The Ladder 2014 - New Layout for The Ladder?

Kodos · 11-28-2012, 10:50 PM

After setting up everything, it's telling me the online servers are not available right now. Unbelievable.

Kodos · 11-28-2012, 11:00 PM

FUCK EA

Kodos · 11-28-2012, 11:04 PM

Everything is lost. I will have to retry some other night. Unfucking believable. I HATE EA.

Kodos · 11-28-2012, 11:06 PM

At least we now have time to discuss how we want to handle BCS bowl affiliations. Thoughts?

Eaglesfan27 · 11-28-2012, 11:29 PM

Ouch! That sucks!

gstelmack · 11-29-2012, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

At least we now have time to discuss how we want to handle BCS bowl affiliations. Thoughts?

I see two choices:

- Just jump straight in to a 4 or 8 team playoff to match what's coming.
- Do the intermediate method of aligning conference champs with BCS bowls. Can we do the +1 if we do this?

Eaglesfan27 · 11-29-2012, 08:03 AM

I'm good with either of those choices.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 12:23 PM

I don't think we can do the playoff option in the game. All we have is bowls.

My plan was to have Big 10 vs. Sec in a bowl (Fiesta), and then assign the other bowls based on tiers (Big East vs. Big 12, PAC 12 vs. ACC, MWC vs C-USA). Does that sound decent? How many Bowls should I leave at large?

The Ladder planning thread - Front Office Football Central
You can see our basic league tier setup in post 14 of this thread.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 12:24 PM

Honestly, a lot of the league setup was engineered around the fact that NCAA 2012 didn't have dynamic conferences. If I was starting from scratch in NCAA 2013, I would probably do a bit of a different league setup.

gstelmack · 11-29-2012, 02:17 PM

I think tiers assigned to bowls are a great option, but how would you do the league setup differently now with 2013?

chesapeake · 11-29-2012, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

My plan was to have Big 10 vs. Sec in a bowl (Fiesta), and then assign the other bowls based on tiers (Big East vs. Big 12, PAC 12 vs. ACC, MWC vs C-USA). Does that sound decent?

This sounds pretty good to me. I just wish that the winner of the B1G/SEC matchup was the national champ, too. It would provide the necessary incentive to get to the top conferences.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I think tiers assigned to bowls are a great option, but how would you do the league setup differently now with 2013?

I would divide into two towers with the Big Ten and Sec on top. Northern schools in Big Ten tower, southern in Sec. The way we have promotion / relegation set up now is convoluted because of static conference prestige. I think I have it fleshed out in a spreadsheet somewhere.

gstelmack · 11-29-2012, 06:14 PM

Is that possible to set up now, or too late? I don't mind switching around affiliations if it makes things cooler / easier going forward.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 06:17 PM

I'm not sure if it is doable without reshuffling things. I could give it a crack while maintaining all human teams advancement levels.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 06:48 PM

By the way, I won't change the setup unless everyone is on board with it.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 07:02 PM

This is the one that I liked the best. It divided teams up into four regions, with three levels in each group. It could be adjusted to reflect our current spots on the ladders. Kinda... I would even out the numbers by replacing one of the SEC teams with a teambuildered team to go in the PAC grouping (San Luis Obispo Burn replaces UAB).

As an example, the top 12 in the Big Ten pod would be in the Big Ten, next twelve in Big East, bottom 7 in MAC. Similar pattern for other 3 pods (SEC, Big 12, Pac 12).

Code:

Rank	Team	Group	DivRnk
7	Michigan	B10	1
12	Michigan State	B10	2
14	Ohio State	B10	3
17	Wisconsin	B10	4
27	Penn State	B10	5
33	Notre Dame	B10	6
36	Rutgers		B10	7
41	Iowa		B10	8
42	Purdue		B10	9
44	Pittsburgh	B10	10
47	Cincinnati	B10	11
55	Northwestern	B10	12
56	Connecticut	B10	13
62	Illinois	B10	14
68	Ohio		B10	15
71	Boston College	B10	16
74	Minnesota	B10	17
75	Syracuse	B10	18
84	Kent State	B10	19
85	West Michigan	B10	20
87	Indiana		B10	21
91	Northern Ill	B10	22
95	Toledo		B10	23
100	Ball State	B10	24
104	Miami (OH)	B10	25
105	Army		B10	26
106	Temple		B10	27
109	Bowling Green	B10	28
112	Buffalo		B10	29
117	Central Mich	B10	30
122	UMass		B10	31

Code:

Rank	Team		Group	DivRnk
1	LSU		B12	1
4	Oklahoma	B12	2
9	Arkansas	B12	3
15	TCU		B12	4
16	Oklahoma State	B12	5
19	Texas		B12	6
22	Kansas State	B12	7
25	Nebraska	B12	8
29	Texas A&M	B12	9
30	Missouri	B12	10
40	Texas Tech	B12	11
43	Baylor		B12	12
46	Mississippi St	B12	13
53	SMU		B12	14
58	Iowa State	B12	15
60	Ole Miss	B12	16
66	Tulsa		B12	17
67	Houston		B12	18
70	Southern Miss	B12	19
72	Louisiana Tech	B12	20
89	Kansas		B12	21
90	Arkansas State	B12	22
94	Louisiana-Mon   B12	23
96	Louisiana	B12	24
101	North Texas	B12	25
107	Tulane		B12	26
110	Rice		B12	27
111	UTEP		B12	28
119	Memphis		B12	29
121	Texas State	B12	30
123	UT-San Antonio	B12	31

Code:

Rank	Team		Group	DivRnk
2	USC		PAC	1
5	Oregon		PAC	2
21	Stanford	PAC	3
24	Boise State	PAC	4
26	Utah		PAC	5
32	Washington	PAC	6
39	BYU		PAC	7
48	UCLA		PAC	8
50	Cal		PAC	9
51	Washington St	PAC	10
59	Arizona		PAC	11
63	Arizona State	PAC	12
65	Oregon State	PAC	13
77	Colorado	PAC	14
78	Fresno State	PAC	15
79	Wyoming		PAC	16
81	San Diego State	PAC	17
82	Utah State	PAC	18
83	Nevada		PAC	19
86	Air Force	PAC	20
88	Hawaii		PAC	21
92	San Jose State	PAC	22
93	Colorado State	PAC	23
97	New Mexico St	PAC	24
102	Idaho		PAC	25
115	Akron		PAC	26
116	Eastern Mich	PAC	27
118	UNLV		PAC	28
120	New Mexico	PAC	29

Code:

Rank	Team		Group	DivRnk
3	Alabama		SEC	1
6	Georgia		SEC	2
8	Florida State	SEC	3
10	West Virginia	SEC	4
11	South Carolina	SEC	5
13	Clemson		SEC	6
18	Virginia Tech	SEC	7
20	Florida		SEC	8
23	Louisville	SEC	9
28	NC State	SEC	10
31	Auburn		SEC	11
34	Virginia	SEC	12
35	Georgia Tech	SEC	13
37	Tennessee	SEC	14
38	UCF		SEC	15
45	North Carolina	SEC	16
49	Miami (FL)	SEC	17
52	Vanderbilt	SEC	18
54	Wake Forest	SEC	19
57	South Florida	SEC	20
61	Kentucky	SEC	21
64	Marshall	SEC	22
69	Duke		SEC	23
73	FIU		SEC	24
76	Maryland	SEC	25
80	Navy		SEC	26
98	Troy		SEC	27
99	Western Kent	SEC	28
103	Middle Tenn	SEC	29
108	East Carolina	SEC	30
113	Florida Atl	SEC	31
114	UAB		SEC	32

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 08:51 PM

I have an idea that combines the concept above within the Ladder structure. Will put it together in a spreadsheet, and see what people think of it.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 09:51 PM

Alright. Here is how I would revise the structure for the Ladder. Each color corresponds to one of the four pods in the post below.

Blue = Western pod
Light Yellow = Northeastern pod
Red = Southwest pod
Bright Yellow = Southeast pod

I will do a detailed layout showing where human teams would land in the new setup.

Kodos · 11-29-2012, 10:13 PM

Here is who would be in each regional "pod". I will adjust human teams to account for our results in the Ladder. This is just to show who is in what pod. CPU teams would go in according to preseason rankings, since CPU teams won't reflect roster improvements their counterparts made in NCAA 2012. This will assure that tougher CPU teams will be found at the top of the Ladder.

NORTHEAST POD

= Light Yellow

WESTERN POD

= Blue

SOUTHWEST POD

= Red

SOUTHEAST POD

= Bright Yellow

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 06:54 AM

Okay, I 've edited the last two posts after some more things occurred to me overnight. I have some more ideas that I will post later.

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 07:36 AM

I like that this creates conferences with more natural rivalries built in.

cartman · 11-30-2012, 08:31 AM

I like it. But from the looks of it, are we starting over with the promotion/relegation levels? Rice is at #110, but we finished last season in the Top 25.

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 09:00 AM

Nope, all human teams will go to the same division that they had climbed to. Only CPU teams will be slotted by the rankings above. The lists I showed just don't have that factored in yet.

For human teams, this is where they will be:

Rice moves up from MWC to Big 12
Indiana moves up from MAC to MWC
Duke moves up from C-USA to ACC
USC moves from Big 12 over to PAC (due to their Western pod)
Buffalo stays in MAC
South Florida stays on same tier, but now is in ACC (due to their Southeast pod)

chesapeake · 11-30-2012, 09:41 AM

Duke promoted to the 2nd tier after last season. C-USA would be a demotion. And everyone knows Duke belongs in the ACC.

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Duke promoted to the 2nd tier after last season. C-USA would be a demotion. And everyone knows Duke belongs in the ACC.

Oops. Sorry, was rushing. Duke moves up, but not to CUSA. Will fix list at lunch.

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 11:50 AM

Movement post has been corrected.

MacroGuru · 11-30-2012, 12:39 PM

Looks good...I am ready to get going and hopefully win the conference in Buffalo!

gstelmack · 11-30-2012, 02:23 PM

The trick this season for me will be to avoid relegation to CUSA.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-30-2012, 02:42 PM

Looks good to me.

Kodos · 11-30-2012, 04:03 PM

Still tweaking, but here is a general picture of where it's at right now.

gstelmack · 11-30-2012, 06:36 PM

Looks pretty interesting.

11-28-2012, 11:00 PM	#2
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11-28-2012, 11:04 PM	#3
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Everything is lost. I will have to retry some other night. Unfucking believable. I HATE EA. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-28-2012, 11:06 PM	#4
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	At least we now have time to discuss how we want to handle BCS bowl affiliations. Thoughts? __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 11-29-2012 at 06:37 AM.

11-28-2012, 11:29 PM	#5
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11-29-2012, 08:03 AM	#7
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11-29-2012, 12:23 PM	#8
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I don't think we can do the playoff option in the game. All we have is bowls. My plan was to have Big 10 vs. Sec in a bowl (Fiesta), and then assign the other bowls based on tiers (Big East vs. Big 12, PAC 12 vs. ACC, MWC vs C-USA). Does that sound decent? How many Bowls should I leave at large? The Ladder planning thread - Front Office Football Central You can see our basic league tier setup in post 14 of this thread.

11-29-2012, 12:24 PM	#9
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Honestly, a lot of the league setup was engineered around the fact that NCAA 2012 didn't have dynamic conferences. If I was starting from scratch in NCAA 2013, I would probably do a bit of a different league setup.

11-29-2012, 02:17 PM	#10
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	I think tiers assigned to bowls are a great option, but how would you do the league setup differently now with 2013? __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-29-2012, 06:14 PM	#13
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Is that possible to set up now, or too late? I don't mind switching around affiliations if it makes things cooler / easier going forward. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-29-2012, 06:17 PM	#14
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I'm not sure if it is doable without reshuffling things. I could give it a crack while maintaining all human teams advancement levels. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-29-2012, 06:48 PM	#15
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	By the way, I won't change the setup unless everyone is on board with it. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-29-2012, 08:51 PM	#17
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I have an idea that combines the concept above within the Ladder structure. Will put it together in a spreadsheet, and see what people think of it. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-29-2012, 09:51 PM	#18
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Alright. Here is how I would revise the structure for the Ladder. Each color corresponds to one of the four pods in the post below. Blue = Western pod Light Yellow = Northeastern pod Red = Southwest pod Bright Yellow = Southeast pod I will do a detailed layout showing where human teams would land in the new setup. Last edited by Kodos : 11-30-2012 at 06:51 AM.

11-29-2012, 10:13 PM	#19
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Here is who would be in each regional "pod". I will adjust human teams to account for our results in the Ladder. This is just to show who is in what pod. CPU teams would go in according to preseason rankings, since CPU teams won't reflect roster improvements their counterparts made in NCAA 2012. This will assure that tougher CPU teams will be found at the top of the Ladder. NORTHEAST POD = Light Yellow WESTERN POD = Blue SOUTHWEST POD = Red SOUTHEAST POD = Bright Yellow Last edited by Kodos : 11-30-2012 at 06:46 AM.

11-30-2012, 06:54 AM	#20
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Okay, I 've edited the last two posts after some more things occurred to me overnight. I have some more ideas that I will post later. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-30-2012, 07:36 AM	#21
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I like that this creates conferences with more natural rivalries built in.

11-30-2012, 08:31 AM	#22
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I like it. But from the looks of it, are we starting over with the promotion/relegation levels? Rice is at #110, but we finished last season in the Top 25. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-30-2012, 09:00 AM	#23
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Nope, all human teams will go to the same division that they had climbed to. Only CPU teams will be slotted by the rankings above. The lists I showed just don't have that factored in yet. For human teams, this is where they will be: Rice moves up from MWC to Big 12 Indiana moves up from MAC to MWC Duke moves up from C-USA to ACC USC moves from Big 12 over to PAC (due to their Western pod) Buffalo stays in MAC South Florida stays on same tier, but now is in ACC (due to their Southeast pod) __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 11-30-2012 at 03:44 PM.

11-30-2012, 09:41 AM	#24
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Duke promoted to the 2nd tier after last season. C-USA would be a demotion. And everyone knows Duke belongs in the ACC.

11-30-2012, 11:50 AM	#26
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Movement post has been corrected. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-30-2012, 12:39 PM	#27
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	Looks good...I am ready to get going and hopefully win the conference in Buffalo! __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

11-30-2012, 02:23 PM	#28
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	The trick this season for me will be to avoid relegation to CUSA. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-30-2012, 02:42 PM	#29
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Looks good to me. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

11-30-2012, 04:03 PM	#30
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Still tweaking, but here is a general picture of where it's at right now. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-30-2012, 06:36 PM	#31
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Looks pretty interesting. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

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