The Republican Party Headquarters Thread (No Dems Allowed!!)

[Chief Rum]

Welcome to the the party headquarters for the Republican Party. This will be the thread where you can hatch your plans to dominate the country through your policies.

Only Repubs are allowed in this thread.

It is now Day One and the first year of your first term in Congress.

You have three decisions to make before the Day One deadline (and preferably sooner), and in whatever manner you wish to make them.

1. You must choose your Leader. This will be the player who is the head of your party--for now. This player will propose bills in the public thread, and be the one who generally does party actions (although this is not limited to him if that is the Leader's desire). The term of the Leader is for the rest of the Congressional term (two years/days--the end of the Day cycle on Day Two), but you are free to choose the same player again next term so long as he is an elected member of Congress.

The Leader may choose a Whip, a second in command, who will serve as a step-in in his absence.

Please PM me your choice when you have made it.

2. You must choose your Liaison. This will be the player in charge of communicating with the other party when deals need to be made. This player will have PM rights with his party opposite for the duration of their term in this position. No other inter-party communication is allowed outside of the public Congressional floor thread. As with the Leader, this is a one-term gig, but there are no term limits, so long as the player is an elected member of Congress.

3. Next year is a Presidential election year. At the end of the Day Two day cycle, a Presidential election will be held, choosing the next leader of the free world. You must choose the candidate who will run for the Republican party. You must choose this by the end of the Day One day cycle, but you are free to announce your choice at any time.

You also have Slurry/Support decisions to make, so please review the rules in the main thread on their use.

And don't forget to discuss bills! You don't have any roles right now, and the Seer, as an example, is an ideal role for the Republican Party. Please see the rules for other suggestions, or get creative and come up with your own.

You are now free to post in thread here, even if I have not started the game officially in the public thread.

Good luck, Elephants!

P.S. Watch out for Wolves.

[PurdueBrad]

First one here, all us Republicans must be out making money and killing the environment. Excellent...excellent.

[Chief Rum]

For your reference. These are the only players who should be posting in this thread.

REPUBLICANS

1. claphamsa
2. Tyrith
3. PurdueBrad
4. st.cronin
5. Mrs. Schmidty
6. illinifan999
7. jeheinz
8. Passacaglia
9. Render

I have updated Post #4 in the main thread, which shows who has what Congressional Districts and which way their constituents lean.

[Tyrith]

I suggest we pick someone middle of the road conservative as our leader. We don't want to appear too weak by going to far to the center or too crazy by going as far right as I am -- or further. Purdue or cronin would be my immediate suggestion.

I should generally have a lot of availability during the day and am willing to serve as Liason or Whip as the need should arise, as those roles are more about practicality and not politics.

[RendeR]

I disagree, we need as conservative a movement as possible. We cannot allow democratic flim-flammery to slow down the religious fervor of your beliefs!!!!




I got nothin'

[PurdueBrad]

Middle of the road Republican makes sense, particularly if Lathum is really pushing for KWhit (the most liberal candidate, and that is according to his post in the main thread [not cheating by reading the Dums thread]). Cronin is a strong player but I am happy to help as well.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I disagree, we need as conservative a movement as possible. We cannot allow democratic flim-flammery to slow down the religious fervor of your beliefs!!!!




I got nothin'

I do love that this comes from one of our most "moderately centrist" members!

[PurdueBrad]

Congressional Districts, so we have it all in one place:

1st: Most conservative, most Republican district--claphamsa
2nd: 2nd most "" ""--Passacaglia
3rd: 3rd most "" ""--Tyrith
4th: Moderately conservative, republican district--PurdueBrad
5th: Middle ground republican, leaning conservative--st.cronin
6th: Middle ground republican--Mrs. Schmidty
7th: Slightly centrist republican--illinifan999
8th: Moderately centrist republican--Render
9th: Strongly centrist, slight republican lean--jeheinz72
10th: Strongly centrist, slight democrat lean--henry296
11th: Moderately centrist democrat--Chubby
12th: Slightly centrist democrat--PackerFanatic
13th: Middle ground democrat--Eaglefan
14th: Middle ground democrat, leaning liberal--path12
15th: Moderately liberal, democrat district--mccollins
16th: 3rd most liberal, most democrat district--chesapeake
17th: 2nd most "" ""--Lathum
18th: Most "" ""--KWhit

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I do love that this comes from one of our most "moderately centrist" members!

*cackles* yeah this was posted before I read the main thread. It was more for a chuckle than for real. I'm very middle of the road.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

6th district checking in! Happy to help anyway I can. Just finished watching Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and I'm ready to bring honesty and integrity to our government!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I suggest we pick someone middle of the road conservative as our leader. We don't want to appear too weak by going to far to the center or too crazy by going as far right as I am -- or further. Purdue or cronin would be my immediate suggestion.

I should generally have a lot of availability during the day and am willing to serve as Liason or Whip as the need should arise, as those roles are more about practicality and not politics.

as far right? you appear to be a hippy to me!

[claphamsa]

I will be fund raising this morning (traingi) so i wont be availel, but ill be back at nonish

[Chief Rum]

I highly recommend picking a Leader and a Liaison as soon as possible, so you will be able to propose any bills on the floor. The sooner bills are proposed, the sooner they can be voted on and passed.

When you have made your choices, email me at [email protected] and let me know. I will then give the go ahead for you to start this.

I am off to work. See you all tonight.

[jeheinz72]

I'm ok with basically anyone as leader and liasion. I'd be happy to be either though I doubt it makes sense for me to be leader at all.

Let me know what I can do

[Passacaglia]

What do you guys think of discussing the choices as to what kind of politicians we want to be? I'm thinking we should try to get two of each choice?

[Passacaglia]

So is our leader also the presidential candidate? I figure we should throw all three supports behind the candidate, and put all three slurries on some dems. Maybe I don't have much handle on the bills, but I figure we can let those ride a little without support or slurry.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Congressional Districts, so we have it all in one place:

1st: Most conservative, most Republican district--claphamsa
2nd: 2nd most "" ""--Passacaglia
3rd: 3rd most "" ""--Tyrith
4th: Moderately conservative, republican district--PurdueBrad
5th: Middle ground republican, leaning conservative--st.cronin
6th: Middle ground republican--Mrs. Schmidty
7th: Slightly centrist republican--illinifan999
8th: Moderately centrist republican--Render
9th: Strongly centrist, slight republican lean--jeheinz72
10th: Strongly centrist, slight democrat lean--henry296
11th: Moderately centrist democrat--Chubby
12th: Slightly centrist democrat--PackerFanatic
13th: Middle ground democrat--Eaglefan
14th: Middle ground democrat, leaning liberal--path12
15th: Moderately liberal, democrat district--mccollins
16th: 3rd most liberal, most democrat district--chesapeake
17th: 2nd most "" ""--Lathum
18th: Most "" ""--KWhit

Thanks, PB. Looking at this, I'm thinking those of us further right (like me and clap) should focus on power over popularity, and those in the middle (like heinz and RendeR) should focus on popularity.

[Passacaglia]

From the way I read it, the Leader isn't necessarily the presidential candidate, right? I'm thinking someone at the extreme like me, clap, or Tyrith should be the Leader. Someone who's around a lot should be the liaison, like me, Tyrith, or maybe cronin, and someone close to the middle, like heinz, RendeR, illinifan, or Mrs. Schmidty should be President.

[Passacaglia]

The chosen Presidential candidates are assured of re-election in their districts, by virtue of the notoriety of their choice as their party's candidate.

On the other hand, I wonder if we can use this part of the rules to our advantage. If we have someone in danger of losing their own district, maybe we throw them up for President, to make sure they don't lose their seat in Congress? I guess it depends on how advantageous it is to have the President.

Which brings me to another part of the rules:

The President can be voted for as a Wolf while seated, but it only works if he actually is a Wolf, and receives a 2/3 vote. Any removal will be treated like an impeachment and subsequent removal from office, with similar effect. If he is voted as a Wolf and is not a Wolf, he will not be removed from office, regardless of the vote results, and votes for him will be ignored.

It sounds like voting for the President as a wolf gives us a free pass -- if he's not a wolf, then he doesn't get removed. My thinking is we can let the Dems win the Presidency, help one of our less popular folks keep their seat, then argue to vote for the President the next day. If we get a wolf, great. If the President is not a wolf, at least we have a COT, and we (hopefully) managed to save a Republican from being voted out.

[Tyrith]

Pass, the problem with that theory is that if the President is not a wolf it's going to be political suicide for the lot of us. Trying to oust a good president during a time of wolves? Might as well get ready to go back to the farm, because that's where we'd all wind up.

I can see your point about the leader, though, as we're probably going to have to nominate a centrist presidental candidate. I will serve if selected.

How do we want to pick someone? Just have a series of votes here, majority rules?

[RendeR]

I'm going to go with the all out honest good guy type. Since they don't truly exist it should be easy to fake it....

[RendeR]

I'm off to work, be back on after 2pm sometime.

[Tyrith]

I would say Render or heinz should be our presidential candidate.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Pass, the problem with that theory is that if the President is not a wolf it's going to be political suicide for the lot of us. Trying to oust a good president during a time of wolves? Might as well get ready to go back to the farm, because that's where we'd all wind up.

I can see your point about the leader, though, as we're probably going to have to nominate a centrist presidental candidate. I will serve if selected.

How do we want to pick someone? Just have a series of votes here, majority rules?

But votes for the President if he's not a wolf will be ignored -- so I don't think it will be suicide in that sense.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I would say Render or heinz should be our presidential candidate.

I agree with this -- I'm thinking whichever one we don't put up for Speaker. That is, unless we still want to punt on the Presidency.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But votes for the President if he's not a wolf will be ignored -- so I don't think it will be suicide in that sense.

They'll be ignored in the sense that he won't be ousted. I highly, highly doubt they'll be ignored politically.

[jeheinz72]

I'm ok with being the presidential nominee (and the plan to vote for me even once/if I am president).

[Passacaglia]

Sorry you can't be speaker, Heinz. I'm asking CR if we can unvote Speaker votes, but in case we can't, maybe we should all follow Mrs. Schmidty on her cronin vote? If it gets down to a 9-9 vote, I asked CR about tiebreakers -- he wouldn't say exactly, but he said they relate to political ideology and ability, for the most part. Maybe we can see what the Dems do, but I think we could win a cronin v. KWhit tiebreaker, since cronin is more centrist.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

They'll be ignored in the sense that he won't be ousted. I highly, highly doubt they'll be ignored politically.

I'll ask CR, instead of making the assumption.

[Passacaglia]

RendeR, you're in the thread. Will you be around at night? You're probably next in line for Speaker, as the 2nd most centrist.

[Passacaglia]

CR said that we can unvote for Speaker, but basically reminded me of the political ramifications of unvoting and revoting, that the public will think we're flip-floppers. This is making me lean a little more toward cronin, especially since I'm guessing we won't get any traction on a compromise with RendeR anyway. In the future, let's try not to put in early votes if we know we're going to be back before deadline.

[Passacaglia]

From CR:

They will be ignored from a Wolf Vote tally perspective. They will not be ignored politically, but the good news is that that impact (Wolf/Villager-wise) won’t be felt until the player who is President is out of the game, and his allegiance is known.



Of course, there could be political circumstances to voting for a President for wolf, though, especially if he is in your own party. J

[Passacaglia]

Tyrith, you and I seem pretty active in this game, and we're both at the conservative end of the spectrum. What say one of us be liaison, and the other be the leader? Maybe we can put that to a vote within the party, as to which is which.

[claphamsa]

im fine with whatever!

[claphamsa]

bill proposal


In keeping with the Christian values of this god fearing country, we herrebye desinate one person with a nightly probable causeless search of any and all citizens for islamic and or wolf terorist ties!

[claphamsa]

gotta start somewhere!

[Passacaglia]

claphamsa 1
Passacaglia 1
Tyrith 2
PurdueBrad 2
st.cronin 3
Mrs. Schmidty 4
illinifan999 4
Render 5
jeheinz72 5

My suggestions for everyone's 'type' of politician. This way, the people in the really conservative districts can negotiate backroom sort of deals, while people in centrist districts will be more popular characters nationally, and in less danger of losing their congressional seats. It's obviously just a suggestion, and you're all welcome to discuss other options, or not bother discussing and choose whatever you want.

[claphamsa]

also, i think our national leader should be someoen who has chosen more crookines!

since the speaker/president gets a big boost in poularity, the crooks need the help the most!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

bill proposal


In keeping with the Christian values of this god fearing country, we herrebye desinate one person with a nightly probable causeless search of any and all citizens for islamic and or wolf terorist ties!

You had me scared, I thought you were doing that in the public thread for a second, which could be disaster since we don't have a leader yet, and we only get one bill per day. But I think this is along the lines of the bill we want to propose. I'll comment more in my next post.

[Tyrith]

Pass, that deal works for me. It's up to you which way we go -- but we should probably hurry up and decide one way or another.

[claphamsa]

well only the leader can propose bills right? so I would think he woudl just ignore it, untill we elect someoen!

But isee why you woudl be scared!

[claphamsa]

FYI,
I will be on this evening! and if elected speaker, i will not sell our votes to anyone but big business!

[Passacaglia]

The Leader proposes the Bill, but can link it to one or two others. Should we link it to our Presidential Candidate? If the Bill passes, he'll benefit, but if the Bill fails, he'll lose clout. I say we attach our Candidate to the Bill, since it will likely get passed.

Also, I think we might be able to name the person who would be the seer. I asked CR if we can do that, or if we even have the option to leave it random. I also asked him if we can choose a random non-Wolf.

[claphamsa]

im pretty sure the bill would have to include our proposed seer in it?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Pass, that deal works for me. It's up to you which way we go -- but we should probably hurry up and decide one way or another.

I'd rather leave it up to other people then unilaterally decide this (especially if people want to dissent and nominate someone else for these roles -- let's say we'll tally up votes (or other thoughts) by 1:30 Eastern (when I usually get back from lunch)?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The Leader proposes the Bill, but can link it to one or two others. Should we link it to our Presidential Candidate? If the Bill passes, he'll benefit, but if the Bill fails, he'll lose clout. I say we attach our Candidate to the Bill, since it will likely get passed.

Also, I think we might be able to name the person who would be the seer. I asked CR if we can do that, or if we even have the option to leave it random. I also asked him if we can choose a random non-Wolf.

Well, he said we could choose or let it be random in the main thread.

My thought on how this is going to work -- we're going to have to have some kind of quid pro quo here, in order to get a seer and a BG. Once we have a party leader (pick me! :P) and a liason I would propose a quid pro quo via back channels with the other side, where they will let us pass a bill to select a Republican seer and we will let them pass a bill to pick a democratic BG.

Then our more conservative members can vote against their BG bill for political reasons, our moderate members can abstain or vote on their side, and vice versa for the seer bill, and everyone is happy.

I would say our seer should be someone that isn't our leader or presidental candidate. We want to make the wolves have to make choices on who they're going to kill. And at some point in the future we might want to pass one of two laws -- something that protects the seer or something that broadcasts the seer's results when he dies.

[illinifan999]

I just want to make sure I'm getting this. We propose a bill, and the dems propose a bill. So both bills can pass in the same night right?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Well, he said we could choose or let it be random in the main thread.

My thought on how this is going to work -- we're going to have to have some kind of quid pro quo here, in order to get a seer and a BG. Once we have a party leader (pick me! :P) and a liason I would propose a quid pro quo via back channels with the other side, where they will let us pass a bill to select a Republican seer and we will let them pass a bill to pick a democratic BG.

Then our more conservative members can vote against their BG bill for political reasons, our moderate members can abstain or vote on their side, and vice versa for the seer bill, and everyone is happy.

I would say our seer should be someone that isn't our leader or presidental candidate. We want to make the wolves have to make choices on who they're going to kill. And at some point in the future we might want to pass one of two laws -- something that protects the seer or something that broadcasts the seer's results when he dies.

If you'd rather be the Leader, I think I'd rather be the Liaison, anyway.

[Tyrith]

Although, upon thinking about it, with the stupid anti-seer riders and such we don't want to narrow their having to look for a seer too much, so maybe we should just make it a random republican.

I think we should start casting bold votes for our leader/liason thoughts -- unvoting won't matter because this is the backroom, and I think it will help us come to a consensus easier. I just don't want to be the first to do it because I will probably wind up voting for myself.

[claphamsa]

at least youh ave thoguht abotu this stuf...