Ladder - Create a Coach Thread (No longer needed)

[Kodos]

I believe the only way for us to get created coaches in the game is for me to edit them beforehand for each team on my Xbox. We have a spreadsheet we are working on for win/loss records and that kind of stuff, but here is the info I need from each of you. Go into edit coach on your Xbox (Team Management, then Edit Coaches). Let me know your preferred setting for each line below, either by PMing me or posting it in this thread.


Xbox Handle
User team
First Name
Last Name
Skin Tone (Dark/Light)
Body size (Medium/Large/X-Large)
Head (Medium 1-17/Large 1-6/X-Large 1-7)
Apparel (T-Shirt/Polo/Sweater Vest/Suit
Hat (None/Baseball Cap/Visor)
Glasses (Yes/No)
Alma Mater
Coach Level (we will need to figure out how to assign coach levels)
Age
Specialty (Defense/Offense)
Offensive Playbook
Run Off/Pass Off (35/40/45/50/55/60/65/70 etc.)
Aggressive %/Conservative% (37/42/47/52/57/62/67 etc.)
Sub Freq (35/40/45/50/55/60/65/70/75 etc.)
CPU No-Huddle Style (Conservative/Normal/Aggressive)
Defensive Playbook
Defend Run/Defend Pass (30/35/40/45/50/55/60/65/70 etc.)
Aggressive/Conservative (33/38/43/48/53/58/63 etc.)
Sub Freq (35/40/45/50/55/60/65/70/75 etc.)

[Kodos]

USC
In trying to figure out wins streaks, I just found out that USC had a 38-game win streak before losing to South Florida in the championship game in 2017. Amazing!

In Week 4 of the 2015 season, USC lost to Penn State 22-20 to fall to 2-1. From there, they won 11 games to finish 13-1. Then they went undefeated in 2016 (14-0), then won 13 games in 2017 before losing in the BCS championship game against South Florida.

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Tough tough game with Penn State. Defenses dominated the first half as we fumbled it twice and threw a pick and were down 13-7 at the half. Turnovers continued to be our bane in the 2nd half as we had 2 more fumbles and another pick. Despite the turnovers, we were only down 22-14 with 2 minutes left. We drove down the field and scored with a few seconds left. However, another fumble by our freshman QB stopped our 2 point attempt and we failed to recover an onside kick. We lose 22-20 and it hurts extra badly as this was a big recruiting weekend for us.

[Kodos]

Buffalo lost 63-42 to Virginia in the Military Bowl in 2015. In 2016, they went 12-0 before losing 52-17 to Texas in the Fiesta Bowl.
Longest win streak = 12

[Kodos]

Duke
2011 6-0, lost to USF in Week 10, 27-10.
2012, in Week 10, 6-0 Duke lost to 1-6 NIU, 33-28.

Originally Posted by chesapeake

What a disaster. Sacked 6 times, hurried 4 or 5 more and then, when I could actually get the ball out, my guys had 5 drops. I still had a shot to win at the end, but their safety made an amazing play to make up a huge amount of ground to get a pick and then broke 3 tackles to score a TD. Boo!

They would lose two more times en route to 10-3 for 2012
2013 - nothing of note
2014- 5-7 season - no wins streaks of note
2015 - Duke lost to 0-9 Tennessee, 38-28 in Week 11 to fall to 7-2. They won 5 in a row to close the 2015 season.
2016 - Won 2 games before losing 30-27 to Oklahoma in Week 5. Went on to finish 6-6 that season. 7 game win streak.
2017 - Duke started 9-0 before losing to 27-20 to 6-3 Florida in Week 12.
9 games is their longest win streak.

[Kodos]

Florida Atlantic
2015 - Week 15 lost 38-31 to Middle Tennessee State to finish 2-10.
2016 - FAU started 3-2, then won 8 consecutive games to finish 11-2 on the season.
2017 - Started 4-0 before losing 45-35 to 2-1 Houston in Week 7.
Longest win streak = 12

[Kodos]

Indiana
2013 - Started 5-2, won 6 in a row to finish 11-2.
2014 - Lost 32-29 to North Dakota in Week 1. In Week 7, 3-1 Indiana lost to 0-5 Western Michigan to fall to 3-2. We then rattled off 9 wins in a row to finish 12-2 on the season.
2015 - We won one more before falling to Kansas, 36-28 in Week 3. Win streak ends at 10. We ended the season with a 1-game win streak with a 31-21 victory over Clemson in the Belk Bowl.
2016 - Started 2-2, then won 10 straight to finish 12-2.
2017 - IU started 1-0 before losing 20-17 against Notre Dame in Week 2.
Longest streak = 11

[Kodos]

Rice
2014 - In Week 14, Rice lost 62-59 against Iowa State to fall to 7-5. Rice then won 48-30 over Air Force in the New Mexico Bowl to finish on a one-game win streak.
2015 - Won 13 straight before losing 24-7 to USC in the BCS Championship Bowl.
Longest streak = 14 games

[Kodos]

South Florida
2011 - Lost first game to Wake Forest to start 0-1.

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I almost came back from 28-7 down, but the stupid computer threw a 91 yard bomb as time expired AFTER two sacks and with me having 4 safeties deep when the other middle safety ran up to double-cover one WR leaving another streaking down the middle that I couldn't move over fast enough from my safety position to stop.

Combined with the 38 yard strike for a TD as the first half expired, a Hail Mary into a crowd in the endzone that their receiver miraculously jumped up and caught outright, I'm surprised my TV and controller survived the game.

Took me an entire half to get used to the fact that on this difficulty level not only do we have super-jumping LBs, we have super-jumping LBs with stickum.

South Florida then won 12 straight to finish our first season.
In 2012, USF started 2-0 before losing to TRO's Kansas squad, who would go on to finish 13-0 and #2 overall. Win streak dies at 14. The Bulls would then win 10 straight to finsih the 2012 season.
In 2013, the Bulls started 1-0 before losing to NC State in Week 2.

Originally Posted by gstelmack

3 point loss to NC State with several WTF moments and some screwups by me.

I got ahead 3 with a nice drive late, then their backup QB botched an option play by throwing behind the runner. I had a player right there who made one of those beautiful WTF one-handed catches behind himself, who took it in for a TD. We hold them, but can't grind out the clock. They pull the old "score a TD, recover the onside kick when it bounces off one of my hands guys and back to their team, then score another quick TD" to pull ahead by 3 with a minute left. I get the ball, drive to their 14, throw two incompletions, then pull a bonehead move by running left when I'm on the left hashmark. No first down, bad angle for the FG, and miss the FG.

Sigh, alas.

The streak stops at 11.
In week 12 of 2013, #12 USF (8-2) lost to #18 USC (6-3) in front of their home crowd, 23-7, to fall to 8-3. They finsished with a 2 game win streak to finish 10-3.
2014 - They won 4 games before losing in a thriller to Duke, 31-30. Streak ends at 6.

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Very close game between Duke and South Florida. Thanks to my LBs undercutting routes, we got several turnovers for a short field and were up 13-3 at the half and 27-3 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. It would have been worse but I brainfarted on 2 FG attempts early (used right stick instead of left to try and line it up, then mistimed the second).

Then suddenly we were turning the ball over. A bad pass for a pick, we were strip-sacked, another bad pick or two, and a couple of allowed 2-point conversions and we were at 27-25 late in the fourth. We got down deep, but our FB was stopped inches short on 3rd down and we didn't dare try for 4th-and-inches, so we kicked a FG to make it 30-25 with about 2 and a half minutes left. Duke drove, converting a third-and-long, and a 4th-and-4 when we had the QB wrapped up for the sack and he pulled an Eli and hit the long pass downfield to the goalline. Chesapeake punched it in, but missed the 2-point conversion, and had a 31-30 lead with 25 seconds left.

We still had a shot, and I thought for sure one pass was going to drop between the LBs and Safeties but his safety made a great play to knock it down or we would have been close to FG range. The next play was well covered, and we were stuck with a Hail Mary that failed for the last one.

Good game, frustrating on both sides, very sloppy, but a great finish.

2016 - USF finished 2016 with a one-game win streak.
2017 - 14-0, won championship over USC, ending USC's 38-game win streak, 15-7. Streak is currently at 15. Kinda sucks that there is no way to let them continue it.

[Kodos]

UTSA

2016 - UTSA starts 2-3, then wins 9 in a row to finish 11-3.
2017 - 14-0
Win streak is at 23, but once again, no way to continue it.

[gstelmack]

Xbox Handle: GRCurmudgeon
User team: USF
First Name: Greg
Last Name: Stelmack
Skin Tone: Light
Body size: Medium
Head: Medium 3
Apparel: Polo
Hat: Baseball Cap (Regular)
Glasses: Yes
Alma Mater: USF
Coach Level (we will need to figure out how to assign coach levels)
Age: 44
Specialty: Defense
Offensive Playbook: Multiple
Run Off/Pass Off: 50/50
Aggressive %/Conservative%: 50/50
Sub Freq: 65
CPU No-Huddle Style: Aggressive
Defensive Playbook: 4-3
Defend Run/Defend Pass: 50/50
Aggressive/Conservative: 40/60
Sub Freq: 65

DONE - Kodos

[Julio Riddols]

Xbox Handle: formanopinion
User team: UTSA
First Name: Shane
Last Name: Allen
Skin Tone: Light
Body size: Medium
Head: Medium 6
Apparel: Polo
Hat: None
Glasses: Yes
Alma Mater: IU
Coach Level (we will need to figure out how to assign coach levels)
Age: 33
Specialty: Defense
Offensive Playbook: Multiple
Run Off/Pass Off: 45/55
Aggressive %/Conservative%: 50/50
Sub Freq: 80
CPU No-Huddle Style: Conservative
Defensive Playbook: 3-4 Multiple
Defend Run/Defend Pass: 45/55
Aggressive/Conservative: 50/50
Sub Freq: 80

DONE - Kodos

[Kodos]

Here are the results from my Recruiting Class research. Unfortunately, I didn't document much for the 2011 season, so no recruiting rankings or Heisman winner for that season.

I'm somewhat torn on whether to use the 2012-2017 data for the teams that have been around from the beginning, or to just go with the 2014-2017 data that includes all current teams. Thoughts?

[gstelmack]

If you input individual counts, I'd say put them all. If they want an average, then "last 4 years" seems reasonable. Although I'm not sure how they'll maintain an average.

[CU Tiger]

Championship contender is calculated off last 4 recruiting class rankings only.

Going back farther just adds historical accuracy.

Im fine either way.

[Kodos]

Sounds like last 4 years is the way to go to me.

[Kodos]

Updated Coach Attributes/History Chart that I'll use when creating coaches.



Still need to assign coach levels. The columns in red are new or edited.

[Kodos]

Coach History spreadsheet with my newly-created coach level ratings. I used Chris Petersen as my benchmark (Level 15 - 61-5 record). I figured EF27 has won at a similar clip in a harder conference and has won 3 championships. Based on that, I rated him at Level 19, then I worked my way down from there. USF has one championship, Rice has been to the championship game twice, so they are a cut above the rest of the pack at Level 16. Indiana has a somewhat better record than Duke, and has fared better against the Top 25, so I put us 1 level above Duke. And so on, and so on. Let me know if they seem fair. Nothing is set in stone, but I did try to make them fair and tried to be objective.

[gstelmack]

Everything in there looks reasonable to me.

[Julio Riddols]

We'll probably be able to stack onto that 9 pretty quick, so no complaints from me.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

We'll probably be able to stack onto that 9 pretty quick, so no complaints from me.

Using team builder everyone should level up 8-9 levels year 1 as you will set every team record.

Personally one of the funnest aspects for me is when do you level up what set. So its mid way through a season and you get a new point...do i put it into 500 extra week 9-14 or put it into 500 extra for the off season.

I have no idea how you keep those tough decisions and still reward the work put in to date however.

[Julio Riddols]

It'll be fun, certainly.

[Kodos]

Now that you mention Coach Level Progression, we need to think about which speed to choose (slowest, slow, normal, fast, fastest).

I think we should choose slow or slowest here. Does anyone have experience with using the slower speeds? I think progression is much too fast in the Pyramid (which I think is set to normal).

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Coach Level Progression speeds - slowest, slow, normal, fast, fastest

I think we should choose slow or slowest here. Does anyone have experience with using the slower speeds? I think progression is much too fast in the Pyramid (which I think is set to normal).

I am a big fan of slowest in my solo career.

[CU Tiger]

If we are using slowest I think we need to incorporate that decision into the starting coach levels.

I am maybe the most sensitive here because I have by far the lowest ranking. However starting 11 levels behind EF27 on slowest if he didnt advance at all I would be looking at ~3-4 seasons to catch up.

It would make it pretty darn hard to compete with other humans teams. We are averaging what 2.25 seasons per calendar year. Id like to think we would eventually be able to max out but at 16 seasons to do so (Im trying to find where I saw it or if its just from my testing but I think on slowest winning a NC and a heisman you can expect 3 level advances per year..that average is based on that number)Im not sure we will ever get there.

I just think this coach level is a huge playing field leveler/slanter and hate being on the bad end of it. At least in 13 you could still find pockets, but with enhanced prospect search, and enhanced scouting now taking 1 action point...it seriously will be a near insurmountable mountain for those of us at the bottom.

[Julio Riddols]

Lets just all start fresh with slow advancement.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Lets just all start fresh with slow advancement.

I agree, but I also recognize and concede you and I are the latest additions and at the bottom of the heep so others might not feel the same.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm just going off the issue Kodos said he was having putting the coaches in anyway. Importing the teambuilder teams erases the coaches.

[Kodos]

Yep. The coach for the teambuilder team overwrites the coach on the team that gets replaced. And he starts out a level 1.

Maybe we go with slow progression, and all start out on equal footing (aside from rosters and conference placement)?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=89017

[Eaglesfan27]

I am good with all starting on equal footing.

[gstelmack]

I am not particularly concerned one way or the other. Would have been nice to correct some of the coach stuff, but if we have to let it build over time, I'm game.

[Kodos]

Cool. I know you put some time into researching coach records. Sorry it ended up being a bit of a waste of time.

[CU Tiger]

Agree. Greg, I appreciate the effort you put in even if its for naught.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ditto!

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Now that you mention Coach Level Progression, we need to think about which speed to choose (slowest, slow, normal, fast, fastest).

I think we should choose slow or slowest here. Does anyone have experience with using the slower speeds? I think progression is much too fast in the Pyramid (which I think is set to normal).

So the slow setting is acceptable to everyone?

[Eaglesfan27]

Good for me.

[gstelmack]

I do not know enough about NCAA 14 to have an informed opinion on the topic.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I do not know enough about NCAA 14 to have an informed opinion on the topic.

I should probably say this more often.

[CU Tiger]

Slow works for me.

[Kodos]

And folks are good with the OS sliders that we are using in the Pyramid? I plan to go with 9 minute quarters.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm good with any sliders.

[gstelmack]

I do not know enough about NCAA 14 to have an informed opinion on the topic.

(see, I've already started)

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I do not know enough about NCAA 14 to have an informed opinion on the topic.

What he said. Although usually knowing nothing about something does not affect me having an opinion on it. Not sure why I am changing that here.

[gstelmack]

See, we're both experiencing personal growth.

[Kodos]

I think we've had a breakthrough. Great session, men.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I think we've had a breakthrough. Great session, men.

LOL.

[Julio Riddols]

As long as I can throw an accurate bullet pass, I am good with whatever sliders. I've been playing a SP career with the sliders Eaglesfan put up (the Jistic sliders?) to test 'em out, and I have gotten a bit better over time with throwing the ball, but trying to adjust a throw or throw a bullet pass more than 10 yards down field leads to wild overthrows with my 87 Accuracy QB 90% of the time. Lots of frustrating misses on balls I should have been able to complete easily, some of which led to picks. The run game is pretty solid though, you have to wear a team down before you can get steady chunks on them, and I am only putting up about 400 yards of offense a game with a pretty strong squad.

I like that the CPU can actually run the option in this version too. It is really hard to defend unless you know its coming.. Even then it isn't a sure bet you'll shut down every run.

I also think the redshirt thing is completely random. I had a 79 OVR freshman RB who didn't get an automatic redshirt, while some lower rated freshmen did. I haven't tried multiple dynasties to see if it does the same guys every time, but I guess we'll find out once this starts back up. Pretty stoked that all this football excitement is converging as the NFL and college ball get back underway in real life.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Coach History spreadsheet with my newly-created coach level ratings. I used Chris Petersen as my benchmark (Level 15 - 61-5 record). I figured EF27 has won at a similar clip in a harder conference and has won 3 championships. Based on that, I rated him at Level 19, then I worked my way down from there. USF has one championship, Rice has been to the championship game twice, so they are a cut above the rest of the pack at Level 16. Indiana has a somewhat better record than Duke, and has fared better against the Top 25, so I put us 1 level above Duke. And so on, and so on. Let me know if they seem fair. Nothing is set in stone, but I did try to make them fair and tried to be objective.

Four things to think about before I create the Ladder:

1. After a little experimenting, I found out that we can have every user coach start out at a set level, be it 1 or 8 or 35. Not sure whether we should start out at 1 anyhow because we will progress quickly with teams that have no existing records. Or maybe start at 5? Thoughts?

2. After I create the league, people should see if they can create a new coach for OD. You won't be able to have stats or anything, but at least you can create a reasonable likeness of yourself.

3. After we went to the trouble of setting our team ratings in the various categories, it appears that the game changes those ratings somewhat whimsically.

4. The Operation Sports Community Sliders have changed once more. Do we want to use the newest settings, or the ones that are being used in the Pyramid?

[Kodos]

Newest OS sliders




Pyramid sliders

[CU Tiger]

I'd love to start at level 3 at an absolute minimum.

That allows one click scouting...none of us are rookie coaches so we should atleast no how to evaluate talent at this late stage

[Kodos]

Yeah, that seems reasonable. Or maybe 5 so you can have a little progress outside of recruiting.