The 2013-2014 NFL Offseason/Coaching/Free Agency (non-draft) Thread - Page 3

Desnudo · 12-30-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Josh McDaniels is on the radar of the Browns. Tebow might get another shot!

That's a match made in heaven. Enjoy the 80/20 pass/run ratio.

miami_fan · 12-30-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Landshark44

I just can't get excited about Zimmer/Turner....

Didn't we already have Turner as an OC?

Yes in 2002. It does not have to be specifically Turner. I chose him as he is widely respected as a quality OC when he is exclusively an OC. If you told me that Joe Philbin, left to his own devices would improve the offense and brought an aggressive DC that would be fine too. Ultimately, I want to see a clear philosophy on both sides of the ball that puts pressure on the opposing team and that to me start with a new GM. I don't know what the current philosophy is.

BillJasper · 12-30-2013, 06:14 PM

After looking like stooges firing Chudzinski, can the Browns afford to bring in a guy (McDaniels) whose already failed once as an NFL head coach?

Buccaneer · 12-30-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

After looking like stooges firing Chudzinski, can the Browns afford to bring in a guy (McDaniels) whose already failed once as an NFL head coach?

Really stupid but predicted move by the Browns. Problem is that it's not a plum position and will likely have to settle for a leftover, probably a coordinator that failed at three interviews elsewhere.

Kodos · 12-30-2013, 06:55 PM

Would love to see Gruden go to Miami.

DaddyTorgo · 12-30-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Really stupid but predicted move by the Browns. Problem is that it's not a plum position and will likely have to settle for a leftover, probably a coordinator that failed at three interviews elsewhere.

And as long as they continue to demonstrate failing organizational behavior by running through coaches faster than rolls of toilet paper it'll never be a plum position.

rowech · 12-30-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Really stupid but predicted move by the Browns. Problem is that it's not a plum position and will likely have to settle for a leftover, probably a coordinator that failed at three interviews elsewhere.

While I feel the same way about them firing him, they do have 10 picks and two first rounders.

Matthean · 12-30-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

While I feel the same way about them firing him, they do have 10 picks and two first rounders.

Now lets talk about what they have done recently with said first rounders.

rowech · 12-30-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Now lets talk about what they have done recently with said first rounders.

Their team isn't that far from being good. Their D was very good, Gordon and Cameron are good options. Tons of cap room with the picks. They can definitely get good if they make some good decisions.

BishopMVP · 12-30-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Now lets talk about what they have done recently with said first rounders.

Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Haden, Phil Taylor and Barkevious Mingo? The Richardson/Weeden draft in 2012 is laughable, but at least they recouped a 1st round pick for Richardson, and they do have a new management team in place.

Buccaneer · 12-30-2013, 09:46 PM

It's not a bad place to be but comparatively, I would think some of the other vacancies would be more high profile and lucrative, esp. if Dallas and Miami open up as well.

Matthean · 12-30-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Haden, Phil Taylor and Barkevious Mingo? The Richardson/Weeden draft in 2012 is laughable, but at least they recouped a 1st round pick for Richardson, and they do have a new management team in place.

And Quinn.

bhlloy · 12-30-2013, 09:53 PM

And who wouldn't want to work for the owner who is a notorious douche, is being investigated by the IRS and the FBI and probably won't have any money left afterwards and just fired a coach after one season when they knew it would be a rebuilding year? Obviously a plum of a job.

mrtourette · 12-31-2013, 03:47 AM

The Dolphins probably didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but the manner in which they set themselves up after wins over Pit and New England and then calamitously threw it away with those two terrible performances against the Bills and Jets (of all the teams to throw it away against) does raise some serious questions.

In a away if they'd have lost the first two and then won out against the Bills and Jets to finish 8-8 I probably wouldn't be so obviously concerned ('average team finishes 8-8 by beating worse teams and losing to better teams' isn't much to get upset about), but needing one win against either the Bills or Jets to make the playoffs and putting in such lame performances in both games really does make you wonder what the hell was going on for those final two weeks.

Dutch · 12-31-2013, 08:08 AM

I don't care if he's the most hated coach in the world--in the NFL--if you can get your players to respond like this when you say, "Despite our record, we are retaining Coach Ryan" you want that coach.

Matthean · 12-31-2013, 08:17 AM

He did go 8-8 with a rookie QB and was a game out from maybe being in the playoffs. While Smith played terrible, if he can develop into at least a decent QB, I'm guessing they are back into the playoffs.

CleBrownsfan · 12-31-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Their team isn't that far from being good. Their D was very good, Gordon and Cameron are good options. Tons of cap room with the picks. They can definitely get good if they make some good decisions.

The Browns have not had a steady QB since Bernie freaken Kosar. I mean look at this list -this is why they can not win:

2013 Jason Campbell (8) / Brandon Weeden (5) / Brian Hoyer (3)
2012 Brandon Weeden (15) / Thad Lewis (1)
2011 Colt McCoy (13) / Seneca Wallace (3)
2010 Colt McCoy (8) / Jake Delhomme (4) / Seneca Wallace (4)
2009 Brady Quinn (9) / Derek Anderson (7)
2008 Derek Anderson (9) / Brady Quinn (3) / Ken Dorsey (3) / Bruce Gradkowski (1)
2007 Derek Anderson (15) / Charlie Frye (1)
2006 Charlie Frye (13) / Derek Anderson (3)
2005 Trent Dilfer (11) / Charlie Frye (5)
2004 Jeff Garcia (10) / Kelly Holcomb (2) / Luke McCown (4)
2003 Kelly Holcomb (8) / Tim Couch (8)
2002 Tim Couch (14) / Kelly Holcomb (2)
2001 Tim Couch (16)
2000 Doug Pederson (8) / Tim Couch (7) / Spergon Wynn (1)
1999 Tim Couch (14) / Ty Detmer (2)
1996-1998 Vacant
1995 Vinny Testaverde (12) / Eric Zeier (4)
1994 Vinny Testaverde (13) / Mark Rypien (3)

JPhillips · 12-31-2013, 08:27 AM

I thought this was easily Ryan's best year. The Jets offense is as devoid of talent as the Jags. The d-line is great and the LBs are good, but the secondary is average at best. Getting that team to 8-8 is almost a miracle.

That being said, I still question whether Ryan can win it all, but he deserves another year at least.

Butter · 12-31-2013, 08:31 AM

Didn't Derek Anderson have a Pro Bowl year in there somewhere?

BillJasper · 12-31-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I thought this was easily Ryan's best year. The Jets offense is as devoid of talent as the Jags. The d-line is great and the LBs are good, but the secondary is average at best. Getting that team to 8-8 is almost a miracle.

That being said, I still question whether Ryan can win it all, but he deserves another year at least.

As much as I think Rex Ryan is a pompous ass, I do think he is a good coach and the Jets made the right decision to bring him back for another season.

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Didn't Derek Anderson have a Pro Bowl year in there somewhere?

Yep. Turned it into some big money from the Browns.

Buccaneer · 12-31-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

He did go 8-8 with a rookie QB and was a game out from maybe being in the playoffs. While Smith played terrible, if he can develop into at least a decent QB, I'm guessing they are back into the playoffs.

To be a decent QB, you first got to be coachable, mature, able and wanting to learn from others and play with some sense of intelligence on the field. That's asking a lot of Smith.

Breaks my heart that Ryan is coming back. I look forward to the day that he is out of the NFL.

BillJasper · 12-31-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

To be a decent QB, you first got to be coachable, mature, able and wanting to learn from others and play with some sense of intelligence on the field. That's asking a lot of Smith.

I'm not sure what I think of Geno Smith yet? Statistically, he got better towards the end of the year.

Smith and Ryan's futures with the Jets are definitely tied together now. If the Jets don't make the playoffs next year, both maybe looking for new jobs.

Desnudo · 12-31-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I'm not sure what I think of Geno Smith yet? Statistically, he got better towards the end of the year.

Smith and Ryan's futures with the Jets are definitely tied together now. If the Jets don't make the playoffs next year, both maybe looking for new jobs.

Based on coaching track record, I think you can count on Smith not developing. Ryan is great at defense and would be the top DC in the league, but the Jets offense has been putrid for a long time. Some of that's down or personnel decisions, but you have to look at the head coach too.

Which is why I'm glad Ryan is sticking around since he's a DC in a HC role.

BillJasper · 12-31-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Based on coaching track record, I think you can count on Smith not developing. Ryan is great at defense and would be the top DC in the league, but the Jets offense has been putrid for a long time. Some of that's down or personnel decisions, but you have to look at the head coach too.

Thing is, the Jets are very good at running the ball (6th in the league according to NFL.com), so Smith doesn't have to make a giant leap to make the Jets appreciatively better.

Matthean · 12-31-2013, 10:53 AM

Number wise Smith was at least decent in their wins but was flat out awful in their losses.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-31-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I'm not sure what I think of Geno Smith yet? Statistically, he got better towards the end of the year.

This struck me as an interesting statement, so I decided to look at his splits.
Geno Smith Stats, Splits - New York Jets - ESPN

What jumps at me from his monthly splits is that he ran about twice as often in December as he did any other month (32 Dec attempts vs 16/14/10 in Sep/Oct/Nov). His YPA/YPC both went down in December as well, which at least suggests a change in what they asked him to do.

BillJasper · 12-31-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Number wise Smith was at least decent in their wins but was flat out awful in their losses.

Well, he was a rookie QB with a receiving corp that wasn't exactly stacked with pro bowlers. I think sometimes we're too quick wanting to move on from players and coaches. I'm ready to dump Philbin after an 8-8 year two based on how the Dolphins played the last two weeks.

As far as Geno Smith goes, I think it's 50/50 that he's better than Ryan Tannehill by this time next year.

BillJasper · 12-31-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What jumps at me from his monthly splits is that he ran about twice as often in December as he did any other month (32 Dec attempts vs 16/14/10 in Sep/Oct/Nov). His YPA/YPC both went down in December as well, which at least suggests a change in what they asked him to do.

They likely told him to quit forcing passes and to run with the ball if the opportunity presented itself.

HomerSimpson98 · 12-31-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

As far as Geno Smith goes, I think it's 50/50 that he's better than Ryan Tannehill by this time next year.

Really? Granted I am sure you watched more games of Tanny than I did, but from what I saw, I think he has a bright future.

Matthean · 12-31-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Well, he was a rookie QB with a receiving corp that wasn't exactly stacked with pro bowlers.

Leading WR for the Jets is a 5th round pick who had 523 yards and 3 TDs. The only other WR that wasn't drafted in the 7th round was Hill. Last TE they drafted was in 2008. Gee, I can't imagine why QBs don't succeed there.

M GO BLUE!!! · 12-31-2013, 05:42 PM

Norv Turner questioned Cleveland Browns after firing of Rob Chudzinski - ESPN

Good for Norv.

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Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner talked to the coaching staff Monday about the firing of coach Rob Chudzinski. Turner clearly asked why the staff was told the plan was for a long-term rebuild when the commitment from the front office didn't last a year. Turner also detailed his concern that the coaching staff worked with handicaps given the personnel on the field, the sources said.

Among his points were that the staff was told repeatedly the team was building for 2014, that the running back situation was never solved after the trade of Trent Richardson, the roster was constantly juggled, and the team fired a coach after he had to start three different quarterbacks.

miami_fan · 12-31-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Really? Granted I am sure you watched more games of Tanny than I did, but from what I saw, I think he has a bright future.

I think Tannehill has a bright future but there are legitimate questions to be asked. Given that when he was drafted, everyone included the Dolphins acknowledged that he was a project with less than two years of QB experience at Texas A&M. As I said before, I think he has improved but a claim can be made that he should have made more of an improvement with better coaching and/or better talent around him. This is another reason to ask questions of Ireland and Philbin

Atocep · 12-31-2013, 09:38 PM

Looks like Obrien to the Texans is done.

HomerSimpson98 · 01-01-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I think Tannehill has a bright future but there are legitimate questions to be asked. Given that when he was drafted, everyone included the Dolphins acknowledged that he was a project with less than two years of QB experience at Texas A&M. As I said before, I think he has improved but a claim can be made that he should have made more of an improvement with better coaching and/or better talent around him. This is another reason to ask questions of Ireland and Philbin

Great post. As an Aggie, I was shocked he was drafted as high as he was and figured Sherman had a lot to do with that. But I figured he'd sit on the bench for a year or 2 and learn the game from the sidelines while Moore played. That was the logical thing to do considering he was so green coming into the league. Wrong. Like idiots, they threw him out there and I figured we had another QB flame-out on our hands. But from what I've seen he's made dramatic improvements from last year to this, despite Sherman calling the same lame ass plays he did in C.S. Tanny is turning me into a believer, and I can honestly say I was not in this camp earlier.

Honolulu_Blue · 01-01-2014, 10:49 AM

Based on some early reports the Lions are looking at Jim Caldwell and Tom Cable at the moment. I would have a hard time imagining a more underwhelming couple of potential hires.

BillJasper · 01-01-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Based on some early reports the Lions are looking at Jim Caldwell and Tom Cable at the moment. I would have a hard time imagining a more underwhelming couple of potential hires.

They just planning on not going to the playoffs for the next decade?

CU Tiger · 01-01-2014, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Based on some early reports the Lions are looking at Jim Caldwell and Tom Cable at the moment. I would have a hard time imagining a more underwhelming couple of potential hires.

Wow...thats uhhh not good.

I actually like Lovie there and think he'd be special.

M GO BLUE!!! · 01-01-2014, 11:29 AM

I'm hoping the whoever the Lions hire knows there is a position on the field called "Fullback."

miami_fan · 01-01-2014, 12:48 PM

Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross mulling changes - ESPN

I just hope if a new GM comes in, he is not forced to keep the HC against his will.

BillJasper · 01-01-2014, 03:19 PM

If you fire Ireland, you have to fire Philbin. Unless you're promoting someone from within the organization to GM.

bulletsponge · 01-01-2014, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

They just planning on not going to the playoffs for the next decade?

this is the Lions were talking about, theyre doing long term planning; no playoffs the next 3 decades!

fantom1979 · 01-01-2014, 07:03 PM

Has Tony Dungy completely ruled himself out of any job considerations?

He is only 58. Went 54-42 with a historically bad Tampa franchise, then went 85-27 with a Colts team that was a year removed from the famous Jim Mora "playoffs" rant.

If I was the Lions, I would pay a visit to him with a blank check.

EDIT: Just saw that Dungy has put on twitter that he is done coaching. I would still drop off the blank check though.

Dutch · 01-01-2014, 07:29 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if he follows Lovie Smith (to Tampa?) as a GM or President if he wanted back in. I think ultimately though he likes the analyst position...he's well respected, well paid, and he's never wrong now.

Logan · 01-01-2014, 07:49 PM

Glazer saying Lovie and the Bucs are finalizing a deal tonight.

Dutch · 01-01-2014, 08:01 PM

Sweet. Good call, Bucs.

Lovie Smith, Tampa Bay Buccaneers reach agreement - ESPN

Dutch · 01-01-2014, 08:02 PM

A little bit interested to see how this works. You hire a HC first then a GM...that's somewhat unusual, but I think Lovie is in good standing and has good relationships with a number of solid GM candidates.

Patriots12 · 01-01-2014, 08:18 PM

Bucs with a steal of a hire. We'll done glazer family.

BillJasper · 01-01-2014, 08:30 PM

I wonder if anyone actually wants the Detroit job?

Coffee Warlord · 01-01-2014, 08:45 PM

Tee hee. Enjoy Lovie, Bucs fans.

And don't mind the snickering from Chicagoland.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2014, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Tee hee. Enjoy Lovie, Bucs fans.

And don't mind the snickering from Chicagoland.

I won't snicker as much about Lovie as I did about either the Jauron or Wannestadt hires following their stints with the Bears.

12-30-2013, 06:14 PM	#103
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	After looking like stooges firing Chudzinski, can the Browns afford to bring in a guy (McDaniels) whose already failed once as an NFL head coach? __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

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12-31-2013, 08:27 AM	#118
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I thought this was easily Ryan's best year. The Jets offense is as devoid of talent as the Jags. The d-line is great and the LBs are good, but the secondary is average at best. Getting that team to 8-8 is almost a miracle. That being said, I still question whether Ryan can win it all, but he deserves another year at least. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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12-30-2013, 09:46 PM	#111
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	It's not a bad place to be but comparatively, I would think some of the other vacancies would be more high profile and lucrative, esp. if Dallas and Miami open up as well.

12-30-2013, 09:53 PM	#113
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	And who wouldn't want to work for the owner who is a notorious douche, is being investigated by the IRS and the FBI and probably won't have any money left afterwards and just fired a coach after one season when they knew it would be a rebuilding year? Obviously a plum of a job.

12-31-2013, 03:47 AM	#114
mrtourette High School JV Join Date: Dec 2013	The Dolphins probably didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but the manner in which they set themselves up after wins over Pit and New England and then calamitously threw it away with those two terrible performances against the Bills and Jets (of all the teams to throw it away against) does raise some serious questions. In a away if they'd have lost the first two and then won out against the Bills and Jets to finish 8-8 I probably wouldn't be so obviously concerned ('average team finishes 8-8 by beating worse teams and losing to better teams' isn't much to get upset about), but needing one win against either the Bills or Jets to make the playoffs and putting in such lame performances in both games really does make you wonder what the hell was going on for those final two weeks.

12-31-2013, 08:08 AM	#115
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I don't care if he's the most hated coach in the world--in the NFL--if you can get your players to respond like this when you say, "Despite our record, we are retaining Coach Ryan" you want that coach.

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Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Number wise Smith was at least decent in their wins but was flat out awful in their losses. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-31-2013, 09:38 PM	#133
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Looks like Obrien to the Texans is done.

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M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	I'm hoping the whoever the Lions hire knows there is a position on the field called "Fullback."

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BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	If you fire Ireland, you have to fire Philbin. Unless you're promoting someone from within the organization to GM. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-01-2014, 07:03 PM	#142
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Has Tony Dungy completely ruled himself out of any job considerations? He is only 58. Went 54-42 with a historically bad Tampa franchise, then went 85-27 with a Colts team that was a year removed from the famous Jim Mora "playoffs" rant. If I was the Lions, I would pay a visit to him with a blank check. EDIT: Just saw that Dungy has put on twitter that he is done coaching. I would still drop off the blank check though. Last edited by fantom1979 : 01-01-2014 at 07:08 PM.

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Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I wouldn't be surprised if he follows Lovie Smith (to Tampa?) as a GM or President if he wanted back in. I think ultimately though he likes the analyst position...he's well respected, well paid, and he's never wrong now. Last edited by Dutch : 01-01-2014 at 07:33 PM.

01-01-2014, 07:49 PM	#144
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Glazer saying Lovie and the Bucs are finalizing a deal tonight.

01-01-2014, 08:01 PM	#145
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Sweet. Good call, Bucs. Lovie Smith, Tampa Bay Buccaneers reach agreement - ESPN

01-01-2014, 08:02 PM	#146
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	A little bit interested to see how this works. You hire a HC first then a GM...that's somewhat unusual, but I think Lovie is in good standing and has good relationships with a number of solid GM candidates.

01-01-2014, 08:18 PM	#147
Patriots12 n00b Join Date: Dec 2013	Bucs with a steal of a hire. We'll done glazer family.

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BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I wonder if anyone actually wants the Detroit job? __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

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Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Tee hee. Enjoy Lovie, Bucs fans. And don't mind the snickering from Chicagoland.

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