2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by stevew

AOC is old enough in 2024

Whenever AOC does run, she will be attacked for not being progressive enough.

[GrantDawg]

AOC has shown a willingness to work with moderates for incremental changes. She too reasonable for many of the far left. I stopped following John Cusack months ago on Twitter because of his constant attacks on her not being liberal enough.
The number one reason the far left will never gain real power: they eat their young even worse than the run of the mill Democrat.

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[molson]

Three primaries going ahead today, looks like three more big Biden wins.

Sanders probably won't drop out but I'd love to see this over with and Biden step into the nominee role now.

Edit: AOC has really grown on me, I love her measured perspective on what the Dems have to be to move forward successfully.

[albionmoonlight]

Bernie dropping out now for the good of the party and the country would be the right move.

[Ben E Lou]

I think Bernie drops, talks about how we need to focus on the virus, not bickering, Dems and country need to unify to remove incompetent President, etc. If there's ever a moment for him to look magnanimous, this is it.

[JPhillips]

But Bernie's been opening new offices. I think he's playing a cynical strategy hoping that the virus blunts Biden's momentum.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

But Bernie's been opening new offices. I think he's playing a cynical strategy hoping that the virus blunts Biden's momentum.

Or b/c every primary will now have weirdness related to voting, he can claim he was robbed when he loses a primary.

Absolutely nothing about Bernie makes me think he will do the right thing here.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Or b/c every primary will now have weirdness related to voting, he can claim he was robbed when he loses a primary.

Absolutely nothing about Bernie makes me think he will do the right thing here.

Yes.

In 2016 he kept complaining about the superdelegates and then ran all summer on a strategy of maybe the superdelegates would give it to him.

[Edward64]

I was thinking good thing Bernie won't be around in 2024 and then remembered he's just a year older than Sanders.

[Jas_lov]

Yeah, but in the Nevada debate Bernie reversed his position and said the delegate leader should win. That was when it looked like it he would be the leader. He needs to drop out and endorse the nominee.

[Edward64]

No surprise to me but do wonder about the demographics & breakdown. Do these also hold true for the younger crowd also.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/polit...rch/index.html

Democratic primary voters across all three states heading to the polls on Tuesday said they trust former Vice President Joe Biden over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to handle a major crisis like the coronavirus pandemic facing the nation, according to preliminary findings from CNN primary polling.

About 6 in 10 in Illinois and Arizona said they would trust Biden more in a crisis, while in Florida, that stood higher at about 7 in 10. That mirrors findings from exit polling conducted last week, which found Biden trusted by a wide margin over Sanders among Democratic primary voters in Michigan, Missouri, and Washington.

Arizona, Florida and Illinois moved forward with their presidential primaries on Tuesday, while other states have postponed their elections over concerns about the virus. In Ohio, where a primary was scheduled for Tuesday, Republican Gov. Mike DeWine announced Monday night that polls would be closed because of a health emergency related to the pandemic.

[Ben E Lou]

It looks like Bernie is getting obliterated in Florida. Roughly 2.5 to 1 with around 30% of the votes counted.

[GrantDawg]

There looks like almost as many votes for people that have already drop as for Bernie in Florida. He is getting spanked.

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[Edward64]

Currently 60.5% vs 22.7% with 58% reported.

Isn't it safe to call it by now?

[JPhillips]

Surprising turnout in FL. Much higher than 2016.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Currently 60.5% vs 22.7% with 58% reported.

Isn't it safe to call it by now?

I think, just to be safe, we should let the Supreme Court decide Florida’s winner.

[GrantDawg]

They couldn't call it till all the polls where closed, Ed.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They couldn't call it till all the polls where closed, Ed.

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It closed at 7pm I thought?

[NobodyHere]

Looks like Florida voters don't care about the literacy rates in Cuba.

[Jas_lov]

Bernie miscalculated that all that support for him in 2016 was actually for him but it was just anti-Hillary. Biden is more likeable and winning every county in every state. Sanders needs to drop out tonight and endorse Biden. In 2016 he was actually winning states. Now he isn't even winning counties.

[GrantDawg]

The panhandle didn't close until 8. Two different time zones.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I think, just to be safe, we should let the Supreme Court decide Florida’s winner.

I joked about the Iowa caucus being the new whipping boy but am wrong. Yeah, Florida still holds strong even after 20 years!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The panhandle didn't close until 8. Two different time zones.

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Thanks! I was confused.

[GrantDawg]

That's what I have been seeing, Jas. Many people chock it up to simply sexism, and some of it might have been. Much of the difference though, comes from how many people just did not like Hillary. She made many enemies inside the Democratic party.

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[Jas_lov]

And after 4 years of Trump people just want someone stable and competent and that's Biden. Maybe that has something to do with it too.

[ISiddiqui]

Bernie is getting killed. At this point he probably should suspend.

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[albionmoonlight]

I've never read the comments on PredictIt before. I wandered down there tonight to see if people had theories on why Hillary is still over 5%.

Pro Tip: Never ever read the comments on PredictIt. I was there for five minutes, and now I think that I'm convinced that the FBI framed Michael Flynn because he was trying to stop Mark Rich from creating coronavirus to help Bill Clinton rape Jeffery Epstein. Or something.

[molson]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Pro Tip: Never ever read the comments on PredictIt. I was there for five minutes, and now I think that I'm convinced that the FBI framed Michael Flynn because he was trying to stop Mark Rich from creating coronavirus to help Bill Clinton rape Jeffery Epstein. Or something.

They're all just trying to sway the odds to help their position. Or at least, that's what I tell myself. It's more entertaining if you believe that.

[larrymcg421]

Progressive Marie Newman beat pro-life conservative Dem incumbent Dan Lipinski. This is a good thing. We need people like Manchin in states like West Virginia. There is no reason for a guy like Lipinski in a seat Clinton won by 15 points.

[Edward64]

Clean sweep by Biden. Congratulations.

Bernie, give it up. Accept the fact you were a bum and deadbeat dad until you got elected to office at 41 (?) and it wasn't the system holding you down or oppressing you. It was you being you. Don't give Trump a chance at another 4 years because of your hubris.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Accept the fact you were a bum and deadbeat dad until you got elected to office at 41 (?) and it wasn't the system holding you down or oppressing you.

Nobody is the same person today they were almost four decades ago. What matters is who Bernie Sanders is now, not who he was the first half of his life.

[Ben E Lou]

JUST IN:
⁦@BernieSanders⁩ campaign manager ⁦@fshakir⁩ releases statement that says Sanders is “assessing the state of his campaign.” He notes that right now Sanders is focused on the response to the Coronavirus- and the next primary is 3 weeks away. pic.twitter.com/djAeo3wgq6

— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) March 18, 2020

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

JUST IN:
⁦@BernieSanders⁩ campaign manager ⁦@fshakir⁩ releases statement that says Sanders is “assessing the state of his campaign.” He notes that right now Sanders is focused on the response to the Coronavirus- and the next primary is 3 weeks away. pic.twitter.com/djAeo3wgq6

— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) March 18, 2020

All the more reason to drop out. He shouldn't be focusing efforts on a lost campaign as a senator.

[NobodyHere]

Or at least "indefinitely suspend" the campaign in case Biden has a heart attack or something.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Or at least "indefinitely suspend" the campaign in case Biden has a heart attack or something.

I could be wrong about this, but I think that all of the candidates who "drop out" are technically "suspending" their campaigns.

I always figured that was for campaign finance reasons (and it might be), but I also figure that would let someone jump back in if a disaster happens.

[Ben E Lou]

Ok, I giggled.

It appears Sanders struggled primarily in the urban, rural, and suburban parts of the state. pic.twitter.com/aETmqa7vKN

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 18, 2020

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Nobody is the same person today they were almost four decades ago. What matters is who Bernie Sanders is now, not who he was the first half of his life.

I assume "Bum until 41" is related to Hillary's attack on bernie claiming that he never worked until he won an election at that age? Which is not true at all anyway.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I could be wrong about this, but I think that all of the candidates who "drop out" are technically "suspending" their campaigns.

I always figured that was for campaign finance reasons (and it might be), but I also figure that would let someone jump back in if a disaster happens.

Yep. And if something happens to Biden, I wouldn't be surprised if folks like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and even Harris jumped back in to try to win on the 2nd or 3rd ballot.

[molson]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I could be wrong about this, but I think that all of the candidates who "drop out" are technically "suspending" their campaigns.

I always figured that was for campaign finance reasons (and it might be), but I also figure that would let someone jump back in if a disaster happens.

I think there's also just no legal mechanism to remove yourself from a ballot once you qualify. My Dem primary ballot had 15+ names on it. If Deval Patrick got the most votes, then I think he'd win the primary, even though he's not campaigning.

[GrantDawg]

Progressives need to concentrate on getting more representation in Congress on the the local level. Things like the Marie Newman win. Get rid of the DINO's in Dem+8 districts and get more Representatives like AOC and gang. The change won't be a "revolution." Revolutions burn out. How about good, sustainable growth?

[NobodyHere]

If the party go towards democratic socialists like AOC then I'm voting Libertarian all across the board.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

If the party go towards democratic socialists like AOC then I'm voting Libertarian all across the board.

Yeah. I am ok with AOC types that seem to be somewhat reasonable but the Bernie Bros and ladies I have seen on CNN during the debates not thanks. They are completely not willing to listen to anyone over the age of 35 it seems. If the party is taken over by that crew I too will leave and provide my vote elsewhere.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Progressives need to concentrate on getting more representation in Congress on the the local level. Things like the Marie Newman win. Get rid of the DINO's in Dem+8 districts and get more Representatives like AOC and gang. The change won't be a "revolution." Revolutions burn out. How about good, sustainable growth?

2018 was wonderful in that regard, I really hope it can continue once Trump is gone and that it doesn't take a monster like him to generate even the slightest interest towards real change.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Ok, I giggled.

It appears Sanders struggled primarily in the urban, rural, and suburban parts of the state. pic.twitter.com/aETmqa7vKN

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 18, 2020

Sanders did get a county in the Midwest after getting shutout in Missouri and Michigan: Champaign, home of U-Ill

[Edward64]

Tulsi drops out.

I wonder where her 1,000 supporters go to?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Tulsi drops out.

I wonder where her 1,000 supporters go to?

Trump.

[Jas_lov]

Tulsi did endorse Biden. Bernie needs to do the same.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Tulsi drops out.

I wonder where her 1,000 supporters go to?

Back to Russia?

[ISiddiqui]

Strange stuff is going on in Dem primary twitter. Biden hasn't spoken since last Tuesday (which seems perfectly normal to me considering we are in a pandemic). Some Sanders supporters are hashtagging #WhereIsBiden which the speculation (based on nothing really) that he has coronavirus or something nefarious is going on. I think Biden is supposed to speak today and there have been reports that he's been having conversations with Dem Congressional leadership on the legislation proposed. Sanders has convinced some of his donors to give to coronavirus research instead of his campaign and has done some coronavirus live stream things lately - though did manage to miss some votes in Congress while doing so.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Strange stuff is going on in Dem primary twitter. Biden hasn't spoken since last Tuesday (which seems perfectly normal to me considering we are in a pandemic). Some Sanders supporters are hashtagging #WhereIsBiden which the speculation (based on nothing really) that he has coronavirus or something nefarious is going on. I think Biden is supposed to speak today and there have been reports that he's been having conversations with Dem Congressional leadership on the legislation proposed. Sanders has convinced some of his donors to give to coronavirus research instead of his campaign and has done some coronavirus live stream things lately - though did manage to miss some votes in Congress while doing so.

I would think those two (especially Sanders given his age and recent health problems) are probably best to stay isolated even if completely healthy.