The Trump Presidency – 2016

[CrimsonFox]

I can feel the tumult now. I feel it in the air. Trump followers everywhere trying to decide whether to keep thinking the virus is a hoax or to complain about protesters spreading the virus

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

People are overthinking the Graham thing. The party embraced Trump, and he's a politician doing what almost all politicians do - surviving. It's virtually guaranteed to be no more complicated than that. The thing is, as much as we complain when politicians don't do what their constituents want, I'm not sure we have a lot of room to talk collectively.

I've always thought that people trying to find the double secret reason why a GOP politician from South Carolina supports Trump were ignoring a pretty obvious point.

It would be much more noteworthy if the GOP senator from South Carolina didn't support Trump.

[JPhillips]

Everything's a con.

GUILFORD, Maine – President Donald Trump traveled to Maine Friday to tour a facility that makes medical swabs used for coronavirus testing, but the swabs manufactured in the background during his visit will ultimately be thrown in the trash, the company said.

Puritan Medical Products said it will have to discard the swabs, a company spokeswoman told USA TODAY in response to questions about the visit.

It is not clear why the swabs will be scrapped, or how many. The company described its manufacturing plans for Friday as "limited" – but the disruption comes as public health officials in Maine and other states have complained that a shortage of swabs has hampered their ability to massively scale up coronavirus testing.

Workers in white lab coats, hair nets and plastic booties worked at machines making swabs while the president walked through the room. Trump, who did not wear a mask for the visit, stopped at one point to talk with some of the workers.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: For whatever it is worth, I do think that Graham is gay. And I feel really sad for him that he's had to live a closeted life. I wish that he could have been out and open and married and happy. Maybe he'd be a lawyer in Columbia instead of a Senator. Maybe that's not the life he wanted. Maybe making it to the Senate was worth everything for him. But I doubt it. And I wish for him that he could have been happy and honest instead.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I can feel the tumult now. I feel it in the air. Trump followers everywhere trying to decide whether to keep thinking the virus is a hoax or to complain about protesters spreading the virus

The ones I've seen are siding with hoax -- there is all this protesting, so obviously the protesters (libs) are not really concerned about social distancing/virus spread at all, because if they were they wouldn't be out.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

dola: For whatever it is worth, I do think that Graham is gay. And I feel really sad for him that he's had to live a closeted life. I wish that he could have been out and open and married and happy. Maybe he'd be a lawyer in Columbia instead of a Senator. Maybe that's not the life he wanted. Maybe making it to the Senate was worth everything for him. But I doubt it. And I wish for him that he could have been happy and honest instead.

This. The closet eventually destroys people.

[PilotMan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...onal-monument/

President Trump signed a proclamation Friday that opened the Atlantic Ocean’s only fully protected marine sanctuary to commercial fishing, dismissing arguments that crab traps, fishing nets and lines dangling hooks can harm fish and whales.

Fishing can resume at the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument off the coast of New England, Trump said. The Obama administration closed off nearly 5,000 square miles of ocean in September 2016 to save whales and allow marine life to recover from overfishing. The controversial decision was praised by conservationists and challenged by commercial fishermen from the start.

“We’re opening it up today,” Trump declared during a roundtable discussion with commercial fishermen and Maine’s former Republican governor, Paul LePage. “We’re undoing his executive order. What was his reason? He didn’t have a reason, in my opinion."

The best idiot line from this entire thing:

Maggie Raymond, executive director of Associated Fisheries of Maine, praised Trump at the event for directing a regional fisheries management council to determine what sort of fishing can take place in the once-protected area. “You’re bringing that process back,” she said.


“You’re so lucky I’m president,” Trump replied. “I don’t even know you, and you’re so lucky.”

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I've always thought that people trying to find the double secret reason why a GOP politician from South Carolina supports Trump were ignoring a pretty obvious point.

It would be much more noteworthy if the GOP senator from South Carolina didn't support Trump.

I certainly agree that giving in to political pressure is a more likely reason for Graham's actions than some crazy bribery conspiracy, but I think the reason the Graham thing resonated so much isn't that he started supporting Trump, but that he did a complete 180 on specific issues, without so much as a Susan Collins "concern" on them.

I mean, Marco Rubio's version of supporting Trump is to ignore Trump's worst actions, attack liberals, and post bible quotes. Graham's departure from where he was in 2016 is much sharper.

[bronconick]

He just could be wishy-washy. He used to follow McCain around, with him gone he's now Trump's lapdog.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I certainly agree that giving in to political pressure is a more likely reason for Graham's actions than some crazy bribery conspiracy, but I think the reason the Graham thing resonated so much isn't that he started supporting Trump, but that he did a complete 180 on specific issues, without so much as a Susan Collins "concern" on them.

I mean, Marco Rubio's version of supporting Trump is to ignore Trump's worst actions, attack liberals, and post bible quotes. Graham's departure from where he was in 2016 is much sharper.

Ted Cruz?

SI

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ted Cruz?

SI

Yeah, that's a good one, too. I do get great enjoyment out of thinking about how hard it must be for Cruz to stand by the guy who has personally insulted him and his family. It has to really eat him up inside. But he almost certainly would've been primaried in 2018 without it.

Still, Cruzz always felt more like he had personal/moral differences with Trump rather than political ones.

[whomario]

I know everybody is numb, but ...

Is a sitting President threatening people like a Mafia boss really the new normal ?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...66947938590721

I mean, this does mean what i think ? He is saying that unless the National Guard is treated well (whatever the fuck that means) he will bring in people that aren't so warm and fuzzy ? Also, how does that make the active military members feel, when they get presented like trained attack dogs doing their owners bidding or some shit while being pitted against american citizens ?

[JPhillips]

A WH staffer and wife of the head of CPAC retweeted a video of a guy yelling at protestors, at one point yelling fucking ni@#$$%. Is there any doubt that any other President would have already fired this person? And is there any doubt she's perfectly safe with Trump?

[GrantDawg]

This woman is so good. She does these videos often, but this might be one of the best.

How to bunker pic.twitter.com/cu7StjllD0

— Sarah Cooper (@sarahcpr) June 6, 2020

[Ben E Lou]

The stupid Bible move didn't work, and may have even backfired. Approval rating among white Evangelicals has dropped from 77% in March to 62% this week.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

The stupid Bible move didn't work, and may have even backfired. Approval rating among white Evangelicals has dropped from 77% in March to 62% this week.

It'll be back up to 77% by election time because of Biden's emails or something.

One of the more disappointing things to me over the past 4 years were the number of evangelical friends who were perfectly willing to blindly look past Trump's "sins" and try to justify him as "moral". I mean, if you want to play a means-justifies-the-ends game with conservative judges, etc - go ahead, but to pretend he's anything but an immoral man requires simply looking away. It's not forgiveness, it's willful ignorance and it's going to be something they have to answer for after they've shuffled off this mortal coil.

SI

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Brazil stops releasing Covid-19 death toll and wipes data from official site | World news | The Guardian

You just know there's a solid WH faction saying "why didn't we just do this?"

[sterlingice]

FTFY

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You just know there's a solid WH faction saying "why don't we just do this?"

SI

[kingfc22]

Time to see if the NFL will kowtow back in line and risk player fallout or just stay silent and ignore bunker boy.

[JPhillips]

Erdogan running a test to see how stupid and gullible Trump really is.

#BREAKING Turkish president tells US' Trump those behind violence, looting in US are in cooperation with terrorist group PKK/YPG operating in northern Syria

— ANADOLU AGENCY (ENG) (@anadoluagency) June 8, 2020

[thesloppy]

Hmmmm, I have also heard that the writers for the later season of Lost, the surviving members of Sublime, and paper straws are behind the violence and looting.

[cuervo72]

I mean there's no reason why Soros can't be funding both PKK *and* Antifa, right?

[ISiddiqui]

I don't know how likely this is, but holy shit, please!

403 Forbidden

The United States Space Force was only announced two years ago and has yet to engage in any military operations, but the latest branch of the U.S. armed forces already stands to lose its first battle -- to Netflix's Space Force.

The streaming service premiered its new sci-fi/comedy series Space Force on May 29. The show's name has no relation to the newest organization of the U.S. military, which unveiled its official flag only two weeks earlier. Because of the common moniker, though, the United States Space Force's first battle might be a trademark war -- fought in court, rather than in space.

[GrantDawg]

I am do tired of winning. Can we please stop all the winning.

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[albionmoonlight]

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 9, 2020

So if you lose, then you double your bet. And if you lose that, then you double it again. And you keep doubling your bet until you win.

[Kodos]

A time-proven strategy.

[Lathum]

I know we have become numb to just how low he can stoop, but man, that is some next level shit right there.

How anyone can support that is so beyond me.

[QuikSand]

Presumably he saw something on Fox News with this absurd story, right? He didn't, you know, just come up with this theory, of course. It involves multi syllable words and everything.

Imagine being him and thinking "yes, THIS is it, time to tweet it to everyone"

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Presumably he saw something on Fox News with this absurd story, right? He didn't, you know, just come up with this theory, of course. It involves multi syllable words and everything.

Imagine being him and thinking "yes, THIS is it, time to tweet it to everyone"

He tagged One America News Network. so I assume he saw it there.

If Fox is marijuana, then OANN is crystal meth.

They are not constrained by whatever fig leaf Fox has to keep on to pretend that it is a legitimate news organization.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

They are not constrained by whatever fig leaf Fox has to keep on to pretend that it is a legitimate news organization.

Which is exactly what authoritarian and totalitarian regimes love. As long as it's a voice of support, feed, and amplify to legitimacy. I wonder if Bolsonaro has his own OANN yet?

[JPhillips]

The reporter for OANN works for Sputnick which is controlled by the Kremlin, so Russian disinformation straight to the twitter feed of the President.

There has to be a generation of former KGB guys just mesmerized by how easy this is.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 9, 2020

So if you lose, then you double your bet. And if you lose that, then you double it again. And you keep doubling your bet until you win.

I have gotten to the point where I shrug off most of his stupidity, but this is next level low and just infuriates me, beyond words, what a despicable, piece of shit!

[QuikSand]

He's going to "win" with this, won't he? In a few days (hours?), all the actual pro-Trump voices and their legions of bot accomplices will vocally take up the side that all the police violence is staged and should be discounted to zero. And the issue will become another red/blue "draw" because you have to pay attention to both sides. That's where this goes, doesn't it?

[QuikSand]

on the other hand...

We could be looking at an army of Antifa super soldiers genetically engineered to be old and fall over easily.

— Jason Roeder (@jasonroeder) June 9, 2020

lol

[Kodos]

[albionmoonlight]

One of the ironies here is that if the GOP had just let Obamacare's death panels kill all the elderly, then they wouldn't be around now to be Antifa super soldiers.

The law of unintended consequences wins again.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

He's going to "win" with this, won't he? In a few days (hours?), all the actual pro-Trump voices and their legions of bot accomplices will vocally take up the side that all the police violence is staged and should be discounted to zero. And the issue will become another red/blue "draw" because you have to pay attention to both sides. That's where this goes, doesn't it?

I'm not sure if you are looking for actual discussion or just making a joke but I feel like the "Defund the police" for all it's intended purposes may end up being 2021's "How the hell did Trump get elected again?" situation. People can argue with me on here (they do on other sites) all they want about what the real intent is and how it is being misportrayed etc but in the end Trump will talk about how cities like Minneapolis have no police at the debates and in rallies, Biden will respond with something that doesn't make sense and Trump will win on this issue. Seems like they should have learned their lesson with Hillary and Michael Brown's mother at the Democratic convention.

(I really don't want a Trump 2nd term any more than you guys but seems like the Democrats may be heading to their usual how to throw away an election that should be easy to win... see 2016, 2004, 2000...)

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

One of the ironies here is that if the GOP had just let Obamacare's death panels kill all the elderly, then they wouldn't be around now to be Antifa super soldiers.

The law of unintended consequences wins again.

Heh

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by panerd

Biden will respond with something that doesn't make sense and Trump will win on this issue. Seems like they should have learned their lesson with Hillary and Michael Brown's mother at the Democratic convention.

(I really don't want a Trump 2nd term any more than you guys but seems like the Democrats may be heading to their usual how to throw away an election that should be easy to win... see 2016, 2004, 2000...)

FWIW, Biden and his campaign has already responded as explicitly & loudly as they could yesterday.

Biden campaign opposes calls to 'defund the police' | TheHill

Biden Opposes Defunding Police, Campaign Says : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPR

Biden supports reform but not the 'defund police' movement | USA News | Al Jazeera

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...gains-traction

[Atocep]

Single poll disclaimer and all, but McConnell may be in trouble in Kentucky. A RMG poll shows McGrath with a 1 point lead overall that extends to 15 points when voters are informed that she supports Senateterm limits and McConnell doesn't.

Another poll has Greenfield up 3 on Ernst in Iowa.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

FWIW, Biden and his campaign has already responded as explicitly & loudly as they could yesterday.

Biden campaign opposes calls to 'defund the police' | TheHill

Biden Opposes Defunding Police, Campaign Says : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPR

Biden supports reform but not the 'defund police' movement | USA News | Al Jazeera

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...gains-traction

Interesting. I admit I don't follow the news cycle continually but I think I do follow what is going on and I didn't know that. He really needs to distance from it because we both know that Trump can easily pin this on him. Especially if he catches flack from the far left and tries to dance around the edges of it.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by panerd

Interesting. I admit I don't follow the news cycle continually but I think I do follow what is going on and I didn't know that. He really needs to distance from it because we both know that Trump can easily pin this on him. Especially if he catches flack from the far left and tries to dance around the edges of it.

The "defunding" phrasing is being used as El Cucuy in this narrative and really needs to be repurposed as reallocation of funding to better serve the community and Police force, ala what Camden NJ did. Even though the union has managed to creep back into the Camden department after I did some lengthy research on it last night, it still seems like a solid model to both improve policing and satisfy community leaders.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Single poll disclaimer and all, but McConnell may be in trouble in Kentucky. A RMG poll shows McGrath with a 1 point lead overall that extends to 15 points when voters are informed that she supports Senateterm limits and McConnell doesn't.

Another poll has Greenfield up 3 on Ernst in Iowa.

I worked with Matt Jones, who is a sports/politics radio/TV guy up there now and was flirting with the idea of running for the Dem nomination.

He made the (I think smart) decision to stay in radio/TV and avoid the stress of a campaign.

But I really wish he had run. Because if this is the once-every-20-years wave election that could actually take McConnell out, it would have been really neat to actually personally know a Senator.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Single poll disclaimer and all, but McConnell may be in trouble in Kentucky. A RMG poll shows McGrath with a 1 point lead overall that extends to 15 points when voters are informed that she supports Senateterm limits and McConnell doesn't.

Another poll has Greenfield up 3 on Ernst in Iowa.

She completely needs to tap into the libertarian base here. It's the path that killed Bevin and if she can exploit enough of it, it's the only path.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Single poll disclaimer and all, but McConnell may be in trouble in Kentucky. A RMG poll shows McGrath with a 1 point lead overall that extends to 15 points when voters are informed that she supports Senateterm limits and McConnell doesn't.

Another poll has Greenfield up 3 on Ernst in Iowa.

Keep it up!

[bronconick]

I see Brian Kemp's dry run at suppressing the hell out of Georgia in November is going splendidly today

[Kodos]

What's the best time to donate to the people running against McConnell and Graham?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Kodos

What's the best time to donate to the people running against McConnell and Graham?

Monday through Friday

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Kodos

What's the best time to donate to the people running against McConnell and Graham?

Early and often.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I see Brian Kemp's dry run at suppressing the hell out of Georgia in November is going splendidly today

This is just no shock. The courts have already proven they are turning their backs on voter rights, why just not blatantly suppress votes?