06-23-2015, 05:25 AM | #351 | |
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06-23-2015, 08:22 AM | #352 |
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Just in case folks forget what the civil war and the confederacy was all about:
The Confederate Cause in the Words of Its Leaders - The Atlantic
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06-23-2015, 08:53 AM | #353 | |
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Live: We're asking every member of the SC legislature about the confederate flag - The Post and Courier Most interesting is that 13 of the 21 Republicans who have given a yes/no response in the House have said "yes."
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06-23-2015, 09:45 AM | #354 |
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guy 1: racism sucks
guy 2: agreed - a cancer on our society guy 1: we should do...something guy 2: we could all try to look inside and change our hearts: try to work on improving our empathy, understanding, and love for one another guy 1: *stifled laughter* meh - too hard. *looks around* how about we change that flag instead? guy 2: but by changing our hearts, the flag will lose its negative connotations guy 1: nah let's just go with the flag thing guy 2: but if we don't change our hearts, another thing will inevitably replace the flag guy 1: yeah but flag guy 2: good point. flag it is
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06-23-2015, 09:51 AM | #355 | |
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Thing is, it has been 150 years since the Civil War ended. What exactly can be done to change the hearts of those who won't let go? Sometimes, you have to call the bullshit for what it is and move on from it. The Confederate flag has no business being flown on government property. They lost, it's time they got over it.
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06-23-2015, 09:52 AM | #356 |
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Obviously these polls are probably self-selected, but the current results of "should the flag be removed" from various TV stations in the state
WHNS (fox greenville) 31% yes 68% NO 2% unsure WYFF (nbc greenville) 50% YES 50% NO WSPA (cbs greenville) 30% yes 70% NO WCSC (cbs charleston) 57% YES 43% no WIS (nbc columbia) 57% YES 43% no The State (paper columbia) 17% yes 82% NO 1% other Post & Courier (paper charleston) 75% YES 21% no 4% no opinion Greenville News (paper) 33% yes 67% NO Also, the FOX stations in the state have by far the worse websites of any of the 4 major channels. |
06-23-2015, 09:52 AM | #357 | |
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good point. flag it is
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06-23-2015, 09:53 AM | #358 |
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You didn't actually answer the question.
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06-23-2015, 09:54 AM | #359 | |
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*stifled laughter* meh - too hard.
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Then we'll deal with it as it comes. Though no one here has said the Confederate flag should be banned, only that it shouldn't be flown on government property. But that little point keeps getting overlooked. And you still didn't answer the question... Quote:
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06-23-2015, 09:59 AM | #361 |
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06-23-2015, 10:22 AM | #362 | |
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I think that is largely what's going on. Up until now I think a lot of folks weren't pro-flag but weren't really invested in it as its proponents were, so they just went along with it. It's like dealing with your racist uncle who you see once a year - you grin and nod through his jokes just to get through them, but don't call him out on it. Maybe this time there is enough support for people - and politicians who may have felt this way but decided to ignore the issue - to say "look, it's time for this nonsense to finally be addressed."
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06-23-2015, 10:24 AM | #363 |
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Dola - it's not about changing hearts, it's about calling people on their bullshit. (Which yes, some have been doing all along.)
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06-23-2015, 10:33 AM | #364 | |
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06-23-2015, 10:52 AM | #365 |
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Have you ever tried to call someone with deep-rooted beliefs and values "on their bullshit"? I think it happens all the time on FOF and elsewhere on the internet. It has never caused anyone to change their views. And that's when dealing with non-violent killers (as far as we know).
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06-23-2015, 10:54 AM | #366 |
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Its like the New Yorker that moves to Tampa. Root for the Rays...you lost your city...embrace this one.
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You may not be able to change a bully, but that doesn't mean you don't stand up to him to let him know he's no longer calling the shots. Also, you might not influence those who ae the most deeply set in their beliefs, but you might sway those who aren't. How are those numbers on same-sex marriage looking?
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06-23-2015, 11:16 AM | #368 |
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What does Don Lemon have to do to get fired by CNN?
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06-23-2015, 11:18 AM | #369 | |
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Bingo. And you change the view of the kids - who see that their parents may be deeply wrong on this issue (once again, the numbers on same-sex marriage based on age group is highly applicable)
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06-23-2015, 11:27 AM | #370 |
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What'd he do?
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I think you are giving the local politicians way too much credit. I dont think they had any opinion on the flag. Don't think they ever thought about it. Dont really think they care about it now, other than it is a great opportunity to sway some cross line votes. |
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06-23-2015, 12:46 PM | #374 |
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Ebay now as well will add confederate flag items to the not allowed list.
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06-23-2015, 12:52 PM | #375 |
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BREAKING: S.C. House amends resolution that calls them to a special session to include discussion of the Confederate Flag on 103-10 vote. The resolution now goes to the Senate.
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06-23-2015, 12:55 PM | #376 |
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Hopefully this will keep the damn flag from killing anyone else.
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Can usually blame that on the ownership group behind the stations, not their network affiliation. In the case of SC however ... (if you count Savannah to make five total) there's 2 Sinclair's, 1 that's run but not owned by Sinclair, 1 Meredith and 1 Bahakel which is basically mostly bottom feeding stations run on a shoestring like a mom & pop.
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06-23-2015, 01:13 PM | #378 | |
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Oh, I'm sure that's absolutely the case for some of them. They sense a change in wind direction and want to get on the prevailing side. But there are probably some who felt this way but didn't wish to head into the wind before (see Bobby Jindal and biology/creationist stuff, or politicians who feign faith.)
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Good for them. Everybody can like cars after all.
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Not really a big surprise there. They've sold out to special interests on numerous occasions, there's not much respect left for them as it is tbh.
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06-23-2015, 03:18 PM | #383 |
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Bo and Luke are gonna be pissed.
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They already hide the Confederate flag on the General Lee in the Auto Trader commercials. AutoTrader Helps The Dukes Find A New Car - YouTube
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Is there a strong correlation between people who love the confederate flag, and people who think "armed uprising against the US government" is a legitimate reason for the right to bear arms? I'd guess yes?
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Honestly, I'd have to say it's higher than your reply seemed to indicate. How "strong" (the original question) it is could be wide open for debate but I can't say that I've ever known any Southron that was deeply into the heritage that wouldn't have it as a factor. Hunting would almost certainly top it for #1 but I can't think of a single solitary one for whom the federal government isn't at least somewhere in the mix.
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I was angling more for the fact that there are people all across the country that believe in the right to bear arms for that reason. It's simply not just in southern states or the much smaller scaled confederate flag waving thing.
I can't wait to see what foreign media says next. "So your from the South eh? So exactly how long have you been a racist bastard?" |
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Credit to another board I frequent for originally finding this.
Why do Italian soccer fans and other foreigners fly the Confederate flag? - The Washington Post Quote:
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White racist comes to town trying to start a race war; Charleston comes together. Some black rabble-rousers (apparently from out of town, possibly from the New Black Panther Party) show up at the church being rude and disrespectful; they get "shouted" down by multiracial crowd of locals singing "We Shall Overcome." You go, Lowcountry!
Protesters attempt to disturb memorial at Mother Emanuel - WCBD-TV: News, Weather, and Sports for Charleston, SC
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Good for them!
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