The 2023 MLB Season Thread - Page 15

GrantDawg · 11-08-2023, 03:41 PM

Angles are hiring Ron Washington and all the Braves fans are sad to see him go. Just an all around good guy. Hope he has success in what looks like a rebuilding project.

GrantDawg · 11-08-2023, 04:07 PM

It's hard to overstate Ron Washington's importance to the #Braves over the past seven years. More than just a typical coach, he was a motivator, a clubhouse and dugout mood-setter, ever-positive but honest with players, and with more energy at 71 than many 21-year-olds. — David O'Brien (@DOBrienATL) November 8, 2023

miami_fan · 11-08-2023, 07:27 PM

$8 mil for the middle manager?!

stevew · 11-08-2023, 07:48 PM

Where does Ron Washington get all that energy?

sovereignstar v2 · 11-08-2023, 08:18 PM

Please stop causing problems

RainMaker · 11-08-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

So did anybody have Counsell to the Cubs on their bingo card?

Nope and no one else in Chicago did. Wasn't a single rumor about it. Everyone thought Ross was safe.

Counsell is a better manager but that's a lot to pay. Ross is a bit of a cult hero here and probably finished above expectations last season. The only thing I can think of is that the Cubs have a stacked farm system and Ross really hates playing young guys. Maybe they thought he would stunt their development.

stevew · 11-15-2023, 08:06 AM

You know it’s a franchise in a bad spot when a surprise arm injury to Johan Oviedo has the fan base on a ledge.

Ghost Econ · 11-21-2023, 02:31 PM

This year's hall of fame ballot is the first to make me feel really old.

JPhillips · 11-21-2023, 02:55 PM

I don't understand the Cards jumping in early for Lynn and Gibson. I'd rather spend their combined salaries on a much better pitcher.

GrantDawg · 11-25-2023, 12:26 PM

IDK what league this is, but Kung-fu Panda probably should count as three runs.
Pablo Sandoval just hit the first ever six-run home run It was a "moneyball at bat" so the runs counted as double pic.twitter.com/5ST2PUJdPz — Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) November 25, 2023

stevew · 11-27-2023, 10:41 AM

Why doesn’t Division 1 baseball use wooden bats? I know it’s more expensive probably. But it’s still a rounding error I would assume. I get why Div2 won’t, but the top 25 schools are all drawing more than 3000 fans a game.

molson · 11-27-2023, 10:45 AM

I love that Sandoval is thinner now than he was the season after he signed that huge contract with the Red Sox.

I guess the motivation comes back once you can't stick in the Mexican League and are trying to earn at-bats for your "Dubai Baseball United League" team

Atocep · 11-27-2023, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Why doesn’t Division 1 baseball use wooden bats? I know it’s more expensive probably. But it’s still a rounding error I would assume. I get why Div2 won’t, but the top 25 schools are all drawing more than 3000 fans a game.

With the BBCOR bats there isn't a huge difference between wood and metal anymore, from a performance perspective. The cost effectiveness just doesn't make sense for a sport that already loses money for most schools. The biggest difference is the obvious, you aren't going to break a metal bat with a bad swing on a ball on the inner half.

Most D1 schools also don't pay for their metal bats and they're not going to find a bat maker for wood bats that's going to be willing to do the same.

My son's juco league is a wood bat league and even using composite wood bats, which cost about the same as a good metal bat, they'll go through 2-3 a year. So about 1k in bats right there per player.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-03-2023, 10:05 PM

Braves get - Jarred Kelenic, Marco Gonzales, Evan White

Mariners get - Jackson Kowar, Cole Phillips

Atocep · 12-03-2023, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves get - Jarred Kelenic, Marco Gonzales, Evan White

Mariners get - Jackson Kowar, Cole Phillips

It's an interesting trade. The Mariners are betting big on Cole Philips. The Braves are betting they can fix Kelenic and get some rotational depth with Gonzales.

Personally, I don't think Kelenic is fixable. You won't see many guys worse on anything offspeed. Especially offspeed and down in zone.

I think the Mariners did a good job of getting a solid prospect for Kelenic before the hype completely falls of Kelenic. It's the braves, though, so kelenic probably hits 40 homers this year.

Jon · 12-03-2023, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

It's an interesting trade. The Mariners are betting big on Cole Philips. The Braves are betting they can fix Kelenic and get some rotational depth with Gonzales.

Personally, I don't think Kelenic is fixable. You won't see many guys worse on anything offspeed. Especially offspeed and down in zone.

I think the Mariners did a good job of getting a solid prospect for Kelenic before the hype completely falls of Kelenic. It's the braves, though, so kelenic probably hits 40 homers this year.

This is a salary dump, plain and simple. The team is not committed to winning. It seems odd why the team wants to commit to "payroll flexibility."

But hey, they'll get that operating income championship again.

stevew · 12-04-2023, 01:05 AM

That Evan White contract was absolutely terrible.

miami_fan · 12-04-2023, 11:42 AM

Congrats to Jim Leyland for being elected to the Hall of Fame.

What is the criteria for a Hall of Fame umpire?

GrantDawg · 12-04-2023, 02:03 PM

Rosenthal says the Braves are not planning to keep Gonzales, that he is being pitch in another trade. Now, here is the dream. Gonzales, Ozuna and Raisel Iglesias all get traded out. Those salaries pretty much total out what Shohei's expected yearly salary. It sounds insane, but somehow Morosi says the Braves are still in discussions with his camp.

RainMaker · 12-04-2023, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What is the criteria for a Hall of Fame umpire?

Someone that umpires for 30 years and you don't recognize them at all.

BYU 14 · 12-04-2023, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Someone that umpires for 30 years and you don't recognize them at all.

This!!!

Or, just think complete polar opposite of Angel Hernandez and C.B Bucknor

miami_fan · 12-04-2023, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Someone that umpires for 30 years and you don't recognize them at all.

Hopefully that is the standard. Joe West was up for consideration this year and did not make it. Cool

JPhillips · 12-05-2023, 05:55 PM

Good day for Ohio as Cleveland and Cincy go 1-2 in the MLB draft lottery.

stevew · 12-05-2023, 11:16 PM

Pretty yikes that the Nats won but were ineligible and now pick 10th.

stevew · 12-06-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Rosenthal says the Braves are not planning to keep Gonzales, that he is being pitch in another trade. Now, here is the dream. Gonzales, Ozuna and Raisel Iglesias all get traded out. Those salaries pretty much total out what Shohei's expected yearly salary. It sounds insane, but somehow Morosi says the Braves are still in discussions with his camp.

Gonzales redirected to the pirates. Yay I guess we have 2 starters now.

GrantDawg · 12-06-2023, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Gonzales redirected to the pirates. Yay I guess we have 2 starters now.

I'm buying a jersey with "PTBNL" on the back.

JPhillips · 12-07-2023, 09:20 AM

I was thinking this morning about how the Mets should go all in on becoming the team of Japanese stars. Senga, Yamamoto, and Ohtani would bring in massive money in merchandising and licensing in Japan. They could end up making money on the 100 mil a year it might cost to sign all three.

Swaggs · 12-07-2023, 01:17 PM

I'm just excited that the Pirates picked up OOTP2019 legend Seth Beer in the minor league round of the Rule 5. That man was a hall of fame in every career I played in that version.

JPhillips · 12-07-2023, 02:23 PM

The Javier Saviola of OOTP.

RainMaker · 12-07-2023, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm just excited that the Pirates picked up OOTP2019 legend Seth Beer in the minor league round of the Rule 5. That man was a hall of fame in every career I played in that version.

I had to pull up an old save but he won 2 MVPs in mine.

flere-imsaho · 12-07-2023, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Javier Saviola of OOTP.

Breeze · 12-08-2023, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I had to pull up an old save but he won 2 MVPs in mine.

By the way. That Seth Beer is the same kid that set all the swim records for Swim Atlanta when my kids were growing up. I’m pretty sure he got a couple mentions in the swim dynasty thread.

GrantDawg · 12-08-2023, 10:00 AM

Ohtani is expected to sign today, and it is looking like the Blue Jays.

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sovereignstar v2 · 12-08-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Ohanti is expected to sign today, and it is looking like the Blue Jays.

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who?

GrantDawg · 12-08-2023, 10:49 AM

Corrected, but like you didn't know who I was talking about.

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GrantDawg · 12-08-2023, 03:51 PM

He is on the plane to Toronto, but still no official confirmation or anything about terms.

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molson · 12-08-2023, 04:17 PM

Sounds like there's just a plane flying from Anaheim to Toronto being tracked on Flight Aware and everybody is assuming it's Ohtani.

GrantDawg · 12-08-2023, 04:32 PM

Jon Morosi was the one that reported he was on it. Now Bob Nightengale says he wasn't and he still home. Morosi is the guy when it comes to these announcement, and now has egg all over his face.

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molson · 12-08-2023, 04:59 PM

Hilarious. The baseball subreddit is melting down, calling for Jon Morosi to be banned, trying to track other flights, its madness.

stevew · 12-09-2023, 08:53 AM

I don’t know how cognizant Ohtani is of the Japanese market, but I doubt he breaks any news while the island is asleep. I think any major announcement would be made between 7-10PM Eastern

cartman · 12-09-2023, 02:26 PM

To the Dodgers. 10 years $700 million

RainMaker · 12-09-2023, 02:51 PM

Thats a lot of money. Glad he goes to a major team because that's a guy baseball fans deserve to see in the playoffs every year. Shame we never got to see this with Trout.

GrantDawg · 12-09-2023, 02:51 PM

Sounds like some of the money will be differed, but still that is insane money. More than the GDP of 12 countries.

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GrantDawg · 12-09-2023, 04:18 PM

Actually the report is most of the money will be differed. He is giving the team flexibility under the luxury tax.

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frnk55 · 12-09-2023, 05:29 PM

I hate the F'N Dodgers. They have more money than God.

MrBug708 · 12-09-2023, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frnk55

I hate the F'N Dodgers. They have more money than God.

Dodgers aren't even the richest owners in baseball. They just have an owner who isn't using his team as a fun hobby.

Atocep · 12-09-2023, 07:59 PM

Over half is deferred. The actual cost in today's estimated dollars on the contract is about $550 mil from what I've read.

If he can still pitch after TJ it should be a solid contract.

Mota · 12-09-2023, 08:42 PM

I'd rather spend 300 mil for a pitcher and 200 mil for a batter, personally. Given that he's already 29, and going to miss the next season for his pitching at least. But the Dodgers can afford to lose him because their roster is already packed with superstars. It would be much more devastating for a team like the Jays.

Ksyrup · 12-11-2023, 05:18 PM

$2M/year and then $680M for the 10 years after his contract ends? Interesting.

EDIT: I chuckled!

The dude is gonna need JG Wentworth https://t.co/bhL2WNnPPr
— Eric Wayne (@EricWaynesBrain) December 11, 2023

Atocep · 12-11-2023, 05:55 PM

I don't think you're going to see many players willing to take a contract like that, but I could see this moving MLB to crack down on deferred money.

11-08-2023, 07:27 PM	#703
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	$8 mil for the middle manager?! __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

11-08-2023, 08:18 PM	#705
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Please stop causing problems Last edited by sovereignstar v2 : 11-08-2023 at 08:18 PM.

11-21-2023, 02:55 PM	#709
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I don't understand the Cards jumping in early for Lynn and Gibson. I'd rather spend their combined salaries on a much better pitcher. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-27-2023, 10:45 AM	#712
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I love that Sandoval is thinner now than he was the season after he signed that huge contract with the Red Sox. I guess the motivation comes back once you can't stick in the Mexican League and are trying to earn at-bats for your "Dubai Baseball United League" team Last edited by molson : 11-27-2023 at 10:46 AM.

12-03-2023, 10:05 PM	#714
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Braves get - Jarred Kelenic, Marco Gonzales, Evan White Mariners get - Jackson Kowar, Cole Phillips __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-08-2023, 03:41 PM	#701
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Angles are hiring Ron Washington and all the Braves fans are sad to see him go. Just an all around good guy. Hope he has success in what looks like a rebuilding project.

11-08-2023, 04:07 PM	#702
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	`It's hard to overstate Ron Washington's importance to the #Braves over the past seven years. More than just a typical coach, he was a motivator, a clubhouse and dugout mood-setter, ever-positive but honest with players, and with more energy at 71 than many 21-year-olds. — David O'Brien (@DOBrienATL) November 8, 2023`

11-08-2023, 07:48 PM	#704
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Where does Ron Washington get all that energy?

11-15-2023, 08:06 AM	#707
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You know it’s a franchise in a bad spot when a surprise arm injury to Johan Oviedo has the fan base on a ledge.

11-21-2023, 02:31 PM	#708
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	This year's hall of fame ballot is the first to make me feel really old.

11-25-2023, 12:26 PM	#710
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	IDK what league this is, but Kung-fu Panda probably should count as three runs. `Pablo Sandoval just hit the first ever six-run home run It was a "moneyball at bat" so the runs counted as double pic.twitter.com/5ST2PUJdPz — Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) November 25, 2023`

11-27-2023, 10:41 AM	#711
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Why doesn’t Division 1 baseball use wooden bats? I know it’s more expensive probably. But it’s still a rounding error I would assume. I get why Div2 won’t, but the top 25 schools are all drawing more than 3000 fans a game.

12-04-2023, 01:05 AM	#717
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	That Evan White contract was absolutely terrible.

12-04-2023, 11:42 AM	#718
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Congrats to Jim Leyland for being elected to the Hall of Fame. What is the criteria for a Hall of Fame umpire? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

12-04-2023, 02:03 PM	#719
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Rosenthal says the Braves are not planning to keep Gonzales, that he is being pitch in another trade. Now, here is the dream. Gonzales, Ozuna and Raisel Iglesias all get traded out. Those salaries pretty much total out what Shohei's expected yearly salary. It sounds insane, but somehow Morosi says the Braves are still in discussions with his camp.

12-05-2023, 05:55 PM	#723
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Good day for Ohio as Cleveland and Cincy go 1-2 in the MLB draft lottery. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-05-2023, 11:16 PM	#724
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Pretty yikes that the Nats won but were ineligible and now pick 10th. Last edited by stevew : 12-06-2023 at 02:36 AM.

12-07-2023, 09:20 AM	#727
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I was thinking this morning about how the Mets should go all in on becoming the team of Japanese stars. Senga, Yamamoto, and Ohtani would bring in massive money in merchandising and licensing in Japan. They could end up making money on the 100 mil a year it might cost to sign all three. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-07-2023, 01:17 PM	#728
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm just excited that the Pirates picked up OOTP2019 legend Seth Beer in the minor league round of the Rule 5. That man was a hall of fame in every career I played in that version. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-07-2023, 02:23 PM	#729
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Javier Saviola of OOTP. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-08-2023, 10:00 AM	#733
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Ohtani is expected to sign today, and it is looking like the Blue Jays. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 12-08-2023 at 10:49 AM.

12-08-2023, 10:49 AM	#735
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Corrected, but like you didn't know who I was talking about. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

12-08-2023, 03:51 PM	#736
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	He is on the plane to Toronto, but still no official confirmation or anything about terms. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 12-08-2023 at 03:52 PM.

12-08-2023, 04:17 PM	#737
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Sounds like there's just a plane flying from Anaheim to Toronto being tracked on Flight Aware and everybody is assuming it's Ohtani.

12-08-2023, 04:32 PM	#738
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Jon Morosi was the one that reported he was on it. Now Bob Nightengale says he wasn't and he still home. Morosi is the guy when it comes to these announcement, and now has egg all over his face. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

12-08-2023, 04:59 PM	#739
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Hilarious. The baseball subreddit is melting down, calling for Jon Morosi to be banned, trying to track other flights, its madness.

12-09-2023, 08:53 AM	#740
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I don’t know how cognizant Ohtani is of the Japanese market, but I doubt he breaks any news while the island is asleep. I think any major announcement would be made between 7-10PM Eastern

12-09-2023, 02:26 PM	#741
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	To the Dodgers. 10 years $700 million __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-09-2023, 02:51 PM	#742
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Thats a lot of money. Glad he goes to a major team because that's a guy baseball fans deserve to see in the playoffs every year. Shame we never got to see this with Trout.

12-09-2023, 02:51 PM	#743
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Sounds like some of the money will be differed, but still that is insane money. More than the GDP of 12 countries. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 12-09-2023 at 02:52 PM.

12-09-2023, 04:18 PM	#744
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Actually the report is most of the money will be differed. He is giving the team flexibility under the luxury tax. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

12-09-2023, 05:29 PM	#745
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	I hate the F'N Dodgers. They have more money than God.

12-09-2023, 07:59 PM	#747
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Over half is deferred. The actual cost in today's estimated dollars on the contract is about $550 mil from what I've read. If he can still pitch after TJ it should be a solid contract.

12-09-2023, 08:42 PM	#748
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	I'd rather spend 300 mil for a pitcher and 200 mil for a batter, personally. Given that he's already 29, and going to miss the next season for his pitching at least. But the Dodgers can afford to lose him because their roster is already packed with superstars. It would be much more devastating for a team like the Jays.

12-11-2023, 05:18 PM	#749
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	$2M/year and then $680M for the 10 years after his contract ends? Interesting. EDIT: I chuckled! The dude is gonna need JG Wentworth https://t.co/bhL2WNnPPr — Eric Wayne (@EricWaynesBrain) December 11, 2023 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 12-11-2023 at 05:25 PM.