WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win! - Page 15

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

That's true, it may have been a mistake in the role he had listed.

If he is the seer, sorry guys. I thought for sure I was going to be attacked tonight. That was ballsy to still go after Jackal, so props for that. Of course, having the guts to do that doesn't make me feel any better about Jeheinz.

I suspected you may have played it so you could protect yourself tonight. Ballsy moves, but I couldn't fault it much even if the seer was jackal.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:20 PM

BTW, if the real seer does come forward today, I can promise you my protection tomorrow night.

Lathum · 01-12-2009, 10:25 PM

GAH!!

Sorry Guys, I was in a hurry, Jackal was the seer.

My bad

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:26 PM

Damn

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Moving forward I think we need to look at RPI-Fan and Jeheinz. RPI is clearly on the team of the wolves, so should probably look there first even though he is probably just the janitor.

hoopsguy · 01-12-2009, 10:30 PM

Much better. Good luck to all the rest of the way.

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 10:32 PM

Heh, makes more sense. But it was fun stuff while it lasted.

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 10:39 PM

lol makes more sense.

i guess since the seer is dead i can say that maybe as the seer what i would have tried to do is scan one of my roommates (if i had 2, or just the 1 if i had one) so i knew I could trust them, and then funnel my scan results through them via PM to protect myself. thought maybe the real seer did that and was using Jackel to funnel their results. Guess not though.

Grammaticus · 01-13-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

That's true, it may have been a mistake in the role he had listed.

If he is the seer, sorry guys. I thought for sure I was going to be attacked tonight. That was ballsy to still go after Jackal, so props for that. Of course, having the guts to do that doesn't make me feel any better about Jeheinz.

You really should have guarded Jackal like you were supposed too, we would have one more scan. Why would you even risk a free scan for at best a 50/50 chance of a block?

Grammaticus · 01-13-2009, 12:03 AM

Danny, can you confirm if you guarded yourself on night one and blocked an attack from EF? If so, the attacks have been from one roommate to another each night.

Danny · 01-13-2009, 12:06 AM

Supposed to? I wasn't aware of my orders apparently.

I felt it much more likely the wolves attacked me. I made the move I thought was best. It didn't turn out well. Oh well.

Danny · 01-13-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Danny, can you confirm if you guarded yourself on night one and blocked an attack from EF? If so, the attacks have been from one roommate to another each night.

No, I guarded EF, which prevented him from doing a night kill.

One night two I guarded Abe, which means if he was a wolf there is a a 50% chance he would have been doing the kill.

Last night I guarded myself obviously. The wolves knew I guarded EF night one, and I thought figured I guarded myself last night which is why they went elsewhere. Of course if my only choice for today was guarding Jackal I would have. I really thought the wolves figured this and would have attacked me.

Danny · 01-13-2009, 12:09 AM

And now I'm obviously dead tomorrow, so hopefully we can catch that last wolf.

Chief Rum · 01-13-2009, 01:22 AM

Wow, I am missing a ton of head-spinning fun here while away at work. Belated thumbs up to The Jackal on nailing hoops. Myself, other than being naturally suspicious of hoops, he wasn't even on my radar.

As for Danny's move, I guess I can understand the reasoning, but my thinking is that you have to realize who is more important there. He has to know as an outed good guy, his time is limited, and since the seer role is also outed, it's only a matter of time before both are dead. So he should have protected The Jackal and sacrificed himself, expecting he would be targeted. As it turns out, had he done so, we would likely have our third wolf (yes, that part from hoops I believe, but more because it just makes sense based on the numbers in this game).

I don't think anything less of Danny or question his allegiance, of course. I just don't know if I would agree he made the right move there.

BTW, I see a lot of heinz or RPI being tossed out, as a one or the other, or that's the impression I get. Personally that surprises me, as I am not sure I get the heinz suspicion here. It seems to me RPI and Hannibal with his D1 vote are the most suspicious now.

As for Gramm, who I voted for, I think I made a mistake there. He is right that, if he were a wolf, why would he let The Jackal live and continue to risk EF? Dropping the killing vote is risky, of course, but I think people would be inclined to give him undeserving trust for doing that, rather than questioning it. So I am now leaning toward Gramm being good, as I don't think a wolf would pass up the opportunity to gain "too obvious to be a wolf" trust AND save an actual wolf.

BTW, one bad thing about constantly finding a wolf--next to impossible to get anything out of the voting records.

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 06:28 AM

I don't think Danny was just trying to protect himself he was trying to fool the wolves to wasting attacks. He didn't protect himself N2 hoping the wolves would think he was, then he was hoping last night the wolves would think he was protecting the seer and attack him instead.

So I understand it. Personally I think the seer is just to important to play games with. The plan was fine until the seer came into play.

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 06:31 AM

To add to that that, if it all had worked out he would have procted seer the next night. And we would gain even another day, that would have been the reward.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-13-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ummm wtf? jackel did you think you were a good guy?

maintenance man is what the seer is called here

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lol makes more sense.

i guess since the seer is dead i can say that maybe as the seer what i would have tried to do is scan one of my roommates (if i had 2, or just the 1 if i had one) so i knew I could trust them, and then funnel my scan results through them via PM to protect myself. thought maybe the real seer did that and was using Jackel to funnel their results. Guess not though.

I had thought of this as well while I was thinking of reasons that we should lynch hoops. But at the time of the reveal he had named who he scanned each night, none being his roommate. So I discounted it.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-13-2009, 06:35 AM

vote rpi

Hannibal Lecter · 01-13-2009, 06:36 AM

lets get er started... had he said anything since Heinze outed him? cant think of him saying anythign all game....

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 06:54 AM

He hasn't been around. Which is why I voted on him before Heinze out him.

Chief Rum · 01-13-2009, 07:37 AM

I agree. I am still inclined to explore the HL issue, but RPI's odd comments and his non-presence in thead tells me it does us more "certain" good taking him out.

My main issue is that I find it very difficult to believe RPI is a wolf, since clearly the wolves are still operating. Does anyone know too many wolves, especially if as we surmise that there is only one who are active with night actions but who don't even post in thread?

So going after RPI ensures that we will actually take out a villager today, and that the game will go another day (with another night kill presumeably), even if RPI is only the bare resemblance of a villager.

Chief Rum · 01-13-2009, 07:39 AM

I talked myself into it. I am going Hannibal for now, but I will be back before deadline to reconsider if needed. I want to go for an actrual wolf, instead of giving the baddies another day.

VOTE HANNIBAL

Abe Sargent · 01-13-2009, 07:40 AM

Help me out, someone frame the RPI case for me.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 07:56 AM

Well, we got hoops and he wasn't the brutal,that's good.

Why didn't we protect Jackal though?

Barkeep49 · 01-13-2009, 07:56 AM

So danny you got yourself a case of fancy play syndrome huh? Simple play tends to be good play. Look at hoops trying to help put the nail in the coffin of a wolf D1. Lot of good that did him. Frankly I think my being scanned wasn't the right play in the situation since if Jackal had been killed before revealing we'd have likely assumed his roommate, at the very least, was cleared. As for ideas moving forward, I think the fact that wolves have been roomies with roled villagers is worth thinking about. Coincidence is possible. GM conniving is also possible.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 07:57 AM

And reading back, I see that somehow I'm now getting suspicion. HUH?!?

I can't honestly fathom what I've done to garner that. Is it my fault that I came forward with a legit story (verified by the now known to be Seer) about how RPI alluded to a role only to never follow up on it (or have a possible role left that he could be)

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 07:58 AM

Let's not forget I was on EF from Day One. And not just the let's-put-a-vote-on-him way, I basicaly argued with him all day and made him a candidate.

If EF PM'd you a lot about me Danny, it was likely because I was all up in his business fucking up his chi.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Help me out, someone frame the RPI case for me.

Here's my take on him (with that said I'm not 100% voting for him today)

- Has done virtually nothing
- In PM to me and Jackal on Day One he tells us he has a special role, but wanted feedback. Which is great, that move temporarily moved him up my trust list. Only catch is, all the good roles have been either killed off or revealed without any counter (Danny/BG).

Right now I'd say I'm about 60/20/20. Meaning 60% shot I think he's the janitor and didn't realize his role wasn't a good one (janitor and maintainance man are close to the same thing) and about a 20% shot on each chance that he's a wolf or wildly confused villager.

Barkeep49 · 01-13-2009, 08:02 AM

The case against RPI:

Suspicious D1 PM, claiming role and then later backing off.
In active since.

That's good enough for me, at this point.

Vote RPI

Barkeep49 · 01-13-2009, 08:03 AM

I do, FTR, think RPI is more likely Janitor than wolf. But I see nothing wrong with knocking off some wolf friends.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 08:07 AM

I do have a concern that this would now be basically our 3rd landslide vote in a row. We're severely detached from our meaningful votes. I'll likely regret saying this since it seems people are casting aspersions my way, but we should probably start talking other candidates now as well

Barkeep49 · 01-13-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I do have a concern that this would now be basically our 3rd landslide vote in a row. We're severely detached from our meaningful votes. I'll likely regret saying this since it seems people are casting aspersions my way, but we should probably start talking other candidates now as well

Sounds good to me. Make the case.

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 08:19 AM

I'm fairly confident RPI is the janitor and we have another wolf out there. While I'd rather look elsewhere, I think we need to confirm RPI's status to move on.

Vote RPI

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I do have a concern that this would now be basically our 3rd landslide vote in a row. We're severely detached from our meaningful votes. I'll likely regret saying this since it seems people are casting aspersions my way, but we should probably start talking other candidates now as well

I agree.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 08:19 AM

Well, sadly, I fall short of having any good leads. Hence I want the input. Here's my POV on those left:

1. RPI Fan - As mentioned to before, I'd say 60% janitor, 20% wolf
2. DaddyTorgo - Villager vibe, but it could be because he's agreed with me. A nice vote on
3. Jeff - Likely villager or playing a balls game as a wolf. Not a path worth persuing all too soon. Good vote for EF too
4. Telle - In the Questionable Bucket (tm). Minus points for the incorrect but understandable vote D1. No real chance to the positive since
6. Chief Rum - Silent...but deadly? Always tough to read and to analyze votes on. One of those where to go for him, I'll basically have to convince myself of if since there is no back-and-forth
8. Hannibal - Horrid looking D1 vote but giving villager vibe. Also in my Questionable Bucket (tm).
10. Danny - Cleared in my mind
12. Grammaticus - Also in the Questionable Bucket (tm). His play has been erratic at best. No vote at all Day One and inconsistent play since then. Can't say I'm thrilled he started suggesting me, not going to lie there, but frankly I think I've played a pretty studly villager game. Even people who always try and think I'm a wolf have stated as much.
13. Barkeep - Cleared by seer
14. JeHeinze - Known good (to me!)
15. Abe - Someone I'd like to hear more from. Good player, so I'm wary of his being neither cleared nor in the Questionable Bucket (tm). Good players just cruise in the middle as a wolf.

So, to sum up, I'd say

Not worth discussing: Danny, BK, RPI (since I'm fairly certain he's not villager-favorable and he's getting votes already, votes I agree with

Likely Villagers that I can't see voting for soon without major revelations: Jeff, DT

Middle of the road: Abe, Chief Rum

Questionable Bucket (tm): Hannibal, Telle, Gramm

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 08:29 AM

My questionable bucket is Telle, Gramm, Rummy. Followed closely by Abe and then Hannibal.

I haven't swapped any PMs with Abe. I'm just a villager, I have no reason to trust him and no sensitive information to share, so I haven't initiated contact. Neither has Abe.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-13-2009, 08:32 AM

Jeff people can always slip up in PMs.... its always a good idea to keep contact... There has been at least one game when I got busted by not keeping my story strait. and you have nothing to lose.

that being said me and telle haven't really said anything.

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 08:33 AM

Good point. This is the first game I've played where everyone had someone they can PM.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 08:49 AM

I didn't receive a royalty check for that use of my trademarked material, Jeff.

Danny · 01-13-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Wow, I am missing a ton of head-spinning fun here while away at work. Belated thumbs up to The Jackal on nailing hoops. Myself, other than being naturally suspicious of hoops, he wasn't even on my radar.

As for Danny's move, I guess I can understand the reasoning, but my thinking is that you have to realize who is more important there. He has to know as an outed good guy, his time is limited, and since the seer role is also outed, it's only a matter of time before both are dead. So he should have protected The Jackal and sacrificed himself, expecting he would be targeted. As it turns out, had he done so, we would likely have our third wolf (yes, that part from hoops I believe, but more because it just makes sense based on the numbers in this game).

I don't think anything less of Danny or question his allegiance, of course. I just don't know if I would agree he made the right move there.

BTW, I see a lot of heinz or RPI being tossed out, as a one or the other, or that's the impression I get. Personally that surprises me, as I am not sure I get the heinz suspicion here. It seems to me RPI and Hannibal with his D1 vote are the most suspicious now.

As for Gramm, who I voted for, I think I made a mistake there. He is right that, if he were a wolf, why would he let The Jackal live and continue to risk EF? Dropping the killing vote is risky, of course, but I think people would be inclined to give him undeserving trust for doing that, rather than questioning it. So I am now leaning toward Gramm being good, as I don't think a wolf would pass up the opportunity to gain "too obvious to be a wolf" trust AND save an actual wolf.

BTW, one bad thing about constantly finding a wolf--next to impossible to get anything out of the voting records.

The wolves had to think it was at least a good possibility that I had been protecting Jackal and the fact they went there anyway leads me to think his roommate could be a wolf making protecting jackal possible not matter at all.

And yeah, looking back I obviously wish I had played this the other way.

jeheinz72 · 01-13-2009, 08:57 AM

...or they roled the dice down two wolves already and knowing they needed to get the Seer. And if successful, they knew it'd paint me/RPI in a bad light.

jeff061 · 01-13-2009, 09:04 AM

Yeah, attacking with a roommate would have sealed their loss. I think they just considered the seer to important and were willing to attack back to back.

Telle · 01-13-2009, 09:44 AM

So most likely what we have left is one wolf and the janitor. I agree with others in believing that RPI-Fan is the janitor. I don't think there's much worry about him sowing confusion if we let him live a day since he hasn't been around much (didn't even vote the past two days). But then how long do we let him live on the off chance that he actually is a wolf? I'm thinking we take one day to look for a wolf and hopefully get ourselves a nice voting record, and then take care of him the next day.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2009, 10:28 AM

We absolutely shouldn't lynch RPI if he's the janitor - he counts for our #'s. At least till we've exhausted basically everyone else. He should have a free pass to endgame right now - somebody do the math and find out if he was the brutal wolf, given the victory conditions, how many villagers we could have left and still lynch him and win please. he gets a free pass until that point though, absolutely.

I haven't gotten much from Gram as a roomie either. Honestly, a significant piece of me thinks that Rummie is a crafty bastard and we best lynch him to be sure he's not the last wolf.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2009, 10:30 AM

the odds against having a room that was wolf/janitor/seer are pretty high.

i'm starting to formulate a plan of lynching that looks like: CR, jeheinz, telle, hannibal

Telle · 01-13-2009, 10:33 AM

The problem is that we don't KNOW that RPI-Fan is the janitor.. it's just our current best guess. There's also a possibility that he's a wolf, and I wouldn't be comfortable letting him live indefinitely because of that possibility.

And why are people looking at jeheinz all of a sudden? I actually have him in the "probably good" category due to his Day 1 play.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2009, 10:36 AM

that's why i said somebody should do the math telle, and figure out exactly how long we can let RPI fan live assuming he is the brutal wolf and still win the game. then we let him live to that point.

as for jeheinz...not sure why i put him on my list. I blame the fact that I got less than 4 hours of sleep last night for the 2nd night in a row (yay!) i'd like to amend my list to be: CR, Hannibal, Telle, Abe

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2009, 10:36 AM

and then Gram after Abe.

Hi roomie!

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2009, 10:42 AM

DT's Lynching-order list: Chief Rum, Hannibal the Cannibal, Telle, Abe, Grammaticus.

If it's a 1:1 ratio then we have to kill RPI-fan for sure when there are 3 villagers + him left. Otherwise we risk some goofy rule where he gets his brutal and lives for a second after that and it's long enough to claim victory. If Lathum is willing to state that would not happen then we can wait till it's 2 villagers plus him.

Currently we have 11 players left. We don't have to lynch him until we have 4 (or 3) total players left. Assuming a wolf kill + lynch everyday (-2 people) we have either 3 (or 4) lynch choices before we have to kill RPI-Fan.

01-12-2009, 10:32 PM	#707
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Heh, makes more sense. But it was fun stuff while it lasted. __________________

01-13-2009, 01:22 AM	#714
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Wow, I am missing a ton of head-spinning fun here while away at work. Belated thumbs up to The Jackal on nailing hoops. Myself, other than being naturally suspicious of hoops, he wasn't even on my radar. As for Danny's move, I guess I can understand the reasoning, but my thinking is that you have to realize who is more important there. He has to know as an outed good guy, his time is limited, and since the seer role is also outed, it's only a matter of time before both are dead. So he should have protected The Jackal and sacrificed himself, expecting he would be targeted. As it turns out, had he done so, we would likely have our third wolf (yes, that part from hoops I believe, but more because it just makes sense based on the numbers in this game). I don't think anything less of Danny or question his allegiance, of course. I just don't know if I would agree he made the right move there. BTW, I see a lot of heinz or RPI being tossed out, as a one or the other, or that's the impression I get. Personally that surprises me, as I am not sure I get the heinz suspicion here. It seems to me RPI and Hannibal with his D1 vote are the most suspicious now. As for Gramm, who I voted for, I think I made a mistake there. He is right that, if he were a wolf, why would he let The Jackal live and continue to risk EF? Dropping the killing vote is risky, of course, but I think people would be inclined to give him undeserving trust for doing that, rather than questioning it. So I am now leaning toward Gramm being good, as I don't think a wolf would pass up the opportunity to gain "too obvious to be a wolf" trust AND save an actual wolf. BTW, one bad thing about constantly finding a wolf--next to impossible to get anything out of the voting records. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-13-2009, 06:28 AM	#715
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I don't think Danny was just trying to protect himself he was trying to fool the wolves to wasting attacks. He didn't protect himself N2 hoping the wolves would think he was, then he was hoping last night the wolves would think he was protecting the seer and attack him instead. So I understand it. Personally I think the seer is just to important to play games with. The plan was fine until the seer came into play. __________________

01-13-2009, 06:31 AM	#716
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	To add to that that, if it all had worked out he would have procted seer the next night. And we would gain even another day, that would have been the reward. __________________

01-13-2009, 06:54 AM	#721
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	He hasn't been around. Which is why I voted on him before Heinze out him. __________________

01-12-2009, 10:20 PM	#702
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	BTW, if the real seer does come forward today, I can promise you my protection tomorrow night.

01-12-2009, 10:25 PM	#703
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	GAH!! Sorry Guys, I was in a hurry, Jackal was the seer. My bad

01-12-2009, 10:26 PM	#704
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Damn

01-12-2009, 10:28 PM	#705
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Moving forward I think we need to look at RPI-Fan and Jeheinz. RPI is clearly on the team of the wolves, so should probably look there first even though he is probably just the janitor.

01-12-2009, 10:30 PM	#706
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Much better. Good luck to all the rest of the way.

01-12-2009, 10:39 PM	#708
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol makes more sense. i guess since the seer is dead i can say that maybe as the seer what i would have tried to do is scan one of my roommates (if i had 2, or just the 1 if i had one) so i knew I could trust them, and then funnel my scan results through them via PM to protect myself. thought maybe the real seer did that and was using Jackel to funnel their results. Guess not though.

01-13-2009, 12:03 AM	#710
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Danny, can you confirm if you guarded yourself on night one and blocked an attack from EF? If so, the attacks have been from one roommate to another each night.

01-13-2009, 12:06 AM	#711
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Supposed to? I wasn't aware of my orders apparently. I felt it much more likely the wolves attacked me. I made the move I thought was best. It didn't turn out well. Oh well.

01-13-2009, 12:09 AM	#713
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And now I'm obviously dead tomorrow, so hopefully we can catch that last wolf.

01-13-2009, 06:35 AM	#719
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	vote rpi

01-13-2009, 06:36 AM	#720
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	lets get er started... had he said anything since Heinze outed him? cant think of him saying anythign all game....

01-13-2009, 07:37 AM	#722
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I agree. I am still inclined to explore the HL issue, but RPI's odd comments and his non-presence in thead tells me it does us more "certain" good taking him out. My main issue is that I find it very difficult to believe RPI is a wolf, since clearly the wolves are still operating. Does anyone know too many wolves, especially if as we surmise that there is only one who are active with night actions but who don't even post in thread? So going after RPI ensures that we will actually take out a villager today, and that the game will go another day (with another night kill presumeably), even if RPI is only the bare resemblance of a villager. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-13-2009, 07:39 AM	#723
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I talked myself into it. I am going Hannibal for now, but I will be back before deadline to reconsider if needed. I want to go for an actrual wolf, instead of giving the baddies another day. VOTE HANNIBAL __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-13-2009, 07:40 AM	#724
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Help me out, someone frame the RPI case for me. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

01-13-2009, 07:56 AM	#726
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So danny you got yourself a case of fancy play syndrome huh? Simple play tends to be good play. Look at hoops trying to help put the nail in the coffin of a wolf D1. Lot of good that did him. Frankly I think my being scanned wasn't the right play in the situation since if Jackal had been killed before revealing we'd have likely assumed his roommate, at the very least, was cleared. As for ideas moving forward, I think the fact that wolves have been roomies with roled villagers is worth thinking about. Coincidence is possible. GM conniving is also possible.

01-13-2009, 08:02 AM	#730
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The case against RPI: Suspicious D1 PM, claiming role and then later backing off. In active since. That's good enough for me, at this point. Vote RPI

01-13-2009, 08:03 AM	#731
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I do, FTR, think RPI is more likely Janitor than wolf. But I see nothing wrong with knocking off some wolf friends.

01-13-2009, 08:19 AM	#734
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'm fairly confident RPI is the janitor and we have another wolf out there. While I'd rather look elsewhere, I think we need to confirm RPI's status to move on. Vote RPI __________________

01-13-2009, 08:29 AM	#737
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	My questionable bucket is Telle, Gramm, Rummy. Followed closely by Abe and then Hannibal. I haven't swapped any PMs with Abe. I'm just a villager, I have no reason to trust him and no sensitive information to share, so I haven't initiated contact. Neither has Abe. __________________

01-13-2009, 08:32 AM	#738
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Jeff people can always slip up in PMs.... its always a good idea to keep contact... There has been at least one game when I got busted by not keeping my story strait. and you have nothing to lose. that being said me and telle haven't really said anything.

01-13-2009, 08:33 AM	#739
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Good point. This is the first game I've played where everyone had someone they can PM. __________________

01-13-2009, 09:04 AM	#743
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Yeah, attacking with a roommate would have sealed their loss. I think they just considered the seer to important and were willing to attack back to back. __________________

01-13-2009, 09:44 AM	#744
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	So most likely what we have left is one wolf and the janitor. I agree with others in believing that RPI-Fan is the janitor. I don't think there's much worry about him sowing confusion if we let him live a day since he hasn't been around much (didn't even vote the past two days). But then how long do we let him live on the off chance that he actually is a wolf? I'm thinking we take one day to look for a wolf and hopefully get ourselves a nice voting record, and then take care of him the next day.

01-13-2009, 10:28 AM	#745
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	We absolutely shouldn't lynch RPI if he's the janitor - he counts for our #'s. At least till we've exhausted basically everyone else. He should have a free pass to endgame right now - somebody do the math and find out if he was the brutal wolf, given the victory conditions, how many villagers we could have left and still lynch him and win please. he gets a free pass until that point though, absolutely. I haven't gotten much from Gram as a roomie either. Honestly, a significant piece of me thinks that Rummie is a crafty bastard and we best lynch him to be sure he's not the last wolf.

01-13-2009, 10:30 AM	#746
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	the odds against having a room that was wolf/janitor/seer are pretty high. i'm starting to formulate a plan of lynching that looks like: CR, jeheinz, telle, hannibal

01-13-2009, 10:33 AM	#747
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	The problem is that we don't KNOW that RPI-Fan is the janitor.. it's just our current best guess. There's also a possibility that he's a wolf, and I wouldn't be comfortable letting him live indefinitely because of that possibility. And why are people looking at jeheinz all of a sudden? I actually have him in the "probably good" category due to his Day 1 play.

01-13-2009, 10:36 AM	#748
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	that's why i said somebody should do the math telle, and figure out exactly how long we can let RPI fan live assuming he is the brutal wolf and still win the game. then we let him live to that point. as for jeheinz...not sure why i put him on my list. I blame the fact that I got less than 4 hours of sleep last night for the 2nd night in a row (yay!) i'd like to amend my list to be: CR, Hannibal, Telle, Abe

01-13-2009, 10:36 AM	#749
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	and then Gram after Abe. Hi roomie!

01-13-2009, 10:42 AM	#750
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	DT's Lynching-order list: Chief Rum, Hannibal the Cannibal, Telle, Abe, Grammaticus. If it's a 1:1 ratio then we have to kill RPI-fan for sure when there are 3 villagers + him left. Otherwise we risk some goofy rule where he gets his brutal and lives for a second after that and it's long enough to claim victory. If Lathum is willing to state that would not happen then we can wait till it's 2 villagers plus him. Currently we have 11 players left. We don't have to lynch him until we have 4 (or 3) total players left. Assuming a wolf kill + lynch everyday (-2 people) we have either 3 (or 4) lynch choices before we have to kill RPI-Fan.

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