NFL 2016 Head Coaching and Offseason Stuff

[Abe Sargent]

The jobs are a -opening!

[Zinto]

Hopefully the Lions move on from Caldwell. Unfortunately, they will probably promote a GM from within and keep him around in typical Lions fashion.

[BillJasper]

Browns starting over again. Fire both Farmer (GM) and Pettine (NC).

[stevew]

Somehow Jeff Fisher will get yet another chance with the Rams.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by stevew

Somehow Jeff Fisher will get yet another chance with the Rams.

He'll get that elusive 7th winning season eventually.

[Abe Sargent]

I'd cut bait on Fisher too.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by stevew

Somehow Jeff Fisher will get yet another chance with the Rams.

Most overrated coach in the game.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Most overrated coach in the game.

Kind of a meangingless statement without any qualifiers. Coaching right now? Most overrated to make it to the Super Bowl? Ever?

[Jon]

Jim Tomsula "relieved of duties" by the 49ers.

They should be cleaning house, but probably won't since Jed and Baalke are BFFs.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Jon

Jim Tomsula "relieved of duties" by the 49ers.

They should be cleaning house, but probably won't since Jed and Baalke are BFFs.

That's a shitty thing to do. Tomsula stepped up when the 48ers fucked up.

[corbes]

A common thread in the Eagles' reported interests (Staley, Pederson, Payton, Harbaugh) seems to be a prior involvement with the team during Lurie's tenure as owner.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by corbes

A common thread in the Eagles' reported interests (Staley, Pederson, Payton, Harbaugh) seems to be a prior involvement with the team during Lurie's tenure as owner.

Maybe he can bring back Rich Kotite.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Maybe he can bring back Rich Kotite.

But he was before lurie.

[MrBug708]

The last UCLA HC wasnt so bad for the Eagles

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by corbes

A common thread in the Eagles' reported interests (Staley, Pederson, Payton, Harbaugh) seems to be a prior involvement with the team during Lurie's tenure as owner.

Which kind of makes sense in terms of wanting some franchise stability. Know what you're getting after all.

Unlike Chip Kelly reaching out to the 49'ers and the 49'ers considering him. They should have never run Harbaugh out but how could they possibly think things would end better with Kelly? Sean Payton, now there's a good option for them. He's proven that he can work with a GM.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

But he was before lurie.

Lurie bought the team during Kotite's last year. At least that's what it said on wikipedia.

[albionmoonlight]

Payton meeting with Saints brass today to discuss his future. If he wants to stay, I think that the Saints have the sense to say a prayer of thanks and keep him.

If he wants to leave, then there really isn't much the team can do about it. I don't see keeping him in his contract out of spite while he waits it out.

I don't know if the story has made the national media, but Tom Benson put the Saints into a trust for his granddaughter, Rita. Rita apparently is a spoiled rich brat (go figure) who can't work with anyone and who hates Payton and who Payton hates.

Benson has subsequently decided to take the team out of the trust and leave it to his new wife when he passes. She seems cool, but there's also allegations that she is isolating him and manipulating him and that she's forced him to give her the team. Mo' money, mo' problems, I guess.

Rita and her folks are arguing that Benson cannot take the team out of the trust because he set it up as an irrevocable trust for tax reasons.

The upshot is that there is now an unsettled post-Benson ownership situation that is playing out in Louisiana and Texas probate courts. Which means that, in addition to being a small market with no real history of winning, an aging QB, and cap troubles, the Saints's job (if it comes open) also comes with unsettled ownership.

If the Saints lose Payton, they are not going to be the top destination for any of the hot coaches on the market. I really hope that they do not lose Payton.

[Kodos]

Interesting stuff. From what you've said, I would imagine Payton will be heading for greener pastures.

[Thomkal]

Mike McCoy keeps his job somehow in San Diego.

[PackerFanatic]

Tom Coughlin out in NY. Being deemed a resignation.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Tom Coughlin out in NY. Being deemed a resignation.

(Sorry Lathum)

[Logan]

I have no idea why they would keep Reese as GM.

[Marmel]

Thanks for the 2 SBs Coach! A Syracuse alumni goes on to coach my favorite NFL team to 2 Bowls? Can't ask for a better story.

[BillJasper]

Miami is hot out of the gate with their eyes on some super candidates!

Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia land on Dolphins coaching candidate list | ProFootballTalk

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Logan

I have no idea why they would keep Reese as GM.

Me either....he should be out before Coughlin.

[Butter]

One San Diego station reporting that the Chargers have already filed for relocation to LA. Reports saying that all 3 of the Rams, Raiders, and Chargers are going to file. Surely, they aren't going to let all 3 of them move to LA? How will they determine who gets to move? I guess whatever makes them the most money.

[stevew]

The Browns have hired the last 5 head coaches in the AFC North.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by stevew

The Browns have hired the last 5 head coaches in the AFC North.

They're consistent!

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

One San Diego station reporting that the Chargers have already filed for relocation to LA. Reports saying that all 3 of the Rams, Raiders, and Chargers are going to file. Surely, they aren't going to let all 3 of them move to LA? How will they determine who gets to move? I guess whatever makes them the most money.

Clayton was speaking about this on the radio last week. He said it the Rams are probably out even though they have the best plot and stadium plan for LA. St. Louis stepped up with a solid stadium proposal so the NFL is expected to pressure the Rams into giving up their plot in exchange for some other kickback and they'll remain in St. Louis.

He said the Chargers and Raiders both received fairly weak stadium proposals from their cities so both moving there is a possibility.

In short, its going to come down to whichever city/cities don't give into the NFL's demands for public money to back a new stadium.

[Brian Swartz]

You really have to hand it to the Lions. Aside from the miserable Millen years, it doesn't matter whether they start great or badly, they almost always find a way to be mediocre. Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft position.

Maybe bring back Wayne 'We're the best darn 0-4 team in the NFL' Fontes?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Atocep

He said the Chargers and Raiders both received fairly weak stadium proposals from their cities so both moving there is a possibility.

In short, its going to come down to whichever city/cities don't give into the NFL's demands for public money to back a new stadium.

The NFL and the players and private investment should be paying for new stadiums, not "the public".

[Kodos]

Agreed.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Logan

I have no idea why they would keep Reese as GM.

Too loyal sometimes. I get it though, Giants are classy. But still.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Thanks for the 2 SBs Coach! A Syracuse alumni goes on to coach my favorite NFL team to 2 Bowls? Can't ask for a better story.

He got my favorite team off the mark, 2 AFC Championships, and had real amazing players in his 9 years of play - Boselli at the head of them. Can't ask for too much more.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The NFL and the players and private investment should be paying for new stadiums, not "the public".

Its not uncommon for cities to levy and ehlp out with tax breaks, discounts, infrastructure, and more to entice major corporations to their city. Why would the NFL be different?


EDIT - Example from my home state. One of the best economic things to happen in my recent memory is Toyota opening up a plant to make parts for their vees in WV. We out incentivized other places and they choose us. After doing so, they have expanded the factory twice, we have thousands now employed, we have lots of other places opening in that area of Putnam county including stores, markets, restaurants, and more, and we have a flights now that are quick two hoppers to Tokyo and more. This is very common stuff.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The NFL and the players and private investment should be paying for new stadiums, not "the public".

The operative word being "should". The folks in San Diego and Oakland seem to agree with you.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

The last UCLA HC wasnt so bad for the Eagles

Philly has no interest in him. Philly is looking at a lot of former Eagles' guys and rising assistants. I doubt any NFL team does. He hasn't won big in college.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Its not uncommon for cities to levy and ehlp out with tax breaks, discounts, infrastructure, and more to entice major corporations to their city. Why would the NFL be different?

Are pro sports teams economic winners for cities? | Marketplace.org

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Philly has no interest in him. Philly is looking at a lot of former Eagles' guys and rising assistants. I doubt any NFL team does. He hasn't won big in college.

He's not a college guy though. Nfl loves NFL guys. But that bowl loss probably cost him a job this year

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The NFL and the players and private investment should be paying for new stadiums, not "the public".

+1

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The NFL and the players and private investment should be paying for new stadiums, not "the public".

I would say 1 in 4 at best (and maybe even less) supports this stadium plan here in St. Louis and that is just a quarter sized chunk of the states population. My guess is nobody in Kansas City or Columbia or Cape Girardiou or Branson supports it at all. It's insane and a colossal waste of taxpayer money.

[Zinto]

Coach Pagano has agreed to an extension. Tune in live to watch the press conference at 10:30PM tonight

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts) January 5, 2016

Huh?

[Abe Sargent]

Whoa?

[Abe Sargent]

Im glad though

[NobodyHere]

Pagano must have convinced Irsay to have Grigson back off or something.

[Thomkal]

wow I don't think any "expert" saw that coming, they've been saying he's gone since Week 1.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Its not uncommon for cities to levy and ehlp out with tax breaks, discounts, infrastructure, and more to entice major corporations to their city. Why would the NFL be different?


EDIT - Example from my home state. One of the best economic things to happen in my recent memory is Toyota opening up a plant to make parts for their vees in WV. We out incentivized other places and they choose us. After doing so, they have expanded the factory twice, we have thousands now employed, we have lots of other places opening in that area of Putnam county including stores, markets, restaurants, and more, and we have a flights now that are quick two hoppers to Tokyo and more. This is very common stuff.

I studied this extensively when Paul Allen was using his ownership of the Seahawks (but not his $50 billion personal fortune) to try and get Washington residents to buy him a fancy new stadium.

It turns out, according to experts, that a new stadium has about the same economic impact as a small strip mall. Too many temporary jobs.

If you want a stadium, you want it because you like thinking of your city as "major league." Surely that has some value. But the employment impact is far, far less than what these franchises would have you believe and the multipliers they use in their claims that game days are worth a lot to a community are often far greater than realistic.

[Dutch]

At Raymond James Stadium, a large portion of the stadium vendors and staff are volunteers, not paid employees. It's in a fairly low-income part of the city (as is Tropicana Field in St. Pete for the Rays) and I don't see any economic prosperity taking place. The Lightning play in trendy Channel-side but that seems to be a coincidence rather than "the Lightning made this part of town great".

[JPhillips]

From MMQB:

Fun facts about Jimmy Haslam’s 39-month tenure as owner of the Cleveland Browns:

• The Browns have employed 61 coaches in those three-plus seasons.

• Haslam has fired two presidents/CEOs (Mike Holmgren, Joe Banner), and, by Monday noon, three general managers (Tom Heckert, Mike Lombardi, Ray Farmer) and three coaches (Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine).

• Record since league approved Haslam as owner: 18-40.

• There have been four offensive coordinators on Haslam’s watch: Brad Childress, Norv Turner, Kyle Shanahan, John DeFilippo.

• The five first-round picks since Haslam bought the team: Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving.

Good luck next Cleveland coach!

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I studied this extensively when Paul Allen was using his ownership of the Seahawks (but not his $50 billion personal fortune) to try and get Washington residents to buy him a fancy new stadium.

It turns out, according to experts, that a new stadium has about the same economic impact as a small strip mall. Too many temporary jobs.

If you want a stadium, you want it because you like thinking of your city as "major league." Surely that has some value. But the employment impact is far, far less than what these franchises would have you believe and the multipliers they use in their claims that game days are worth a lot to a community are often far greater than realistic.

Let me give you an example iof my own history,


As a gift, a friend of mine bought two tickets to see a Browns game at Cleveland, when they hosted my Jags. So we drove to Cleveland and arrived a bit before the game started. We paid for parking, and walked to the game. Then we showed the tickets and purchased a program, and two of those hot things to keep your hands warm cause it was colder than we expected. After the game we walked around Cleveland and explored, walked a few blocks, ate at a sit down restraint, and shopped in three stores, buying things in two of them.

These financial exchanges happened:

1). Two Browns tickets purchased
2). Parking paid for off site
3). 1 Program and 2 warmers purchased at Browns Stadium
4). 2 meals at a sit down restaurant
5). Purchases at two local stores


I don;t know how much Cleveland gets in taxes, revenue, and such. But certainly, you can say that we contributed $$ to the city of Cleveland. I doubt that experience was atypical. There were other people in the restaurant who had been at the game as well.