WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!! - Page 50

RendeR · 05-05-2009, 09:43 AM

Jesus abe...how the hell DID the coal miners ever get unionized?

EagleFan · 05-05-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

The events are set before the game began.

So last night's event was not a wolf action?

RendeR · 05-05-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Has this been asked?

Was the Poli kill a wolf initiated event? The answer may be key. If it was a wolf triggered event than we can probably rule out conversion. If it was not, we cannot rule out conversion and should probably expect it at this point.

My take on it is the train event caused a random death in the firefight. I don't think Poli's death was actually initiated by anyone.

claphamsa · 05-05-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

My take on it is the train event caused a random death in the firefight. I don't think Poli's death was actually initiated by anyone.

I think thats awful unlikely, I think abe is just putting some color into the nightkill.

RendeR · 05-05-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I think thats awful unlikely, I think abe is just putting some color into the nightkill.

Abe, can you clarify this at all? I didn't see this as a night kill at all. Poli's death was written up in the results of the train event?

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

This is a good plan, but I have a way to save us a few points...I happen to have food. (recently given to me) If I use that then food distribution is an automatic success.

still catching up. This is good but I think we still need a x3 there because you now could be a candidate for arrest, if possible.

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

does this qulaify as lathuming?

I mean your putting pressure on me... for voting for the brutal wolf, and then saying i must be wolf because of this? seriously? I can think of a lot of good reasons to vote for me, this is not one

that is not lathuming

this is...

C'mon Clap, don't be an idiot. You were the only person who voted for him that day and he was in no danger until BK dukeed to him. I know you aren't that stupid and told you that would ne your defense.

Moron

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Abe, can you clarify this at all? I didn't see this as a night kill at all. Poli's death was written up in the results of the train event?

Correct. Poli died as the result fo teh Bull Moose Special event.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

still catching up. This is good but I think we still need a x3 there because you now could be a candidate for arrest, if possible.

I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Jesus abe...how the hell DID the coal miners ever get unionized?

Not until the New Deal and some of the laws passed there did it happen.

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

So last night's event was not a wolf action?

Correct

jeheinz72 · 05-05-2009, 10:06 AM

Work Gladhanding

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Correct

Follow up, although since it involved the Sympathizers driving an armored machine gun laden train through your camp, you can take from that that they had some control over it, even though it was an Event, not a Night Kill.

PurdueBrad · 05-05-2009, 10:09 AM

If we're thinking of trying to pull off the village and the mission, then I think back to what some said regarding the recruitment mission before. I think you need to have an orator or gladhander or one of each in order to recruit. If everyone thought that the mission looking for items demanded searchers, then who's better at recruiting than the gladhanders or the orators?

claphamsa · 05-05-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Correct. Poli died as the result fo teh Bull Moose Special event.

so your saying we lost our body guard due to a random event? WTF is that?

claphamsa · 05-05-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

that is not lathuming

this is...

C'mon Clap, don't be an idiot. You were the only person who voted for him that day and he was in no danger until BK dukeed to him. I know you aren't that stupid and told you that would ne your defense.

Moron

your the one making a big deal of a throw away vote, not me :P

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:11 AM

Parts of my Bibliography include:

Black Coal Miners in America
When Miners March

And the WV Department of Culture has a massive amount of historical archives which include transcripts of Senate testimony, and various historical documents like newspaper clippings, internal company memos, and letters.

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

so your saying we lost our body guard due to a random event? WTF is that?

We probably posted at the same time, but no, I never said it was random.

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

your the one making a big deal of a throw away vote, not me :P

and you don't see why?

Either way it is a mute point, we don't have a lynch today and hopefully not tomorrow either.

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

and you don't see why?

Either way it is a MOOT point, we don't have a lynch today and hopefully not tomorrow either.

Fixed

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Fixed

was trying to play off Claps teribel speling

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:20 AM

Abe I haven't heard the point speak. I feel it has been quite silent actually.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

was trying to play off Claps teribel speling

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:21 AM

So do we have confirmation that all our work is 100% today despite race?

jeheinz72 · 05-05-2009, 10:21 AM

Sure sure Lathum.

Nice try.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.

Quoted because I'd like to hear what others think and feel it might have gotten lost in the shuffle over the train.

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Sure sure Lathum.

Nice try.

?

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Quoted because I'd like to hear what others think and feel it might have gotten lost in the shuffle over the train.

I think this plan makes sense as long as all our work counts as normal today.

IF others agree I'll go on the mission.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think this plan makes sense as long as all our work counts as normal today.

IF others agree I'll go on the mission.

Abe has confirmed blacks will count as normal. Of course we don't know about other races. And your point is well taken. I think Glengoyne has charted a better safe than sorry course for the camp. Of course it sounds like winning this mission is a pretty big deal as well.

jeheinz72 · 05-05-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

?

Oh I was just poking fun at you saying you were covering for CLAP'S bad spelling.

RendeR · 05-05-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So do we have confirmation that all our work is 100% today despite race?

I believe he did verify this but I can't find the post atm.

Glengoyne · 05-05-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

This is a good plan, but I have a way to save us a few points...I happen to have food. (recently given to me) If I use that then food distribution is an automatic success.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.

I can go with your take there BK. Oh and my plan was definitely a better safe than sorry option. That second camp where we allowed the arrest to block the conversion looms large in my mind.

Glengoyne · 05-05-2009, 10:47 AM

go on mission

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:48 AM

Ok then. For the time being

Unwork oratory
Go on the mission

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 10:50 AM

so who's plan are we going with?

ntndeacon · 05-05-2009, 10:50 AM

I have sent in my request to use the food, so hopefully something will be told me shorrtly. (not that I will hear it as Ihave a test to give ) I wouldn't expect another item from me tomorrow. I did not get any pms. I will only have the same items I had at the start of the day.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 10:52 AM

Well considering it's Day 6, can we assume you've had 6 objects of some sort? We know for sure at least two (the knife + food).

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 10:58 AM

One of your fellow miners has found some food supplies and used them. The food distribution task for today will automatically be successful.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2009, 11:03 AM

Well that's very helpful. So I think it frees one of the food distributors to go on the mission and the other to backstop some other work.

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 11:05 AM

based on Abes message I am assuming even an arrest wouldn't affect food distribution at this point. Correct?

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

based on Abes message I am assuming even an arrest wouldn't affect food distribution at this point. Correct?

That would be correct

jeheinz72 · 05-05-2009, 11:07 AM

Nice re: food

Lathum · 05-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Go on Mission

Abe Sargent · 05-05-2009, 11:12 AM

The military commission was ruthless. Men were not able to speak on their behalf, and were tried up to 80 at a time, later Senate investigation would show. Not one company person was sent to the military tribunal. Men would wait outside in a holding area until a decision as to their guilt and the sanction, then they were usually incarcerated as part of their violation. There are numerous cases of miners who were not even affiliated with the union getting 5, 6, 8 or 10 years because they tried to stop a mine guard from beating someone or questioned their behavior.

EagleFan · 05-05-2009, 11:56 AM

Sweet. I'll lay back to support the camps unless my services are needed elsewhere.

Glengoyne · 05-05-2009, 11:57 AM

So how do we stand as far as assigning work orders? Have all of the mission folks checked in?

EagleFan · 05-05-2009, 12:00 PM

With last night's event not a wolf action that tells me that we had a conversion.

Leading candidates would be Lathum and myself. Of course the wolves could also have stayed away from us because we would be the assumed targets and would be looked at first.

EagleFan · 05-05-2009, 12:07 PM

Though I feel like I am completely in the dark here sometimes I definitely am liking the game.

As RendeR said.... how in the hell did they ever unionize?

This is giving me some ideas for my next game. Not based on the same topic, but something with a historic tie in. (I've done television and movie, might as well go historic next)

DaddyTorgo · 05-05-2009, 12:07 PM

yay food!!

DaddyTorgo · 05-05-2009, 12:36 PM

just in case my earlier work got missed somehow (feels like it was a hell of a long time ago)

WORK ORATORY

05-05-2009, 09:43 AM	#2451
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Jesus abe...how the hell DID the coal miners ever get unionized? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

05-05-2009, 10:11 AM	#2467
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Parts of my Bibliography include: Black Coal Miners in America When Miners March And the WV Department of Culture has a massive amount of historical archives which include transcripts of Senate testimony, and various historical documents like newspaper clippings, internal company memos, and letters. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-05-2009, 10:58 AM	#2488
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	One of your fellow miners has found some food supplies and used them. The food distribution task for today will automatically be successful. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-05-2009, 11:12 AM	#2494
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	The military commission was ruthless. Men were not able to speak on their behalf, and were tried up to 80 at a time, later Senate investigation would show. Not one company person was sent to the military tribunal. Men would wait outside in a holding area until a decision as to their guilt and the sanction, then they were usually incarcerated as part of their violation. There are numerous cases of miners who were not even affiliated with the union getting 5, 6, 8 or 10 years because they tried to stop a mine guard from beating someone or questioned their behavior. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-05-2009, 12:07 PM	#2499
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yay food!! __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

05-05-2009, 10:09 AM	#2464
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	If we're thinking of trying to pull off the village and the mission, then I think back to what some said regarding the recruitment mission before. I think you need to have an orator or gladhander or one of each in order to recruit. If everyone thought that the mission looking for items demanded searchers, then who's better at recruiting than the gladhanders or the orators?

05-05-2009, 10:20 AM	#2472
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Abe I haven't heard the point speak. I feel it has been quite silent actually.

05-05-2009, 10:21 AM	#2474
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So do we have confirmation that all our work is 100% today despite race?

05-05-2009, 10:47 AM	#2483
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	go on mission

05-05-2009, 10:48 AM	#2484
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok then. For the time being Unwork oratory Go on the mission

05-05-2009, 10:50 AM	#2485
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so who's plan are we going with?

05-05-2009, 10:50 AM	#2486
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I have sent in my request to use the food, so hopefully something will be told me shorrtly. (not that I will hear it as Ihave a test to give ) I wouldn't expect another item from me tomorrow. I did not get any pms. I will only have the same items I had at the start of the day.

05-05-2009, 10:52 AM	#2487
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well considering it's Day 6, can we assume you've had 6 objects of some sort? We know for sure at least two (the knife + food).

05-05-2009, 11:03 AM	#2489
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well that's very helpful. So I think it frees one of the food distributors to go on the mission and the other to backstop some other work.

05-05-2009, 11:05 AM	#2490
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	based on Abes message I am assuming even an arrest wouldn't affect food distribution at this point. Correct?

05-05-2009, 11:09 AM	#2493
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Go on Mission

05-05-2009, 11:56 AM	#2495
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Sweet. I'll lay back to support the camps unless my services are needed elsewhere.

05-05-2009, 11:57 AM	#2496
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	So how do we stand as far as assigning work orders? Have all of the mission folks checked in?

05-05-2009, 12:00 PM	#2497
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	With last night's event not a wolf action that tells me that we had a conversion. Leading candidates would be Lathum and myself. Of course the wolves could also have stayed away from us because we would be the assumed targets and would be looked at first.

05-05-2009, 12:07 PM	#2498
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Though I feel like I am completely in the dark here sometimes I definitely am liking the game. As RendeR said.... how in the hell did they ever unionize? This is giving me some ideas for my next game. Not based on the same topic, but something with a historic tie in. (I've done television and movie, might as well go historic next)

05-05-2009, 12:36 PM	#2500
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	just in case my earlier work got missed somehow (feels like it was a hell of a long time ago) WORK ORATORY __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

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