Official 2015 College Football Week 13 thread

[cartman]

Quite a few match-ups between AP Top 25 teams this week:

Navy at Houston
Baylor at TCU
Ohio State at Michigan
Mississippi at Mississippi State
Florida State at Florida
Notre Dame at Stanford
Oklahoma at Oklahoma State

[Easy Mac]

who will LSU get in that could possibly do better than Les Miles?

[Logan]

I get that sometimes you just need to make a change, but it seems like that's about 3-5 years early here.

[Tigercat]

LSU fans look at LSU talent on NFL rosters over the last 10 years and wonder if any 4+ loss season is excusable, plus 8 years since the last national title.

Texas proves you can still screw up hiring even a sure thing at a top job, but even the most optimistic LSU fans don't see Miles bringing in another title. Feeling that pessimistic about future chances at a title isn't acceptable for a program that has the access to talent that LSU has. (Or USC, Texas, Florida,, etc)

[Tigercat]

Dola, and by the way, Les Miles is an awesome human being and it makes me sick that it has come to this point.

[Chief Rum]

Not a matchup of Top 25 teams but UCLA at USC on Saturday will be for the Pac 12 South title.

[CU Tiger]

LSU is a blue blood. I get it. I really do. They expect success and they should.

That said this is one of those situations where a touch of perspective would do all parties well.

LSU won 2 SEC championships in the 30 years before Nick Saban arrived there.
They won 5 total SEC Championships in the 65 years before Saban arrived there.

Saban won 2 in 4 years. Miles has won 2 in 10 years.

Saban is the historical anomaly in LSU's history. Miles is (statistically) better than any coach not named Saban to walk the sidelines in Baton Rouge.

On top of that you are 1 year removed from losing the DC because the administration refused to commit to him. Hiring Kevin Steele was as head scratchingly bad a decision as any I've seen on many levels and if Miles is to be fired for the Steele hire, well I can accept that.

But Les Miles is a recruiting machine.Be careful what you wish for Bayou Bengals, you might get it.

[CU Tiger]

DOLA- LSU has won 3 titles in 122 years of football. Miles owns one of those. Firing him because he hasn't won one in 8 years...that is a heck of a standard to live up to.

That said, I agree with Tigercat that I dont see him winning another anytime soon. With the athletes he has at his disposal he has to move to a spread/HUNH offense. Evolve or die.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

who will LSU get in that could possibly do better than Les Miles?

If there's a consensus that he's not winning another NC then maybe a 2% chance of hitting a home run is better than standing pat.

[ISiddiqui]

OTOH, as CU Tiger basically points out, sometimes you have to accept who you are and go with that.

(I think Nebraska after Tom Osborne is the quintessential case of this)

[Logan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

That said, I agree with Tigercat that I dont see him winning another anytime soon. With the athletes he has at his disposal he has to move to a spread/HUNH offense. Evolve or die.

I know it's been more than a decade but seeing this kind of line, here at FOFC, still makes me smile.

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

OTOH, as CU Tiger basically points out, sometimes you have to accept who you are and go with that.

(I think Nebraska after Tom Osborne is the quintessential case of this)

It might be an interesting exercise to consider who LSU really is. Louisiana has consistently had the most NFL players per capita for decades, and Louisiana has only one legit college football program. LSU was just a pretty good football program before the 80s in part because of racial issues. Lots of great African American players went to Grambling or Southern. In the 80s and 90s, LSU never found a coach to build LSU into the recruiting powerhouse it should have always been. It took mediocre recruiter and coach Gerry Dinardo to finally do that in the late 90s. If Gerry Dinardo can recruit multiple top 5ish recruiting classes at a school, nearly anyone can.

When Nick Saban left Michigan State for LSU, most people thought he was making a lateral move. But Saban is not a fool, he knew LSU was a sleeping giant recruiting-wise. LSU is no Nebraska, as long as it is the only major university in a talent rich state, it should be a program that can scare any team in the nation with its talent, and by no means should it lose back to back games to Ole Miss and Arkansas with the offensive talent on the team right now.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Logan

I know it's been more than a decade but seeing this kind of line, here at FOFC, still makes me smile.

WHen Urban Meyer was going to be shown how real football is played?

[Eaglesfan27]

FWIW, my friends who are big LSU fans think they will get Jimbo Fisher to jump from FSU.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

FWIW, my friends who are big LSU fans think they will get Jimbo Fisher to jump from FSU.

Yes, I'm sure they do. And yet how often do big moves like this actually come to fruition?

I get that LSU fans look at the talent in-state and think they should be doing better than Miles has lately, and that he's falling behind the times. But canning Miles is a risky move.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Yes, I'm sure they do. And yet how often do big moves like this actually come to fruition?

I get that LSU fans look at the talent in-state and think they should be doing better than Miles has lately, and that he's falling behind the times. But canning Miles is a risky move.

I agree, but I have to think that LSU wouldn't actually pull the trigger on Miles unless they have something lined up.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree, but I have to think that LSU wouldn't actually pull the trigger on Miles unless they have something lined up.

For their sake I hope so.

Any rumblings on USC? Is Helton still a candidate? Will they make a big push for Whittingham?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

WHen Urban Meyer was going to be shown how real football is played?

You mean CUM right?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

For their sake I hope so.

Any rumblings on USC? Is Helton still a candidate? Will they make a big push for Whittingham?

Lots of rumors. Who knows what is true.

[Butter]

This LSU argument reminds me of the argument we had when Houston Nutt was getting fired at Arkansas.

[CU Tiger]

Jimbo wants out of Tallahassee. I KNOW that to be true.
Whether lsu lands him, I've no idea.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Jimbo wants out of Tallahassee. I KNOW that to be true.
Whether lsu lands him, I've no idea.

That is the rumor I had heard too. LSU makes a lot of sense as a landing spot if they pony up the bucks and I think they must have their guy ready to go before they let go of Miles.

[MrBug708]

Speaking of coaching rumors, one USC board has John Harbaugh all but coming to Southern Cal, while another is saying Chip Kelly is in negotiations with Southern Cal

[HomerSimpson98]

LSU wins IN SPITE of Miles.

[Easy Mac]

So I see where the WSU program has said Luke Fall is ready to play. How can they be that irresponsible. Watch the video is the most recent hit, he went full T-Rex arms, that's a horrible concussion. Never mind the game before where he literally tried to crawl off the field.

How can Mike Leach continue to be so irresponsible and get away with it?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

How can Mike Leach continue to be so irresponsible and get away with it?

Since we are all about being politically incorrect nowadays, it is not his responsibility to decide if the player is healthy enough to play. If the doc says the player is ready to play and the coach believes he is going to help him win (and save his job), the player will be on the field.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Since we are all about being politically incorrect nowadays, it is not his responsibility to decide if the player is healthy enough to play. If the doc says the player is ready to play and the coach believes he is going to help him win (and save his job), the player will be on the field.

This.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

OTOH, as CU Tiger basically points out, sometimes you have to accept who you are and go with that.

(I think Nebraska after Tom Osborne is the quintessential case of this)

Indiana getting rid of Bill Mallory in the mid 90s is another example. Not happy with being a Top 25ish team, they brought in Cam Cameron in an attempt to climb higher. The result? One bowl season since 1993.

Indiana Hoosiers football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

OTOH, as CU Tiger basically points out, sometimes you have to accept who you are and go with that.

(I think Nebraska after Tom Osborne is the quintessential case of this)

Or Michigan after Lloyd Carr left, but before Harbaugh returned like Aragorn!

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

When Nick Saban left Michigan State for LSU, most people thought he was making a lateral move. But Saban is not a fool, he knew LSU was a sleeping giant recruiting-wise. LSU is no Nebraska, as long as it is the only major university in a talent rich state, it should be a program that can scare any team in the nation with its talent, and by no means should it lose back to back games to Ole Miss and Arkansas with the offensive talent on the team right now.

Every once in a while programs get really shell shocked by a loss which carries over a while. It happens. However, using the example of what Nick Saban did isn't exactly all that compelling - there is only one Nick Saban. It may all work out if LSU gets Jimbo Fisher, but I can't see him do much better than Miles, esp because a Saban led Alabama is in the SEC West as well. And if LSU doesn't get Fisher, well it may get ugly.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Indiana getting rid of Bill Mallory in the mid 90s is another example. Not happy with being a Top 25ish team, they brought in Cam Cameron in an attempt to climb higher. The result? One bowl season since 1993.

Indiana Hoosiers football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But they were 5-17 in his last two seasons, with only one bowl appearance in his last five. And 8 years removed from being in the top 25.

That's not exactly a short leash.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Every once in a while programs get really shell shocked by a loss which carries over a while. It happens. However, using the example of what Nick Saban did isn't exactly all that compelling - there is only one Nick Saban. It may all work out if LSU gets Jimbo Fisher, but I can't see him do much better than Miles, esp because a Saban led Alabama is in the SEC West as well. And if LSU doesn't get Fisher, well it may get ugly.

The irony is Jimbo is Les Miles.
He can recruit his ass off but is seldom the best coach on the field.

Major difference is Jimbo can (supposedly) recruit and develop QBs. Jimbo will stick with a pro-style offense, he is way too conservative in big games (when he doesn't have Jameis Winston at QB even more so), and can't keep a staff together.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Since we are all about being politically incorrect nowadays, it is not his responsibility to decide if the player is healthy enough to play. If the doc says the player is ready to play and the coach believes he is going to help him win (and save his job), the player will be on the field.

Unless the Coach overrules the doctors. There have been reports in the past at WSU of such behavior by Leach.

[tarcone]

Iowa travels to Nebraska. This is a rivalry game. The Heroes trophy is on the line. Iowa trying to go 12-0 and Nebby trying to become bowl eligible.

Big game. Im worried. In fact, this one scares me more than MSU.

Go Hawks!!!

[HomerSimpson98]

Hate to admit it, but Jimbo in LSU is a scary thought.

I have no doubts that LSU will kick our ass on Saturday, putting all the Fire Les talk on the backburner. And he backs into a 12-0 or 11-1 season next year.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Unless the Coach overrules the doctors. There have been reports in the past at WSU of such behavior by Leach.

If that is the case, I expect to not only see Leach gone but the athletic director and the school chancellor as well in the same way things were handled at Illinois. Correct me if I am wrong, hasn't Leach been investigated and cleared of that sort of behavior at WSU already?

Understand this is not about me thinking the players should be tougher or anything like that. I am just past the point of expecting the football coaches at FBS level (or the NFL for that matter) to give a damn about the health of their players over wins and losses.

[CU Tiger]

Leach was accused of the concussion drama at Texas Tech.

As of this year a coach can't overrule concussion protocol in NCAA. Thats a NCAA disbarment level transgression.

[tarcone]

I have a friend who is a JV basketball coach here. Every year the state athletic association requires the coaches to watch a video on concussions and take a test.
So that type of behavior, with all the worry about concussions, should get a coach banned from coaching at any level.

If it was my kid put into this situation, I would own the university.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Leach was accused of the concussion drama at Texas Tech.

As of this year a coach can't overrule concussion protocol in NCAA. Thats a NCAA disbarment level transgression.

Is it? Pretty sure the NCAA is not levying any penalties for not following protocols, and said protocols are not standardized across schools - they are each allowed to create their own protocols.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Is it? Pretty sure the NCAA is not levying any penalties for not following protocols, and said protocols are not standardized across schools - they are each allowed to create their own protocols.

Here's something I didn't know: the recommended concussion protocol also restricts classroom activity (scroll towards the bottom, return-to-learn section)

Concussion guidelines | NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA

Meanwhile, I've seen first hand at the high school level the problems that an overzealous program can cause. Led to the {coughFiringcough} "decision not to renew the long-running contract" with our medical services provider
(local sports medicine clinic(s) contract to various schools for sideline personnel rather than have them added to the full-time payroll)

We ended up with, well, a zealot who actively looked to nuke kids from playing. I mean above & beyond what as many as three doctors independently were clearing kids, trainer was insisting on holding them out. A kid would sprain his ankle, she'd start trying to run the tests against the baselines. It got ridiculous and really created a deep animosity towards the entire subject. I really thought someone would eventually drag her from the sideline & give her a concussion of her own.

[cartman]

Baylor is now down to their 3rd string QB, a guy that played WR most of this season.

[CU Tiger]

Another reason Jimbo has already packed his bags...

FSU official details favorable treatment of players - Yahoo Sports

[MizzouRah]

I would love to have Les Miles at Missouri.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Another reason Jimbo has already packed his bags...

FSU official details favorable treatment of players - Yahoo Sports

Because of media hatchet jobs?

I'm not a fan of Fisher, nor of FSU for that matter, but I don't see anything particularly new in that story nor anything particularly credible when it's based on statements from someone who had a job primarily because of today's victim culture.

[NobodyHere]

You had one job today Toledo...

[tarcone]

Iowa beats Nebraska, 28-20. We go 12-0. First 12 win season in school history.

And they won without converting a 3rd down

I am so excited. Just an unbelievable season


On to the B1G championship game.


GO HAWKS!!!!

[lungs]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa beats Nebraska, 28-20. We go 12-0. First 12 win season in school history.

And they won without converting a 3rd down

I am so excited. Just an unbelievable season


On to the B1G championship game.


GO HAWKS!!!!

Congrats on the great season, I'll be pulling for Iowa in the Championship game for sure.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by lungs

Congrats on the great season, I'll be pulling for Iowa in the Championship game for sure.

Ditto! What a fantastic season for Iowa!!

[CU Tiger]

Crazy 1st quarter in Columbia.
Time for my Tigers to settle down.

In a related note got tix from a friend and.... I can high five God on big plays. 1 row behind me in the entire stadium.

[Eaglesfan27]

Multiple reports that Fuente is going to Virginia Tech.