The Republican Party Headquarters Thread (No Dems Allowed!!)

[Tyrith]

Don't blame them, but it really limits our ability to do useful things with our legislation.

[RendeR]

I'm a bit anoyed with CR's limitations here, if he's giving us the ability to pass 3 bills a day then why handcuff us so badly? honestly, this game is a bit broken. Perhaps we should just stop passing any bills to avoid ading wolf abilities and go dealwith a normal WW game and get the win.

[jeheinz72]

I'd have to agree with RendeR here, it seems we're just proposing/adding lame villager roles that the Wolves can attach potentially powerful riders to which if we veto puts us at risk.

[Tyrith]

Agreed. The vetoes hurt a lot, but there's no upside. We might just need to sit on our hands now. Yeah, Render, you were right and I was wrong. Sorry. I overestimated how much slack CR would give us.

[PurdueBrad]

I continue to support RendeR (despite his threat on me in the main thread!) on this and maybe we do sit for the day.

[PurdueBrad]

Congrats everybody on getting through your elections. While I apparently didn't need it, Eaglefan threw his support for me to get re-elected prior to being hung. I really want to look at Lathum or Henry after the bad EF lynch, but am willing to listen to other ideas.

[Chief Rum]

The Most Popular Politicians Among Party Members

1. illinifan999
2. PurdueBrad
3. Tyrith
4. Passacaglia
5. Render
6. jeheinz72

Here are how the District Polling is shaping up

Tyrith (tight polling)
PurdueBrad (ahead in polls)
illinifan999 (tight polling)
Passacaglia (tight polling)
jeheinz (behind in polls)
Render (behind in polls)

[jeheinz72]

CR was there any slurrying of us by the Dems?

[RendeR]

Err...why am I behind in the polls???

[jeheinz72]

I think the wolves slurried us a TON. We went from rocking to all almost losing. This ain't cool.

[Passacaglia]

Anyone interested in a new leader or liaison?

[Passacaglia]

Also, what about president? Illinifan would make sense, but we could also ge jeheinz or RendeR to make sure they don't lose their seat.

[illinifan999]

I have a support action that I can give to either heinz or RendeR.

[jeheinz72]

I'd love any support I can get.

As far as Leader/Liasion, I think we're ok. I trust Tyrith as the leader and I think that frankly, the Liasion doesn't do much

[jeheinz72]

That is also to say though, if you don't want to do it any more Pass, that's cool too. We'll get a new one.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

That is also to say though, if you don't want to do it any more Pass, that's cool too. We'll get a new one.

Nah, I don't mind doing it.

[Tyrith]

Alright, we clearly need to pass something, of some kind. My thought is that we should still aim for something that will help us materially, but narrowly - and I'm still on the mind of various seer abilities, because honestly the seer seems to be about the only way we're going to win this game.

My proposal we give the seer a broadcast upon death that would only work for night 6 -- the earliest we could put one into effect. If he is the wolf kill that night we get to learn all his scans, including the night 6 scan. We'd have to legislate in that seer scan comes before wolf kill, too, but that shouldn't be a big deal.

The caveat to seer abilities is that we are probably going to need our seer to reveal today or tomorrow just to stay in the game. The earliest anything useful can happen is night 6. However, if nothing else it'd protect us from seer reveal tomorrow -> seer being night killed tomorrow night. And it gives us some BG options if the seer reveals today.

[jeheinz72]

Hrm Tyrith, I don't know about that. I look at it like this

Pros:

We know the Seer scans even if he doesn't come forward
We'd pass *something* to avoid a political hit

Cons:

We'd have to reveal the Seer. (would we though?)
We'd risk a clause trade-off again with a rider and I don't know if we come out ahead.

[Passacaglia]

I like it.

[Passacaglia]

I don't think we'd have to reveal the Seer.

[jeheinz72]

Neither do I really, which helps. But still, I don't know if getting his past records is worth dealing with a new rider.

[Tyrith]

Actually...you're right, we shouldn't. The only way any of this popularity BS becomes relevant again is if the game goes past Day 8 - and it shouldn't. And if it looks like it's going to, we'll fix it later. Otherwise, we try as best we can to lose as few elections as we can tomorrow, then try to win the game in the next four lynches. And maybe we'll take some wolves down with us in the elections.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Actually...you're right, we shouldn't. The only way any of this popularity BS becomes relevant again is if the game goes past Day 8 - and it shouldn't. And if it looks like it's going to, we'll fix it later. Otherwise, we try as best we can to lose as few elections as we can tomorrow, then try to win the game in the next four lynches. And maybe we'll take some wolves down with us in the elections.

How does that mean we shouldn't do it?

[Tyrith]

Because getting a bill ridered is just going to make it harder to win the game in the time we have left. Unless, as it seems, they only get one of each rider...hm.

If they can only get one of each rider, there is no reason to not do it, because none of the remaining riders do anything.

[jeheinz72]

We should ask that, it's a good point. We don't have a Duke right, so Anti-Duke is pointless

[Passacaglia]

What riders have they passed at this point, anyway?

[jeheinz72]

Brutal and Cunning I believe.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Brutal and Cunning I believe.

That's all? And didn't we pass a bill to take away the cunning? There's still a lot they can do, then.

[Tyrith]

They got sneaky, too.

[jeheinz72]

Ah that's right.

[PurdueBrad]

What about going back to something like the Secret Service idea I floated late last week. It guarantees a slight percentage chance of surviving any night attack. It's not too strong but maybe random.org could be on our side.

As for our leadership, I think I'm comfortable with what we've got.

[jeheinz72]

The sounds like a little better, IMO.

I figure there are 3-4 more nights left in the game, at most. Maybe 25% since then our expected value would be 1 "freebie" block. 1 "freebie" block would, in my eyes, balance a potential rider.

[Passacaglia]

Wait, what's the bill being discussed now?

[jeheinz72]

Basically enacting a random survival of a wolf attack %

[PurdueBrad]

Heinz, I'm all for 25%, is that too high given the sudden conservative nature of the court?

Also, good job driving discussion in the main thread.

[jeheinz72]

That's the catch. I can't see lower than 20 being of any real value to though. So maybe just do 20 and hope we get lucky?

[PurdueBrad]

Hmmm, 20% isn't bad either but I see what you're saying. If we go lower, we pass a bill that gives the wolves a bigger advantage than us. I say roll with 20% and see if we can get it past the court. I like 25% but the courts have turned on us and we aren't polling well. If it weren't for EF's support before he got lynched, I think I would be behind as well.

[jeheinz72]

well you didn't vote him right? That's how I read it, you didn't get hit since you didn't vote him

[jeheinz72]

Also, I like the idea of RendeR for speaker again from our side. Anyone else is too far away for me to support

[Passacaglia]

CR didn't seem to like 25% -- I asked him what percent he would like.

[Passacaglia]

heinz, you don't have henry's district anymore, right? So we're at 9-9?

[jeheinz72]

Here's a general thought for us.

Are we not being cut-throat enough to win this game? The Dems basically don't seem all that keen on giving us an inch of slack, are we foolish for giving them any?

I do worry that if we just continue to play nice, not that I enjoy playing harshly, we're just going to find ourselves as tough-luck losers at the end.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

heinz, you don't have henry's district anymore, right? So we're at 9-9?

Correct.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

well you didn't vote him right? That's how I read it, you didn't get hit since you didn't vote him

No but I also didn't quite realize how much impact that would have on popularity, jeez.

Heinz, is Lathum a wolf or just antagonizing us at this point? He's stubborn enough here where, good or not, I really want to vote him off. Everyone else has gotten less partisan, he's grown exponentially more so.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Here's a general thought for us.

Are we not being cut-throat enough to win this game? The Dems basically don't seem all that keen on giving us an inch of slack, are we foolish for giving them any?

I do worry that if we just continue to play nice, not that I enjoy playing harshly, we're just going to find ourselves as tough-luck losers at the end.

I guess that was my same question to you. I'm thinking this though. There are likely more wolves on their side instead of ours, so let's just gear up and take shots at them as it accomplishes two goals, hunts wolves and ousts democrats. The question is this, which end do you want to start at? Do you want to cherry-pick certain people like Mccollins or do we want to make a district grab and start with Henry?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

No but I also didn't quite realize how much impact that would have on popularity, jeez.

Heinz, is Lathum a wolf or just antagonizing us at this point? He's stubborn enough here where, good or not, I really want to vote him off. Everyone else has gotten less partisan, he's grown exponentially more so.

I honestly don't know. At first I would say yes for sure. Then I thought no as no Dem really stepped up saying they distrusted him and his general votes and attack of me seemed like a poor wolf play.

But today just pushes me back to thinking yes. I mean it's just a poor poor strategy for him/them to vote us out today. Sure, if they somehow topple the wolves that's a good play, but I'd call that remote without our help frankly.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I guess that was my same question to you. I'm thinking this though. There are likely more wolves on their side instead of ours, so let's just gear up and take shots at them as it accomplishes two goals, hunts wolves and ousts democrats. The question is this, which end do you want to start at? Do you want to cherry-pick certain people like Mccollins or do we want to make a district grab and start with Henry?

The only catch with that is, they hold the majority of wolf votes. So we can't really throw our weight around. And if our voting reasoning is party-based and not wolf-finding-based they likely won't join us.

Personally, I say we vote for who we think is a wolf. It's a tried and true good idea in WW and I don't think we're in a position to vary from it. I think if we start voting Henry, we have nil shot at them joining us and us actually getting Henry lynched. Furthermore, I'm not really thinking Henry = Wolf at this point in time. Or at least nothing sticks out thus far to make me think it. He's like Ches and Chubby and Path (before he died), he's not giving much in the big thread to go on.

[Tyrith]

And that's our problem in general this game -- no one is giving us anything in the main thread to go on.

Honestly, I think we should just lynch Lathum given the muddled mess we're in -- we don't really have any clues as to anyone else, I trust mccollins story about the RL side of things, and it will give us a good read on heinz assuming there isn't some psychotic wolf play going on. It'd be play of the century if they're both wolves, the way they've been at each others throats.

[Tyrith]

And I don't think we're going to get a wolf block thing past CR unless about 10 percent or so. Which would be worth it to us at this point, as their search riders are pretty useless and we don't have a duke.

[jeheinz72]

hey, even I don't think Lathum is a wolf at this point. Hence my pick of Collins over him. I think Collins is the wolf there.

Plus, I don't think it's quite as simple as "let's just lynch lathum". I gave the Dems every opportunity to even raise an eyebrow about him and no one did or has since. Another tick why I don't think Lathum's a wolf necessarily.