NFL Week 6-Revised Bounty Suspensions.

stevew · 10-09-2012, 03:59 PM

Yeah, many more weeks of discussion about the tragic injustice that has been hoisted upon Jonathan Vilma

Sources -- Roger Goodell upholds suspensions of Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith - ESPN

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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has reduced the bounty-related suspensions of two New Orleans Saints players while upholding the punishments of two others, a source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

Linebacker Scott Fujita's three-game suspension has been reduced to one while defensive end Anthony Hargrove's eight-game penalty has been trimmed to seven games, the source said.

The suspensions of linebacker Jonathan Vilma and defensive end Will Smith will remain the same, the source added.

Vilma is on the Saints physically unable to perform list and will not be eligible to play this year but can keep the money he has been paid for six weeks on the PUP list, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder.

The four players have 72 hours to appeal Goodell's latest ruling. Should they choose to do that, the understanding is that they would be allowed to play until the appeal process is completed, a source told Werder.

Goodell appoints the person who will hear the appeal and last time chose to do so himself. He is scheduled to formally announce his redeterminations involving the punished Saints players Tuesday afternoon.

The players had been suspended as a result of a bounty pool that league investigators have said the Saints ran for three seasons from 2009-11, but the bans had been vacated on technical, jurisdictional grounds by an appeal panel operating within the NFL's collective bargaining agreement. That decision had led to the re-instatement of the four players and has forced Goodell to begin the disciplinary process for the players over again.

In addition to fighting their previous suspensions through procedures called for by the NFL's labor agreement, the four players have also sued in federal court in New Orleans. Vilma has his own attorneys, while the NFL Players Association has represented the other three. Only Vilma has sued for defamation. The other federal claims, made by all four players, generally state that Goodell violated labor law by failing to act as an impartial arbitrator. They also ask the judge to bar the commissioner from punishing the players in the bounty matter.

stevew · 10-09-2012, 04:02 PM

Steelers and Titans on Thursday night. It would be great to see the Steelers take a poor Titans squad to the woodshed.

DaddyTorgo · 10-09-2012, 04:34 PM

Good for the Commish.

Buccaneer · 10-09-2012, 06:05 PM

Tragic injustice??!!?? Vilma and the others got off easier than they should have.

stevew · 10-09-2012, 06:08 PM

Forgot to include the mocking air quotes around tragic injustice.

Fuck Vilma and the Saints.

Grover · 10-09-2012, 07:42 PM

While I agree these players got off easier than they should have, Goodell wields far too much power.

stevew · 10-09-2012, 08:32 PM

Not sure how Goodell has too much power. The union and owners deemed him the sole arbiter of punishment. Vilma finds a sympathetic court who define conditions and authority. Then Goodell reaffirms using different language. I think it's fine how it works. Slapping 10k in cash on a table to encourage injuries is pretty low.

molson · 10-09-2012, 08:47 PM

Don't the other sports leave discipline to single individuals? Not sure who handles appeals, but it's not like discipline is overturned very often.

Logan · 10-10-2012, 11:46 AM

Donald Brown had his knee scoped and is out 2-3 weeks.

Funny part is that I got an email from my brother on our fantasy football email chain about this a couple hours ago before anything broke. One of those "I work with a guy who knows a guy who is friends with a girl who is like a sister to Donald Brown..."

miami_fan · 10-11-2012, 12:24 AM

So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?

kingfc22 · 10-11-2012, 12:22 PM

Drew Brees needs to just stop already.

Drew Brees slams bounty probe

Logan · 10-11-2012, 07:48 PM

The color commentator on the NFL-owned network actually uttered the words "Dude, that's a great throw!" a few minutes ago.

Suburban Rhythm · 10-11-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?

You mean the league that doesn't allow you dive at a QB below the waist, but has said you can do that to a defensive player, as long as you don't start from too far away before taking out a knee?

stevew · 10-11-2012, 08:04 PM

I hope Mike Wallace teams up with RG3 next year.

stevew · 10-11-2012, 08:17 PM

Blocked punt. Crap.

Lathum · 10-11-2012, 08:19 PM

Jesus Christ, Chris Johnson cant get one freaking yard

Suburban Rhythm · 10-11-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Blocked punt. Crap.

Chris Gardocki would never let that crap happen.

bhlloy · 10-11-2012, 08:21 PM

God created Chris Johnson to troll fantasy players

stevew · 10-11-2012, 09:52 PM

These are the good refs?

stevew · 10-11-2012, 09:53 PM

Dola-Brown play wasn't even close. This one is most likely a tuck situation

stevew · 10-11-2012, 09:55 PM

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

Buccaneer · 10-11-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

Probably it's time to give them another raise then.

Swaggs · 10-11-2012, 10:37 PM

I miss the good ol' days, when the Steelers had defensive players that made plays to shut down those last ditch drives. Carnell Lake, Woodson, and young Troy P. used to almost always come up with a turnover or a big play that shut down last minute drives.

stevew · 10-11-2012, 10:44 PM

Shitty kicker strikes again.

stevew · 10-11-2012, 10:46 PM

Awesome Dick Lebeau 4th quarter D

kingfc22 · 10-11-2012, 10:49 PM

Ninja timeout before the ninja kick.

bhlloy · 10-11-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Shitty kicker strikes again.

Right, because 54 is so routine

If Ben runs for the three or four yards he could have easily got, the kick would have been good

PilotMan · 10-11-2012, 10:50 PM

I am so disgusted with sports right now. Baseball, football, curling, it doesn't matter. Nothing is going right.

stevew · 10-11-2012, 10:51 PM

54 is rapidly becoming a chip shot.

They should have gone for it or punted and gone for OT. Suisham doesn't have that kind of leg.

Suburban Rhythm · 10-11-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Shitty kicker strikes again.

He's 9-9 before that kick. Tomlin has to reconsider that kick. The miss gives Tennessee the ball at midfield.

The only thing I'm surprised by was Tennessee didn't just throw passes deep down the sideline to get another two DPI calls and put them inside the 20.

bhlloy · 10-11-2012, 10:54 PM

I do agree Tomlin shouldn't have kicked it from 54, but if your kickers range is around 50, and you have the chance to run for 4-5 yards to get him inside that range, you have to know that.

stevew · 10-11-2012, 10:57 PM

Ike Taylor is so awful.

gstelmack · 10-12-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

But they have the media on their side now so no big deal made about it.

However, Goodell will soon have the ability and pool of backups to replace guys who aren't calling things right.

Sun Tzu · 10-12-2012, 09:26 PM

Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?

Matthean · 10-12-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?

You don't make Jim angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

Matthean · 10-13-2012, 07:43 PM

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles

Thomkal · 10-13-2012, 09:07 PM

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Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles

Well Dan Carpenter has been pretty bad this season....

mauchow · 10-14-2012, 09:30 AM

What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...

Sun Tzu · 10-14-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...

NFL Redzone channel to the rescue.

I'd love...LOVE to see the 49ers just pummel the Giants today. Something like 42-10. Just complete domination in every phase of the game, not unlike the 49ers last two games.

Then I'd like to see Gillbride blame the loss on Justin Smith holding onto his O-linemen, or something else equally minuscule.

Thomkal · 10-14-2012, 10:39 AM

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40.

Sun Tzu · 10-14-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40.

I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.

jbergey22 · 10-14-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles

Haha. I can see it if it was for 50 million or something but for 10K, lol.... Tightasses.

3 yards shy of the NFL record for 10k.

kingfc22 · 10-14-2012, 11:34 AM

Tough week for the Niners kicks off today as they begin their portion of the two games in five days part of the schedule.

I expect today's game to come down to the final two minutes.

Apathetic Lurker · 10-14-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40.

Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?

bulletsponge · 10-14-2012, 01:18 PM

Romo romoing it

miami_fan · 10-14-2012, 01:18 PM

I know he was written off as a bust after the 2nd quarter of the first game, but Tannehill might be okay as a starter for the Dolphins.

Desnudo · 10-14-2012, 01:25 PM

Claiborne decked by Smith, called for pass interference

Julio Riddols · 10-14-2012, 01:29 PM

THERE WAS A SECOND LEFT!

Thomkal · 10-14-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.

The only thing Kolb will be able to do is throw the ball-no line to protect him and no line to make holes for whatever running back they use. I'd probably still go with Smith cause he's at home and out for revenge against the Giants.

Thomkal · 10-14-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?

Knowing how my predictions normally work, wouldn't surprise me if Arizona wins 3-0 in OT.

10-09-2012, 06:08 PM	#5
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Forgot to include the mocking air quotes around tragic injustice. Fuck Vilma and the Saints. Last edited by stevew : 10-09-2012 at 06:11 PM.

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10-11-2012, 10:37 PM	#23
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I miss the good ol' days, when the Steelers had defensive players that made plays to shut down those last ditch drives. Carnell Lake, Woodson, and young Troy P. used to almost always come up with a turnover or a big play that shut down last minute drives. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-09-2012, 04:02 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Steelers and Titans on Thursday night. It would be great to see the Steelers take a poor Titans squad to the woodshed.

10-09-2012, 04:34 PM	#3
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Good for the Commish.

10-09-2012, 06:05 PM	#4
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Tragic injustice??!!?? Vilma and the others got off easier than they should have.

10-09-2012, 08:32 PM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Not sure how Goodell has too much power. The union and owners deemed him the sole arbiter of punishment. Vilma finds a sympathetic court who define conditions and authority. Then Goodell reaffirms using different language. I think it's fine how it works. Slapping 10k in cash on a table to encourage injuries is pretty low.

10-09-2012, 08:47 PM	#8
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Don't the other sports leave discipline to single individuals? Not sure who handles appeals, but it's not like discipline is overturned very often.

10-10-2012, 11:46 AM	#9
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Donald Brown had his knee scoped and is out 2-3 weeks. Funny part is that I got an email from my brother on our fantasy football email chain about this a couple hours ago before anything broke. One of those "I work with a guy who knows a guy who is friends with a girl who is like a sister to Donald Brown..."

10-11-2012, 07:48 PM	#12
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	The color commentator on the NFL-owned network actually uttered the words "Dude, that's a great throw!" a few minutes ago.

10-11-2012, 08:04 PM	#14
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I hope Mike Wallace teams up with RG3 next year.

10-11-2012, 08:17 PM	#15
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Blocked punt. Crap.

10-11-2012, 08:19 PM	#16
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jesus Christ, Chris Johnson cant get one freaking yard

10-11-2012, 08:21 PM	#18
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	God created Chris Johnson to troll fantasy players

10-11-2012, 09:52 PM	#19
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	These are the good refs?

10-11-2012, 09:53 PM	#20
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Dola-Brown play wasn't even close. This one is most likely a tuck situation

10-11-2012, 09:55 PM	#21
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

10-11-2012, 10:44 PM	#24
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Shitty kicker strikes again.

10-11-2012, 10:46 PM	#25
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Awesome Dick Lebeau 4th quarter D

10-11-2012, 10:49 PM	#26
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10-11-2012, 10:51 PM	#29
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	54 is rapidly becoming a chip shot. They should have gone for it or punted and gone for OT. Suisham doesn't have that kind of leg.

10-11-2012, 10:54 PM	#31
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I do agree Tomlin shouldn't have kicked it from 54, but if your kickers range is around 50, and you have the chance to run for 4-5 yards to get him inside that range, you have to know that.

10-11-2012, 10:57 PM	#32
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Ike Taylor is so awful.

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10-14-2012, 09:30 AM	#38
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	What a bad set of 12:00CT games today. Dallas/Ravens maybe...

10-14-2012, 10:39 AM	#40
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve. Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40.

10-14-2012, 11:34 AM	#43
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10-14-2012, 01:18 PM	#45
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	Romo romoing it

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