The 2013-2014 NFL Offseason/Coaching/Free Agency (non-draft) Thread - Page 14

stevew · 03-03-2014, 09:58 PM

New Tampa Bay Buccaneers uniform features throwback orange, reflective chrome | Audibles - SI.com

More shots here. I like the red ones. Also as I suspected, the sleeves aren't as dark as the Martin Pic suggests.

cartman · 03-03-2014, 09:58 PM

I'd be surprised if any non-Offensive Lineman wouldn't regularly be able to kick a 19 yard PAT.

Danny · 03-03-2014, 09:58 PM

Will make superbowl squares more interesting

Danny · 03-03-2014, 09:59 PM

Make the pants a solid color and change to a normal number font and they arent too bad

Izulde · 03-03-2014, 10:26 PM

The red and orange clash, though.

stevew · 03-04-2014, 02:57 AM

Steelers inexplicably use the transition tag on Jason Worilds. In between turning down a gimme 3rd for Manny Sanders, and the Max Starks transition tag debacle of about 5 years ago, I'm really not sure we understand how the cap actually works in the modern NFL. Worilds is an okay dude, but nothing screams I wanna pay him 9.75m for the 2014 season when we have have some major needs all over. I'm hoping they have a long term deal ready to go.

mrtourette · 03-04-2014, 05:15 AM

I ike the Bucs helmet, but that uniform is terrible. And what's with the style of numbers? It's like someone's said 'young people like computers, let's put numbers on that look a bit computery'.

flere-imsaho · 03-04-2014, 06:42 AM

Make it more radical (the PAT).

Kick from regular distance for 1 point.
Option to go for 2 as now.
Option to kick from 50+ for 3 points, but if you miss the other team gets the ball at the spot unless they return it.

I did also like the idea someone had which was to kick it like rugby, in the sense that you kick it from the angle where the TD was scored. So if they guy scored the TD at the sideline, you kick from the sideline.

BillJasper · 03-04-2014, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Report: NFL exploring 43-yard extra point for 2014 preseason - CBSSports.com

I like this idea. Except I think they'd also need the two-point conversion out to the 12 yard line. It's a passing league and there really isn't much room to work with from the two.

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I like the idea that the player that scored gets to kick the extra point. That would make it exciting in a hurry.

Never happen at the NFL level. Just way too much invested in the players financially. It would be interesting to see at the college level though.

JPhillips · 03-04-2014, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I did also like the idea someone had which was to kick it like rugby, in the sense that you kick it from the angle where the TD was scored. So if they guy scored the TD at the sideline, you kick from the sideline.

That's the idea I like, too.

It would make end game scenarios much more interesting. If a team's down by 7 they would not only have to score a TD, but would have to worry about where they entered the end zone. The PAT for the tie would be much more interesting rather than a throw away play.

BillJasper · 03-04-2014, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I did also like the idea someone had which was to kick it like rugby, in the sense that you kick it from the angle where the TD was scored. So if they guy scored the TD at the sideline, you kick from the sideline.

It would add an interesting dimension. Though I'd add that the PAT be kicked from the line-of-scrimmage of the scoring play.

molson · 03-04-2014, 11:47 AM

I liked the other idea that eliminated the extra point kick entirely, and instead gave you an option to go for two at a risk of losing a point. I don't want to see kicking become a more important part of the game. Teams making only 83% of their extra point kicks would be a pretty huge change.

Buccaneer · 03-04-2014, 06:36 PM

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Browns president Alec Scheiner said on Tuesday that the new look is coming soon. During a radio interview in Cleveland, Scheiner was asked about the Buccaneers new uniforms, but he quickly turned the topic to the Browns' new duds.

"We'll have cutting-edge uniforms that link back to our history," Scheiner told Bull & Fox on WKRK-FM. "I don't want to speak about the Bucs uniforms, but I'm really excited about our direction. We've been working with the NFL and Nike for almost a year now."

I shudder at the thought of yet another Nike disaster.

whomario · 03-04-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

It would add an interesting dimension. Though I'd add that the PAT be kicked from the line-of-scrimmage of the scoring play.

I can just envision the first guy on a big play (down 6/7 and seconds to go) deciding to go out at the 1 to make sure the XP is as easy as possible

CU Tiger · 03-04-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I did also like the idea someone had which was to kick it like rugby, in the sense that you kick it from the angle where the TD was scored. So if they guy scored the TD at the sideline, you kick from the sideline.

Where do you spot the ball?
Do you allow blockers and defenders to play out of bounds?
The ball has to be covered on both sides...so...

Plus a 19 yarder fro the sideline is virtually unhittabe so youd just bring in the punter snapper and snap it 15-20 yards instad of 7 to get a angle.

Why not just eliminate holders and make drop kicks the rule

JPhillips · 03-04-2014, 08:17 PM

Set the PAT hash marks five yards from the out of bounds line. And if teams want to make it a 40 yd PAT they are free to do so.

Kodos · 03-04-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I liked the other idea that eliminated the extra point kick entirely, and instead gave you an option to go for two at a risk of losing a point.

This is the only one that doesn't make me cringe.

mrtourette · 03-05-2014, 03:20 AM

The rugby thing wouldn't work as you'd have no way of effectively placing the two lines for a kick taken at an angle from the sideline, unless you emulated rugby completely and got rid of the snap and lines and just took a static kick.

Eliminating the kick altogether sounds good, either make what is now a two-point conversion worth one point or give the team the choice of taking seven points or going for a conversion and coming away with six or eight depending on the outcome.

Or just move extra points back so that they become less automatic. That seems the most obvious and easy one.

stevew · 03-05-2014, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Steelers inexplicably use the transition tag on Jason Worilds. In between turning down a gimme 3rd for Manny Sanders, and the Max Starks transition tag debacle of about 5 years ago, I'm really not sure we understand how the cap actually works in the modern NFL. Worilds is an okay dude, but nothing screams I wanna pay him 9.75m for the 2014 season when we have have some major needs all over. I'm hoping they have a long term deal ready to go.

Worilds has a good agent, he already signed his tag. Nice overpay, good job good effort front office.

Coffee Warlord · 03-05-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

This is the only one that doesn't make me cringe.

Ditto.

Julio Riddols · 03-06-2014, 09:52 AM

Move extra points back to the 23 yard line. That's the one I can get behind.

Matthean · 03-06-2014, 10:13 AM

AP wants the Vikings to get Vick.

BillJasper · 03-06-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

AP wants the Vikings to get Vick.

Vick would be an often injured band-aid at best for the Vikings. I think Josh McCown would be a better band-aid.

Butter · 03-06-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Move extra points back to the 23 yard line. That's the one I can get behind.

Doesn't that pretty much eliminate going for 2, though? Or do you still start from the 3 if you are going for 2?

BillJasper · 03-06-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Doesn't that pretty much eliminate going for 2, though? Or do you still start from the 3 if you are going for 2?

Definitely eliminates faking the XP and trying for two.

Julio Riddols · 03-06-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Doesn't that pretty much eliminate going for 2, though? Or do you still start from the 3 if you are going for 2?

I think you still go for 2 from the same spot. Most teams would choose to kick the XP I think, but I also think there would be a lot of chances for coaches to make a 50/50 call on a windy day or in less than ideal conditions. It would add a lot of suspense to games I think, and kickers would become a lot more important. It is intriguing. It would give you a lot better idea of which kickers were good I think, giving them all dozens of 40 yarders every year to prove themselves.

Coffee Warlord · 03-06-2014, 12:58 PM

Bears will officially not be re-signing Hester. Smart move, IMO.

albionmoonlight · 03-06-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

AP wants the Vikings to get Vick.

Vick seems to have a level of respect among his peers that far outstrips his actual talent.

Logan · 03-06-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Vick seems to have a level of respect among his peers that far outstrips his actual talent.

Athletes play a lot of Madden.

stevew · 03-06-2014, 01:20 PM

Agree with eliminating the XP except in cases where they want to go for 2(at the cost of potentially losing a point). All of the other suggestions are kind of dumb. What I'd like to see is less of the "td" commercial break "xp" commercial break "kickoff" long commercial break "other team finally gets ball" stretch. Those extra commercials in there make the game intolerable to watch sometimes. good forbid the TD gets challenged and they can work an extra break in there somehow.

BillJasper · 03-06-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Agree with eliminating the XP except in cases where they want to go for 2(at the cost of potentially losing a point). All of the other suggestions are kind of dumb. What I'd like to see is less of the "td" commercial break "xp" commercial break "kickoff" long commercial break "other team finally gets ball" stretch. Those extra commercials in there make the game intolerable to watch sometimes. good forbid the TD gets challenged and they can work an extra break in there somehow.

Problem is that this has nothing to do with shortening the games. This will be an opportunity to shove another commercial in between the TD and Kickoff.

QuikSand · 03-07-2014, 07:50 AM

I know there are bigger stories in NFL free agency, but it will be pretty interesting to see what unfolds for Trindon Holliday. What is a sensible offer for a guy like that?

stevew · 03-07-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I know there are bigger stories in NFL free agency, but it will be pretty interesting to see what unfolds for Trindon Holliday. What is a sensible offer for a guy like that?

I dunno, Denver decided he wasn't worth 1.35m/year. I think maybe 2m total/2years or something to that effect.

Danny · 03-07-2014, 03:25 PM

Josh Mccown love is funny.

stevew · 03-07-2014, 03:33 PM

Cap projected to be upwards of 160m by 2016. Looks like the price of a brick is going up.

Abe Sargent · 03-07-2014, 04:56 PM

Chad Henne just got paid.

Chad Henne agrees to 2-year deal with Jacksonville Jaguars - ESPN

DaddyTorgo · 03-07-2014, 07:56 PM

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Henne's deal is worth $8 million, including $4.5 million guaranteed in the first year, a league source said.

Henne, who signed a two-year deal worth $6.75 million with the Jaguars in 2012, started 13 games and threw for 3,421 yards and 13 touchdowns with 14 interceptions in 2013.

Really? That's worth $4.5mil?

Danny · 03-07-2014, 08:05 PM

Why not? Cap at an all time high and Henne at the very least is one of the best backups in the league. And maybe he's a good mentor. Gabbert was never going to be any good no matter who mentored him

stevew · 03-07-2014, 08:25 PM

Henne is a good bad QB. That Jags team was very competent once he took over. 4m is upper tier "maybe" starter type range these days. Guys like Orton and Casselroughly get that. I believe in Gus Bradley.

Matthean · 03-08-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Really? That's worth $4.5mil?

Cassel just signed for $10 mil over 2 years to essentially do the same job.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-08-2014, 10:12 AM

Has anyone been paid more to be worse repeatedly like Cassel has? He's taken that ridiculously brief stint of awesome in New England and wrung every last bit out of it.

Abe Sargent · 03-08-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Has anyone been paid more to be worse repeatedly like Cassel has? He's taken that ridiculously brief stint of awesome in New England and wrung every last bit out of it.

Maybe Jeff George?

Julio Riddols · 03-08-2014, 01:15 PM

Re: Trindon Holliday - I think teams might see him as a borderline guy, one you sign if you have an injury in the stretch run to a return man.. I just think most would hesitate to put the ball in his hands consistently with his penchant for putting it on the ground. I don't think he gets a job until after the season starts, but I think a lot of teams will work him out and put him on their shortlists.

B & B · 03-08-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Has anyone been paid more to be worse repeatedly like Cassel has? He's taken that ridiculously brief stint of awesome in New England and wrung every last bit out of it.

Matt Flynn.

His agent must be a God.

Julio Riddols · 03-08-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

Matt Flynn.

His agent must be a God.

Flynn may end up being the perfect example of what a system can do for a QB. He plays pretty damn well for Green Bay, but it seems he is lost elsewhere.

whomario · 03-08-2014, 01:37 PM

Wasn´t Flynn simply hampered by a bum elbow for much of last season ? Other than that he got beat out by Russel Wilson (who seems kinda good, but i dunno ...)

I would hardly compare him to a guy like Cassell.

tucker rocky · 03-08-2014, 02:42 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ksonville-jags

Goes from SB winner, to a team in rebuild mode.

stevew · 03-09-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Re: Trindon Holliday - I think teams might see him as a borderline guy, one you sign if you have an injury in the stretch run to a return man.. I just think most would hesitate to put the ball in his hands consistently with his penchant for putting it on the ground. I don't think he gets a job until after the season starts, but I think a lot of teams will work him out and put him on their shortlists.

To me, Devin Hester would be a more interesting case study if we're going with a pure returner.

Holliday is like a less shitty version of Brandon Banks.

stevew · 03-09-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ksonville-jags

Goes from SB winner, to a team in rebuild mode.

Obvious Gus Bradley connection. I bet they attempt to sign Browner or Thurmond as well.

DaddyTorgo · 03-09-2014, 07:10 PM

The fuck?

Rashard Mendenhall is retiring??

Running back Rashard Mendenhall to retire from NFL - ESPN

Good for him, going out healthy and on his own terms, just surprising.

03-03-2014, 09:58 PM	#652
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03-03-2014, 09:58 PM	#651
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	New Tampa Bay Buccaneers uniform features throwback orange, reflective chrome \| Audibles - SI.com More shots here. I like the red ones. Also as I suspected, the sleeves aren't as dark as the Martin Pic suggests.

03-03-2014, 09:58 PM	#653
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Will make superbowl squares more interesting

03-03-2014, 09:59 PM	#654
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Make the pants a solid color and change to a normal number font and they arent too bad

03-04-2014, 02:57 AM	#656
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Steelers inexplicably use the transition tag on Jason Worilds. In between turning down a gimme 3rd for Manny Sanders, and the Max Starks transition tag debacle of about 5 years ago, I'm really not sure we understand how the cap actually works in the modern NFL. Worilds is an okay dude, but nothing screams I wanna pay him 9.75m for the 2014 season when we have have some major needs all over. I'm hoping they have a long term deal ready to go.

03-04-2014, 05:15 AM	#657
mrtourette High School JV Join Date: Dec 2013	I ike the Bucs helmet, but that uniform is terrible. And what's with the style of numbers? It's like someone's said 'young people like computers, let's put numbers on that look a bit computery'.

03-04-2014, 06:42 AM	#658
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Make it more radical (the PAT). Kick from regular distance for 1 point. Option to go for 2 as now. Option to kick from 50+ for 3 points, but if you miss the other team gets the ball at the spot unless they return it. I did also like the idea someone had which was to kick it like rugby, in the sense that you kick it from the angle where the TD was scored. So if they guy scored the TD at the sideline, you kick from the sideline.

03-04-2014, 11:47 AM	#662
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I liked the other idea that eliminated the extra point kick entirely, and instead gave you an option to go for two at a risk of losing a point. I don't want to see kicking become a more important part of the game. Teams making only 83% of their extra point kicks would be a pretty huge change.

03-05-2014, 03:20 AM	#668
mrtourette High School JV Join Date: Dec 2013	The rugby thing wouldn't work as you'd have no way of effectively placing the two lines for a kick taken at an angle from the sideline, unless you emulated rugby completely and got rid of the snap and lines and just took a static kick. Eliminating the kick altogether sounds good, either make what is now a two-point conversion worth one point or give the team the choice of taking seven points or going for a conversion and coming away with six or eight depending on the outcome. Or just move extra points back so that they become less automatic. That seems the most obvious and easy one.

03-06-2014, 12:58 PM	#677
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Bears will officially not be re-signing Hester. Smart move, IMO.

03-06-2014, 01:20 PM	#680
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Agree with eliminating the XP except in cases where they want to go for 2(at the cost of potentially losing a point). All of the other suggestions are kind of dumb. What I'd like to see is less of the "td" commercial break "xp" commercial break "kickoff" long commercial break "other team finally gets ball" stretch. Those extra commercials in there make the game intolerable to watch sometimes. good forbid the TD gets challenged and they can work an extra break in there somehow.

03-07-2014, 07:50 AM	#682
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I know there are bigger stories in NFL free agency, but it will be pretty interesting to see what unfolds for Trindon Holliday. What is a sensible offer for a guy like that?

03-07-2014, 03:25 PM	#684
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Josh Mccown love is funny.

03-07-2014, 03:33 PM	#685
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Cap projected to be upwards of 160m by 2016. Looks like the price of a brick is going up.

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03-07-2014, 08:05 PM	#688
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Why not? Cap at an all time high and Henne at the very least is one of the best backups in the league. And maybe he's a good mentor. Gabbert was never going to be any good no matter who mentored him Last edited by Danny : 03-07-2014 at 08:07 PM.

03-07-2014, 08:25 PM	#689
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Henne is a good bad QB. That Jags team was very competent once he took over. 4m is upper tier "maybe" starter type range these days. Guys like Orton and Casselroughly get that. I believe in Gus Bradley.

03-08-2014, 10:12 AM	#691
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Has anyone been paid more to be worse repeatedly like Cassel has? He's taken that ridiculously brief stint of awesome in New England and wrung every last bit out of it.

03-08-2014, 01:15 PM	#693
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Re: Trindon Holliday - I think teams might see him as a borderline guy, one you sign if you have an injury in the stretch run to a return man.. I just think most would hesitate to put the ball in his hands consistently with his penchant for putting it on the ground. I don't think he gets a job until after the season starts, but I think a lot of teams will work him out and put him on their shortlists. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

03-08-2014, 01:37 PM	#696
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03-08-2014, 02:42 PM	#697
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Red Bryant signs with Jacksonville http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ksonville-jags Goes from SB winner, to a team in rebuild mode.

03-09-2014, 07:10 PM	#700
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	The fuck? Rashard Mendenhall is retiring?? Running back Rashard Mendenhall to retire from NFL - ESPN Good for him, going out healthy and on his own terms, just surprising. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 03-09-2014 at 07:11 PM.

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