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Old 03-05-2024, 12:33 PM   #151
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Seemed like TB releasing Mayfield was a prelude to bringing him back. The fit makes sense for another year or so.
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Old 03-06-2024, 09:20 AM   #152
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Old 03-06-2024, 01:00 PM   #153
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First,when did we start classifying 70% of something as "some"?

Second, I noticed that they specifically mentioned Chiefs fans, I wonder how the Dolphins fans fared?
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Old 03-06-2024, 02:43 PM   #154
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Was the Russell Wilson trade the worst ever? - NBC Sports
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Old 03-06-2024, 02:44 PM   #155
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Okay let's go! WHich teams still need a starting QB? WHich have a starter and which have muiltiple scrubs and which have nothing? And which QBs are in FA?
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Old 03-06-2024, 02:53 PM   #156
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Wow. I love sports, but I ain't looking to part with any appendages for my team.
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Old 03-06-2024, 09:34 PM   #157
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Is it the worst trade or the worst extension?

I mean just looking at the players now that all of the draft picks have been made, the trade itself still does not look like a bad trade. Russ for a Pro Bowl CB, an edge Rusher and an starting left tackle is not outrageous. It is not good but not outrageous It doesn't cause me the heaves like remembering Indianapolis traded a 1st rounder for Trent Richardson. Now the Russ extension, that was absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 03-07-2024, 07:59 AM   #158
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Did you forget the other players, or are you looking at just the draft picks? I'd take Noah Fant and Shelby Harris back in a second.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:01 AM   #159
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Judging trades by the player picked is also a little dicey.

If I trade a backup guard for a 6th round pick that turns into Tom Brady, is that the worst trade ever?
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:52 AM   #160
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Old 03-07-2024, 09:03 AM   #161
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The Deshaun Watson trade is right there as well
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Old 03-07-2024, 09:34 AM   #162
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Old 03-07-2024, 09:54 AM   #163
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Let's not forget the Saints trade to draft Ricky Williams.
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Old 03-07-2024, 12:27 PM   #164
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Saints going to release Mike Thomas.

He's spent the morning tweeting shit at the biggest douchebag of the local NOLA reporters.

I respect that. When you leave, none of this lame thanking the fans. Settle scores. Burn bridges. Go out a legend.
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Old 03-07-2024, 12:30 PM   #165
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Didn't Thomas' issues start when he got hurt in a blowout and his ankle just never was the same? I remember that game because I thought it was crazy the Saints were keeping their starters in and then he got rolled up on bad.
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Old 03-07-2024, 12:48 PM   #166
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100%. It was a total freak injury on a meaningless play.

Then there were issues with the rehab. Differing views on whether the team fucked it up or whether he refused the proper treatment. The Saints training staff sucks and MT is crazy, so I could see either of those being likely.

And he's never been the same since. Just can't stay on the field.

Some team will give him an incentive-laden prove-it deal. And if he stays healthy, it will be a steal. And if he does not, then that's probably it for him.
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Old 03-07-2024, 12:53 PM   #167
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The Dolphins are signing Jonnu Smith to a two year, ten million dollar deal. Word is Arthur Smith cannot stop crying.
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Old 03-07-2024, 04:28 PM   #168
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Did you forget the other players, or are you looking at just the draft picks? I'd take Noah Fant and Shelby Harris back in a second.

I did.

Fant's targets and catches have dropped from 90/68 in his last season with the Broncos to to 63/50 and 43/32 with the Seahawks. Not saying that he is on a decline but that stat line does not scream out someone that was not worth giving up in a trade for a franchise QB. The Broncos could have resigned Harris last offseason and they could resign him this offseason as well.

I defer to you as you watch them every week and follow them more closely than I do. I just don't get the impression that Bronco fans or anyone else is saying that including Fant and Harris not to mention Drew Lock in the trade make that a bad trade. The deal including the picks was a risky move that did not pan out if you just have Russ in the second year of the extension he signed with Seattle in 2019. He would have also been a UFA right now. We would have seen it as the team taking a shot to get a franchise QB and they missed.
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Old 03-07-2024, 05:18 PM   #169
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I'm thinking of it more from the standpoint of what we lost and didn't replace. Denver's run D was terrible. Another safety blanket dump-off receiving target for Wilson wouldn't have hurt.
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Old 03-07-2024, 06:35 PM   #170
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If I trade a backup guard for a 6th round pick that turns into Tom Brady, is that the worst trade ever?

I would say it's the most unfortunate trade ever.
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:53 AM   #171
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Thing is regarding the Wilson trade, the need and expectation of a max contract was built into the price of the return. I don’t think you can just separate them like that.

If you were getting an all-pro 9x pro bowl Super Bowl winning QB on a long term reasonable second contract he was willing to play on, the price would have been higher and way more teams would have been in on it. Same as Watson.
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Old 03-08-2024, 01:29 PM   #172
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How the hell did the Rams convince Matthew Stafford to wait until after he played for a year and won a Super Bowl with the Rams before he signed his new deal?
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Old 03-08-2024, 01:43 PM   #173
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Of course with Wilson, you're also getting a QB who is well into his 30s. I know I know, Brady. But I saw a graphic on SB appearances by exp of QB, and the vast majority of them were guys with I think 8 years or fewer in the league. Brady and Manning were the big outliers. (Elway too if you go back far enough.)

I can't find it now, but age is a good enough proxy, I guess: Super Bowl Starting QBs | Pro Football Hall of Fame
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:26 PM   #174
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How the hell did the Rams convince Matthew Stafford to wait until after he played for a year and won a Super Bowl with the Rams before he signed his new deal?

He valued getting out of Detroit and in LA more than the Rams valued getting him? The Rams had a QB (leverage) and could go on as is.

If Denver wanted, what looked to be a top QB, they had no other options, so no leverage?
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:45 PM   #175
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Of course with Wilson, you're also getting a QB who is well into his 30s. I know I know, Brady. But I saw a graphic on SB appearances by exp of QB, and the vast majority of them were guys with I think 8 years or fewer in the league. Brady and Manning were the big outliers. (Elway too if you go back far enough.)

I can't find it now, but age is a good enough proxy, I guess: Super Bowl Starting QBs | Pro Football Hall of Fame
I don't buy into to that. For one, it is like the very definition of small sample size. Because Brady has been in so many Super Bowls if you take his appearances out then you make that sample size even smaller. You basically had someone blocking out other quarterbacks from half the equation a couple a decades. Then you have Stafford just doing it two years ago. Then Peyton, Kurt Warner (at 37!). I'm not sure if Eli, Brees or Ryan were still within their first 8 years, but they were 31. The 30's barrier isn't really much of a barrier for Super Bowls. Even as look further back there are 31+ year olds making it pretty consistently.
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Old 03-08-2024, 06:55 PM   #176
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If memory serves, I don't think it was Wilson that was pushing for a new contract. He still had two years left.

I believe what happened was that the Walton's bought the team and decided to come into the NFL like a bunch of big swinging dicks by putting their (mushroom) stamp on the franchise ("oh, look at us, we're rich and powerful and making an impact").

I'll try and find a source for this. As much as George Paton should get roasted for the trade (and Nathaniel Hackett), I believe he was at the mercy of the new ownership group when it came to the contract.

I also don't think more teams would have been in on him. There were people saying he was in decline even before he was traded by the Seahawks.

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Report: GM George Paton Safe, Wanted to Wait on Wilson Extension

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Old 03-08-2024, 11:27 PM   #177
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Wow Raiders, Giants, Steelers into the Russell Wison lottery

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Old 03-08-2024, 11:33 PM   #178
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Old 03-09-2024, 11:36 AM   #179
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Jerry Jeudy to the Browns for a 5th and 6th. Seems light but he's never been great.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:15 PM   #180
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The Ricky Williams trade was god awful as well. The Redskins essentially pulled Champ Bailey and LaVar Arrington from that trade.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:36 PM   #181
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The Bengals could have had all of those picks but they went with Akili Smith instead.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:48 PM   #182
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The Bengals could have had all of those picks but they went with Akili Smith instead.

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Old 03-09-2024, 01:36 PM   #183
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Jerry Jeudy to the Browns for a 5th and 6th. Seems light but he's never been great.

Never lived up to the hype. Has shown flashes but that's it. Combined with the 13 million he is making this season, I'm almost surprised they got anything for him.
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Old 03-09-2024, 01:59 PM   #184
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I suppose they are going to stick with Sutton and then Tim Patrick was just re-signed to see if he can come back from back-to-back season-ending injuries.

My daughter was ecstatic about Patrick re-signing because she bought his jersey almost 3 years ago and he hasn't played a down since then.
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Old 03-09-2024, 07:04 PM   #185
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The past four seasons, it felt like Sutton, Patrick, Jeudy and Hamler (then Mims) would constantly get talked up in OTA's and training camp with people asking "Is this the year the young Broncos wide receivers are going to breakout?" It feels like we've finally moved on from that.
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Old 03-10-2024, 04:41 AM   #186
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Jerry Jeudy to the Browns for a 5th and 6th. Seems light but he's never been great.

Kinda thought they were lucky to get anything for him given his relatively large guaranteed salary and meh performance. He is approx the 30th WR in salary for 2024
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Old 03-10-2024, 10:23 AM   #187
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looks like the QB dominoes are beginning to fall-Mac Jones to the jags for a late round pick. Seems a bit of a strange place for him to land
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Old 03-10-2024, 10:29 AM   #188
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looks like the QB dominoes are beginning to fall-Mac Jones to the jags for a late round pick. Seems a bit of a strange place for him to land

+1

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Old 03-10-2024, 04:11 PM   #189
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The QB position in today’s NFL is just so wild. You’ve got a player who was right in the middle of the pack statistically as a rookie, second in ROY voting, takes an average team to the playoffs and is widely considered the best QB in the draft. Then yes, two bad ones but under very challenging circumstances with instability in the coaching staff and probably one of the worst receiving corps in the league.

And yet they’d rather jettison him before they’ve even picked somebody in the upcoming draft for basically nothing. Not even worth bringing into camp and seeing if he settles into a backup role with the new staff. And what is even more wild is no other team with a need for a young QB thinks he’s worth a sixth round pick to bring into camp and see if he works in their system. He’s forced to go a team where he’s the unquestioned mop up guy if their highly touted young QB gets hurt, and I imagine there’s a chance he’s not even on the roster at the start of the season.

Maybe it’s just that player evaluation is so strong now that it’s obvious when a player doesn’t have it and maybe if you don’t have a top 10 QB you have no chance but plenty of decent serviceable QBs have struggled their first few years in the league. If you don’t hit a HR with your QB pick, rather turn down the single and try again for another HR a few years later.
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Old 03-10-2024, 04:27 PM   #190
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Someone paid 100K for a 1/1 Prizm Mac Jones football card a few years back. Not looking good.
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Old 03-10-2024, 04:33 PM   #191
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Old 03-10-2024, 05:02 PM   #192
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Pretty good deal for the Buccs. $50 million guaranteed for the next two years. They can walk away from it at the end of next year for a $20 million cap hit. It is basically a $30 million a year deal for the next two years. He can make more with incentives. I think he would have gotten a bigger contract elsewhere if he had hit the market tomorrow.

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Old 03-10-2024, 06:13 PM   #193
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I think it’s a good fit. Hopefully it at least keeps asses in the seats.
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Old 03-10-2024, 10:46 PM   #194
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Old 03-11-2024, 12:29 AM   #196
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Old 03-11-2024, 07:06 AM   #197
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Today is going to be interesting. I think we will see a few big moves and get a read on where a few others are leaning.
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Old 03-11-2024, 11:02 AM   #198
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:34 PM   #199
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And there goes Cousins.
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:48 PM   #200
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