NFL 2020 Season Thread - Page 32

Lathum · 02-01-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

So Watson's price tag is 2 1st rounders, 2 2nds rounders and two younger starting defenders:-)

They can ask for anything they want...

Swaggs · 02-01-2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Eh. We put first round picks too high on a pedestal. If you think Stafford gets you over the hump you go get him.

Same thing with Watson. If I am Miami I jump at the chance to trade Tua and a first for him. If I am Jax or the Jets, 2 -3 firsts. No problem!

Agreed on both points. I thought there was some type of contract benefit to first round picks (in teams' favor), with the option year. I'm not sure that is the case anymore after looking through a few links.

I think Watson is a tier up from Stafford. I'd easily give Tua + a 1st or two 1sts for him, unless he doesn't look like he wants to be with my franchise long term.

Atocep · 02-01-2021, 01:41 PM

My opinion is Goff is a terrible qb that played in one of the most quarterback friendly systems in the NFL while Stafford is likely a top 8-10 guy. Despite that, I think this is a sound decision by the Lions. They get 2 years to prepare for another qb while seeing what type of qb Goff can be away from McVay. The Rams are going all in on their current roster while the Lions are accepting a rebuild. This trade helps both teams accomplish their goals.

albionmoonlight · 02-01-2021, 02:13 PM

Rams are also an interesting experiment in value and team building.

They clearly think that the other 31 teams overvalue first round picks.

If they are right about that, then they have found a real inefficiency in the system to exploit. They should remain a playoff team by constantly getting more value from first rounders through trades until the rest of the league catches up to them.

Or, if they are wrong, then the whole thing may crash down in a year or two.

But I can appreciate their actions. Having decided that they found a market inefficiency, they are going to lean into it 100%. There is no need to ever use a first round pick if someone else is going to give you more for it than you think it is worth.

Lathum · 02-01-2021, 02:27 PM

I think the Rams problem will be depth. Their cap is a mess so they can't sign any good backups. If they get a lot of injuries, or injuries to one position group they are in trouble.

BishopMVP · 02-01-2021, 03:08 PM

It doesn't even take a position group. An injury to Donald, Ramsey, or Stafford & they're in a lot of trouble in a very competitive division. Doesn't mean I think it's a terrible trade, but I don't think this is like the NBA where you can go ahead & assume both first will be mid to late 20's - pretty decent chance one will end up in the teens.

thesloppy · 02-01-2021, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Rams are also an interesting experiment in value and team building.

They clearly think that the other 31 teams overvalue first round picks.

If they are right about that, then they have found a real inefficiency in the system to exploit. They should remain a playoff team by constantly getting more value from first rounders through trades until the rest of the league catches up to them.

The interesting catch in there is that the current GM for the Lions was still part of the Rams front office 2-3 weeks ago.

BishopMVP · 02-01-2021, 03:11 PM

I don't think the Rams are nearly as poorly run, but just ask the Texans how quickly things can go to shit even if you have several young elite players... I definitely don't think anyone thought they were trading an eventual #3 overall pick for Laremy Tunsil.

bhlloy · 02-01-2021, 03:16 PM

Yeah, you saw it the last 18 months with the line for the Rams where they just couldn’t afford the backups or to replace guys leaving from attrition or going down with injury... which is what started this whole crazy Goff downswing in the first place.

Stafford should be better suited to a scenario where everything isn’t perfect for him (he’ll he’s been a Lion for how long now?) but still, things have to go significantly right for the Rams to pass up the Packers or Chiefs IMO, so it’s a huge risk for the Rams to take. On the other hand, in for a penny in for a pound, not like the current iteration of the roster had much of a chance to win or a bright future as it stood. Just kicking the can further down the road.

Swaggs · 02-02-2021, 02:48 PM

The Athletic (sub required) had some potential trade offers, with commentary from both franchises' perspectives, for Watson: Deshaun Watson trade: Jets, Dolphins offer Texans best deals – The Athletic

Some of the more interesting ones:

Broncos:

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No. 9 pick in 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick, QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant

Raiders:

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No. 17 pick in 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick and 2023 first-round pick, QB Derek Carr

Bears:

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No. 20 pick in the 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick and 2023 first-round pick, ILB Roquan Smith, QB Nick Foles

Jets:

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No. 2, 23 and No. 91 picks in 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 fourth-round pick

Dolphins:

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No. 3 and 18 picks in the 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 fourth-round pick, QB Tua Tagovailoa

(There were a few more, but don't want to lift too much from it)

They summarized that the Jets and Dolphins seemed like the two best offers and thought the Jets was the best. I'm not so sure about that since they seem like they are more than just a QB away from being competitive.

I think the Raiders' offer looks like the best example of a "who says no?" offer. Watson, with their young core, has to make them at least a couple wins better, I would think. The Texans don't get a top 5 pick (and probably will not), but three #1s and I would imagine that Carr (is an UFA after '22 season) can either be a quality starter for a year to see if he looks good enough to build around for awhile, could probably be flipped for another late 1/early 2 (maybe?), or can be franchised (and signed or flipped).

BYU 14 · 02-02-2021, 02:53 PM

Really not sure why the Phins are ready to pull the plug on Tua so quick, he had normal rookie growing pains, but still has a lot of upside and while Watson gets them closer quicker, I think 2022 was really going to be when they made a run anyway.

albionmoonlight · 02-02-2021, 02:55 PM

There are also some stories coming out of Vegas that the team culture there might be suboptimal.

There's a chance that those 2022 and 2023 picks are higher in the first round than people expect.

And I like Carr.

I think I like that offer and the Dolphins' offer best if I am the Texans.

BYU 14 · 02-02-2021, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

There are also some stories coming out of Vegas that the team culture there might be suboptimal.

There's a chance that those 2022 and 2023 picks are higher in the first round than people expect.

And I like Carr.

I think I like that offer and the Dolphins' offer best if I am the Texans.

I would be all over that Dolphins offer

Kodos · 02-02-2021, 03:51 PM

Yeah, the Dolphins offer looks like the best to me.

I'm not sure why the Raiders aren't content with Carr. Seems like he is good enough with the right team around him.

Atocep · 02-02-2021, 04:20 PM

I told a friend the bears should offer Houston their choice of any 3 players on the roster plus 2 firsts and a 2nd for Watson and see what happens.

BYU 14 · 02-02-2021, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I told a friend the bears should offer Houston their choice of any 3 players on the roster named Trubisky plus 2 firsts and a 2nd for Watson and see what happens.

Is this what you meant?

CrimsonFox · 02-03-2021, 01:58 PM

Mark Walton arrested after violent meltdown over failed Pizza Hut order

Good to see the Bengals are still going to jail over violent abuse.
Consistency....that's what I like...

Ksyrup · 02-03-2021, 02:15 PM

Marty Schottenheimer in hospice.

JPhillips · 02-03-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Mark Walton arrested after violent meltdown over failed Pizza Hut order

Good to see the Bengals are still going to jail over violent abuse.
Consistency....that's what I like...

After spending the entire 2020 NFL season out of football...

albionmoonlight · 02-03-2021, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Marty Schottenheimer in hospice.

Thoughts out to him and his family.

Probably the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era to never win a Super Bowl (now that Reid has won one). I might be missing someone obvious, but he's certainly up there.

albionmoonlight · 02-03-2021, 02:33 PM

dola:

Just looked it up. You can make a good argument for Marty, but there's some other solid names out there--definitely a discussion to be had.

CrimsonFox · 02-03-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

After spending the entire 2020 NFL season out of football...

but ANCHOVIES, man. ANCHOVIES!

cartman · 02-03-2021, 06:54 PM

Kansas City Chiefs' barber tests positive amid haircuts, sources say

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The Chiefs had 20 people, including quarterback Patrick Mahomes, other players and staff members, in line for a haircut Sunday with a barber who tested positive for COVID-19, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

bhlloy · 02-06-2021, 04:15 PM

The Britt Reid story is an ugly, ugly one that it feels is going to get buried to not detract from the glamour of the SB. Just pray those kids both pull through, but man.

Lathum · 02-06-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

The Britt Reid story is an ugly, ugly one that it feels is going to get buried to not detract from the glamour of the SB. Just pray those kids both pull through, but man.

Don't read the twitter comments if you want to have any faith in humanity

Lathum · 02-06-2021, 08:14 PM

Steve Harvey killing it. Really funny. the CeeDee Lamb stuff was great

GrantDawg · 02-06-2021, 08:42 PM

Was there ever a doubt even in his Michigan days that Charles Woodson was going up end up in Canton?

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GrantDawg · 02-06-2021, 08:51 PM

And how was Drew Pearson not already in the HOF?

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Lathum · 02-06-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Was there ever a doubt even in his Michigan days that Charles Woodson was going up end up in Canton?

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Was still great to see them tell him. That shit gets me every time

Honolulu_Blue · 02-07-2021, 09:31 AM

Very happy to see both Charles Woodson and Calvin Johnson make it!

albionmoonlight · 02-07-2021, 04:43 PM

I have this gut feeling that the Bucs are going to pull it out.

The rational part of me says that the 14-2 team with all the best players and the Hall of Fame coach will win by double digits, and none of us should be surprised by it.

But I don't know . . . just got a feeling.

If I were in Vegas, I'd be primed to lose many hundreds of dollars today.

MIJB#19 · 02-07-2021, 06:40 PM

If this is Super Bowl LV, why is the logo made in such a way it looks like it's Super Bowl LIV? Apparently they made this silliness start at LI, which looked like LII, and so on, but this time around it's much sillier.

GrantDawg · 02-07-2021, 06:43 PM

They needed that turnover.

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AlexB · 02-07-2021, 06:43 PM

That’s a BS hold in a superbowl

GrantDawg · 02-07-2021, 06:43 PM

Crap. Nevermind

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AlexB · 02-07-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

If this is Super Bowl LV, why is the logo made in such a way it looks like it's Super Bowl LIV? Apparently they made this silliness start at LI, which looked like LII, and so on, but this time around it's much sillier.

I’m with you. The VLT destroys the numerology in the logo, and has done for four years in a row

GrantDawg · 02-07-2021, 06:48 PM

Super-ref-bowl.

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Ghost Econ · 02-07-2021, 07:01 PM

It looks like KC is giving no fucks about the game today.

Atocep · 02-07-2021, 07:11 PM

That last flag was awful IMO.

ISiddiqui · 02-07-2021, 07:12 PM

How many ridiculous flags are they going to call against KC?

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Atocep · 02-07-2021, 07:14 PM

The last 2 flags were awful IMO.

AlexB · 02-07-2021, 07:14 PM

I don’t think the hold on the INT was a foul, and the PI on Mathieu was complete BS

GrantDawg · 02-07-2021, 07:16 PM

This is just ugly and not fun to watch.

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Kodos · 02-07-2021, 07:19 PM

Sucky first half. Chiefs self-destructing.

Kodos · 02-07-2021, 07:21 PM

If the Chiefs were the Pats, most of these calls would not be made.

tarcone · 02-07-2021, 07:30 PM

I am loving this. I hate the Chiefs. And I work with a lot of cocky Chiefs fans. I hope it stays this way. Tomorrow will be much more enjoyable at work.

Galaril · 02-07-2021, 07:38 PM

Who the hell is this guy as the halftime show? Guess I am old. My teenager daughters tell me he is huge.

AlexB · 02-07-2021, 07:38 PM

Musically... meh. But visually, this is the best halftime show I can remember. Awesome!

ISiddiqui · 02-07-2021, 07:45 PM

Wait have some of y'all seriously not heard of The Weeknd?

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Kodos · 02-07-2021, 07:46 PM

No idea who he is. Music seemed fine.

02-02-2021, 02:55 PM	#1562
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	There are also some stories coming out of Vegas that the team culture there might be suboptimal. There's a chance that those 2022 and 2023 picks are higher in the first round than people expect. And I like Carr. I think I like that offer and the Dolphins' offer best if I am the Texans. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 02-02-2021 at 02:55 PM.

02-02-2021, 03:51 PM	#1564
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Yeah, the Dolphins offer looks like the best to me. I'm not sure why the Raiders aren't content with Carr. Seems like he is good enough with the right team around him. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-03-2021, 02:15 PM	#1568
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Marty Schottenheimer in hospice. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-07-2021, 09:31 AM	#1580
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Very happy to see both Charles Woodson and Calvin Johnson make it! __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

02-07-2021, 04:43 PM	#1581
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I have this gut feeling that the Bucs are going to pull it out. The rational part of me says that the 14-2 team with all the best players and the Hall of Fame coach will win by double digits, and none of us should be surprised by it. But I don't know . . . just got a feeling. If I were in Vegas, I'd be primed to lose many hundreds of dollars today. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 02-07-2021 at 04:45 PM.

02-01-2021, 01:41 PM	#1553
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	My opinion is Goff is a terrible qb that played in one of the most quarterback friendly systems in the NFL while Stafford is likely a top 8-10 guy. Despite that, I think this is a sound decision by the Lions. They get 2 years to prepare for another qb while seeing what type of qb Goff can be away from McVay. The Rams are going all in on their current roster while the Lions are accepting a rebuild. This trade helps both teams accomplish their goals.

02-01-2021, 02:13 PM	#1554
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Rams are also an interesting experiment in value and team building. They clearly think that the other 31 teams overvalue first round picks. If they are right about that, then they have found a real inefficiency in the system to exploit. They should remain a playoff team by constantly getting more value from first rounders through trades until the rest of the league catches up to them. Or, if they are wrong, then the whole thing may crash down in a year or two. But I can appreciate their actions. Having decided that they found a market inefficiency, they are going to lean into it 100%. There is no need to ever use a first round pick if someone else is going to give you more for it than you think it is worth.

02-01-2021, 02:27 PM	#1555
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think the Rams problem will be depth. Their cap is a mess so they can't sign any good backups. If they get a lot of injuries, or injuries to one position group they are in trouble.

02-01-2021, 03:08 PM	#1556
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	It doesn't even take a position group. An injury to Donald, Ramsey, or Stafford & they're in a lot of trouble in a very competitive division. Doesn't mean I think it's a terrible trade, but I don't think this is like the NBA where you can go ahead & assume both first will be mid to late 20's - pretty decent chance one will end up in the teens.

02-01-2021, 03:11 PM	#1558
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	I don't think the Rams are nearly as poorly run, but just ask the Texans how quickly things can go to shit even if you have several young elite players... I definitely don't think anyone thought they were trading an eventual #3 overall pick for Laremy Tunsil.

02-01-2021, 03:16 PM	#1559
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Yeah, you saw it the last 18 months with the line for the Rams where they just couldn’t afford the backups or to replace guys leaving from attrition or going down with injury... which is what started this whole crazy Goff downswing in the first place. Stafford should be better suited to a scenario where everything isn’t perfect for him (he’ll he’s been a Lion for how long now?) but still, things have to go significantly right for the Rams to pass up the Packers or Chiefs IMO, so it’s a huge risk for the Rams to take. On the other hand, in for a penny in for a pound, not like the current iteration of the roster had much of a chance to win or a bright future as it stood. Just kicking the can further down the road.

02-02-2021, 02:53 PM	#1561
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Really not sure why the Phins are ready to pull the plug on Tua so quick, he had normal rookie growing pains, but still has a lot of upside and while Watson gets them closer quicker, I think 2022 was really going to be when they made a run anyway.

02-02-2021, 04:20 PM	#1565
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I told a friend the bears should offer Houston their choice of any 3 players on the roster plus 2 firsts and a 2nd for Watson and see what happens.

02-03-2021, 01:58 PM	#1567
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Mark Walton arrested after violent meltdown over failed Pizza Hut order Good to see the Bengals are still going to jail over violent abuse. Consistency....that's what I like...

02-03-2021, 02:33 PM	#1571
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola: Just looked it up. You can make a good argument for Marty, but there's some other solid names out there--definitely a discussion to be had.

02-06-2021, 04:15 PM	#1574
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	The Britt Reid story is an ugly, ugly one that it feels is going to get buried to not detract from the glamour of the SB. Just pray those kids both pull through, but man.

02-06-2021, 08:14 PM	#1576
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Steve Harvey killing it. Really funny. the CeeDee Lamb stuff was great

02-06-2021, 08:42 PM	#1577
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Was there ever a doubt even in his Michigan days that Charles Woodson was going up end up in Canton? Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-06-2021, 08:51 PM	#1578
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	And how was Drew Pearson not already in the HOF? Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-07-2021, 06:40 PM	#1582
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	If this is Super Bowl LV, why is the logo made in such a way it looks like it's Super Bowl LIV? Apparently they made this silliness start at LI, which looked like LII, and so on, but this time around it's much sillier. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail Last edited by MIJB#19 : 02-07-2021 at 06:41 PM.

02-07-2021, 06:43 PM	#1583
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	They needed that turnover. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-07-2021, 06:43 PM	#1584
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	That’s a BS hold in a superbowl __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

02-07-2021, 06:43 PM	#1585
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Crap. Nevermind Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-07-2021, 06:48 PM	#1587
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Super-ref-bowl. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-07-2021, 07:01 PM	#1588
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	It looks like KC is giving no fucks about the game today.

02-07-2021, 07:11 PM	#1589
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	That last flag was awful IMO.

02-07-2021, 07:12 PM	#1590
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	How many ridiculous flags are they going to call against KC? Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-07-2021, 07:14 PM	#1591
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	The last 2 flags were awful IMO.

02-07-2021, 07:14 PM	#1592
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	I don’t think the hold on the INT was a foul, and the PI on Mathieu was complete BS __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

02-07-2021, 07:16 PM	#1593
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	This is just ugly and not fun to watch. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-07-2021, 07:19 PM	#1594
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Sucky first half. Chiefs self-destructing. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-07-2021, 07:21 PM	#1595
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	If the Chiefs were the Pats, most of these calls would not be made. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-07-2021, 07:30 PM	#1596
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I am loving this. I hate the Chiefs. And I work with a lot of cocky Chiefs fans. I hope it stays this way. Tomorrow will be much more enjoyable at work. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

02-07-2021, 07:38 PM	#1597
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Who the hell is this guy as the halftime show? Guess I am old. My teenager daughters tell me he is huge.

02-07-2021, 07:38 PM	#1598
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Musically... meh. But visually, this is the best halftime show I can remember. Awesome! __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!