk I think it's becoming obvious why Chudzinski was fired and their having a tough time bringing in someone else: they want a figure-head with the front office having all the power and there aren't many willing to walk into that situation willfully. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-19-2014, 06:32 PM	#302
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	But do they really need to trade up for him? __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

01-19-2014, 11:14 PM	#308
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Don't forget that was a different general manager and owner that passed on Tebow. After a new owner arrived, he had teh GM make a play for Tebow, and the pick was higher than the Jets pick, but Tebow chose not to head to J-ville. Then a new Gm was brought in who quelled any rumors on Tebow in his first presser when he said there was no way he could see Tebow on the roster. Ended all speculation. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

01-21-2014, 11:36 AM	#310
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	The Lions have hired Joe Lombardi - grandson of Vince and New Orleans QB coach - as their new offensive coordinator. I have cooled off a bit in terms of the Caldwell hire. I still don't love it. I am over losing out on Whisenhunt. One of the three issues - the other two being term/money and amount of control over personnel - that apparently drove Whisenhunt's decision to go to Tennessee over Detroit was that he wanted to implement a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with a 3-4 defense. Many teams have been successful with that scheme. But the Lions just don't have the personnel for it right now. The Lions have spent 3 first round picks on d-linenmen in three of the last four drafts. They were drafted to play in a 4-3 and switching would likely be a bad use of the Lions few defensive assets. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

01-21-2014, 02:06 PM	#313
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Gase withdrew his name from the Browns' search, but I can't get excited over a guy who's biggest claim to fame is having Peyton as his QB. He was part of the Lions staff for 5 seasons as well. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

01-19-2014, 08:14 PM	#303
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	Houston or Jacksonville might take him

01-19-2014, 09:21 PM	#305
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	Neither do I...He will put fannies in the seats....Even if he is just a bit better than Gabbert he will entertain.

01-19-2014, 09:22 PM	#306
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Although to be fair everyone thought Jacksonville would jump all over Tebow for the same reason and they've resisted even when they could pick him up for veteran's minimum salary. Not than Manziel isn't better than Tebow, but I don't think the Jags are primarily concerned with which QB puts fans in the seats.

01-21-2014, 02:43 PM	#315
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Browns to interview Dirk Koetter for head-coaching job \| ProFootballTalk Cleveland, you're long nightmare is almost over! __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-22-2014, 08:28 AM	#318
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Zing!

01-22-2014, 10:51 PM	#320
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Still waiting for the Browns to get hot on Tod Haley.

01-23-2014, 12:20 AM	#321
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Or also wondering what TSoF is doing and what the Browns haven't called. Isn't he someone's DC now? Can't remember his real name, only that he really wanted to wear a suit. Mike something? Last edited by stevew : 01-23-2014 at 01:49 PM.

01-23-2014, 07:27 AM	#323
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Browns supposedly found someone to say yes to the dress. Mike Pettine, whomever that is.

01-23-2014, 08:45 AM	#326
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Pettine made his name as a disciple of Rex Ryan, and I thought Buffalo's D was improved last year in his first year there, but they were terrible against the run. It is a trend for Pettine defenses, his defenses have gotten worse against the run every year he has coached.. But his pass defense was among the best in the league, so he does have a track record of that. I don't know anything about him really, but Buffalo fans don't want him to go. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 01-23-2014 at 08:45 AM.

01-23-2014, 09:01 AM	#329
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Why in the world would you hire Eric Mangini as a QB coach? Niners considered Mangini for move to quarterbacks coach \| ProFootballTalk __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-23-2014, 09:04 AM	#330
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	I would at least interview Seattle's D coordinator. If you are waiting this long, you might as well interview everybody. Greg Schiano is even getting mentioned so again, I would make sure I interview everybody possible because I don't see how he works out. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

01-23-2014, 11:14 AM	#332
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I'm starting to need a stevew translator button.

01-23-2014, 12:25 PM	#333
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think they should interview Rob Chudzinski

01-23-2014, 02:06 PM	#335
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	I don't see the upgrade in Pettine and certainly not needing to wait this long to hire him. It's not like he was busy with the playoffs. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

01-23-2014, 02:54 PM	#336
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Pettine is hired by the Browns. He could be a great head coach but I doubt it in an environment like Cleveland. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-23-2014, 03:01 PM	#337
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Steelers hired Mike Munchak as their O-Line coach. I'm hoping he makes a great interim head coach here some day. Preferably sooner than later.

01-23-2014, 03:34 PM	#342
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Feh, Pettine's dad was a better coach. __________________ null

01-23-2014, 03:38 PM	#343
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Not sure if it was avoidable given the rest of the clusterfuck over there, but it seems like the guy they really need now with a defense-minded coach is Norv Turner. Whom, of course, they just let walk in to even deeper snow.

01-23-2014, 04:42 PM	#347
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The Browns situation is one of the most strange cases I have ever seen. Fire coach after a year, wait forever with no real replacement in site, then select a guy only true football die hards have heard of. I know of him and I know he's supposed to be a good coach, but wow. . just wow.

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