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DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:47 AM

omg...really...the PB thing again? Lathum's quick vote with no comment made me think that he had some type of inside information so i moved to back him up.

and i did a lot of good public thinking on the EF thing (people even said as much at the time).

if you want to lynch me, go ahead, it's no big loss.

if lathum's been criticized and really can't put his money where his mouth is, then there's no point in voting for hoops to try to see if that theory of mine is correct at this juncture.

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

Poli · 05-18-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I may actually like DT as a better candidate. I mean, lets face it, there was probably at least one wolf on EF at some point.

I think hoops was making that argument before and I can agree with that. I would say one, maybe two at that.

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

While a single vote doesn't mean too too much, if you read back I think you'll see I was the major voice in making a case for EF which would be outrageously stupid for a wolf.

I'm not so sure it is.

I think it was pretty clear EF was going to either be voted off or scanned very soon, what better way to buy trust then get in early on that sweet, sweet action.

It's what I would do. I think we would be making a huge mistake if we assumed there were no wolves voting for EF.

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:51 AM

so basically you're suspicious of everyone who voted early for Lathum?

That just screams classic "deflect attention away from me" to me right now

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so basically you're suspicious of everyone who voted early for Lathum?

That just screams classic "deflect attention away from me" to me right now

when did anyone ever vote for me?

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 10:53 AM

I haven't been able to follow this morning very well, but my list is the people who followed Lathum's vote for PB, probably to get the bandwagon going on him instead of EF -- that's DT, hoops, and clap.

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 10:53 AM

Telle, the reason I've dropped off Saldana is because I don't think he is as dumb a wolf as his voting record and play up to this point suggest. If, after the game it turns out that he is, then hopefully we can have a good laugh together over these posts. I did vote for him yesterday when it seemed that my candidate (The Jackal) wasn't going to get the votes. So I voted Saldana to try and save PB and because I thought you were a smidge more likely good than evil.

I obviously cannot speak for others, but Saldana has one of the worst voting records in the game. He has also not disputed that point. But I would like to see him start bringing some more to the table in terms of analysis because I've seen him play some very good games in the past combining gut/logic.

I'm going to put a vote down at this point because I would like to see us start to dial up the pressure a little bit on a couple of people.

VOTE LERRIUQS

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so basically you're suspicious of everyone who voted early for EagleFan Lathum?

That just screams classic "deflect attention away from me" to me right now

corrected

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

omg...really...the PB thing again? Lathum's quick vote with no comment made me think that he had some type of inside information so i moved to back him up.

and i did a lot of good public thinking on the EF thing (people even said as much at the time).

if you want to lynch me, go ahead, it's no big loss.

if lathum's been criticized and really can't put his money where his mouth is, then there's no point in voting for hoops to try to see if that theory of mine is correct at this juncture.

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

when did anyone ever vote for me?

corrected below. left out the "for EF" clause

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

haha

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I haven't been able to follow this morning very well, but my list is the people who followed Lathum's vote for PB, probably to get the bandwagon going on him instead of EF -- that's DT, hoops, and clap.

bandwagon? he indicted he had info... ie a seer scan, so we voted accordingly, then when he indicated it was something else, we (well me) unvoted.

this seems to be an argument like lathum (kept) making (over and over) last game, and he turned out to be a wolf.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate photobucket! its blocked at work

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 10:57 AM

Clap, what candidates stand out for you right now? Since people are speculating that you are staying out of the line of fire with your votes, here is a chance for you to help shape the voting for today.

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

bandwagon? he indicted he had info... ie a seer scan, so we voted accordingly, then when he indicated it was something else, we (well me) unvoted.

this seems to be an argument like lathum (kept) making (over and over) last game, and he turned out to be a wolf.

i agree with clap.

i didn't realize lathum was criticized. be ballsy of the wolves to criticize their own twice in a game though...

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

bandwagon? he indicted he had info... ie a seer scan, so we voted accordingly, then when he indicated it was something else, we (well me) unvoted.

this seems to be an argument like lathum (kept) making (over and over) last game, and he turned out to be a wolf.

What did he say that indicated that?

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 10:59 AM

and had i realized you were criticized and unable to speak lathum obviously i would have realized that my plan wasn't going to work...so i unvoted...what's your point?

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

bandwagon? he indicted he had info... ie a seer scan, so we voted accordingly, then when he indicated it was something else, we (well me) unvoted.

.

please quote where I said I had info.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i agree with clap.

i didn't realize lathum was criticized. be ballsy of the wolves to criticize their own twice in a game though...

I think this was me more being suspicious of pass....

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

this seems to be an argument like lathum (kept) making (over and over) last game, and he turned out to be a wolf.

I really don't see any correlation between the 2.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Clap, what candidates stand out for you right now? Since people are speculating that you are staying out of the line of fire with your votes, here is a chance for you to help shape the voting for today.

telles comments bug me, but im not sure.... she always comes of as kinda wolfy to me

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

please quote where I said I had info.

I think the jump in right at deadline indicated something to us.... I dont think you ever SAID, thats why I said indicated

no need to get defensive....

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and had i realized you were criticized and unable to speak lathum obviously i would have realized that my plan wasn't going to work...so i unvoted...what's your point?

So what, exactly, was your plan? To see if Lathum would vote for me because you thought we were both wolves? I'm seriously not following this at all. Trying to predict what either one of us would do, as wolves together, separately, or not at all, eight hours before deadline seems like an exercise in futility.

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I think the jump in right at deadline indicated something to us.... I dont think you ever SAID, thats why I said indicated

no need to get defensive....

So why did you decide to vote early, instead of waiting for more info?

saldana · 05-18-2009, 11:03 AM

thanks for thinking i am not as stupid as i seem Hoops

i actually do have a thought....not saying i firmly believe it, but it is a thought worth throwing out there.

there was a lot of disbelief on day 2 regarding EF because he was criticized on N1...people didnt think that the wolves would waste their criticism on one of there own...EF of course turned up wolf.

now it is N3, and they have another shot to criticize someone. seeing how many people didnt think they would do it the first time, would it not be an interesting ploy to criticize one of their own again as a means of buying trust?

half of us didnt think they would waste it once...how many of us wont think they will waste it twice?

again, not saying i am even sold on my own idea, but it is food for thought.

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and had i realized you were criticized and unable to speak lathum obviously i would have realized that my plan wasn't going to work...so i unvoted...what's your point?

what plan is that?

To get a run on Hoops when there are obviously better candidates?

Great plan

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

thanks for thinking i am not as stupid as i seem Hoops

i actually do have a thought....not saying i firmly believe it, but it is a thought worth throwing out there.

there was a lot of disbelief on day 2 regarding EF because he was criticized on N1...people didnt think that the wolves would waste their criticism on one of there own...EF of course turned up wolf.

now it is N3, and they have another shot to criticize someone. seeing how many people didnt think they would do it the first time, would it not be an interesting ploy to criticize one of their own again as a means of buying trust?

half of us didnt think they would waste it once...how many of us wont think they will waste it twice?

again, not saying i am even sold on my own idea, but it is food for thought.

Walk through that thought, then. What was Lathum's agenda on Day 2 if he was a wolf? If he wanted to try and get a non-wolf lynched there are probably better ways of doing it than the route he took. So what was he trying to accomplish?

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

why such a quick vote, lathum?

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I saw some stuff in his play yesterday that stuck out to me

just wanted to put in quotes where I said my vote was based on something I saw in his play.

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So what, exactly, was your plan? To see if Lathum would vote for me because you thought we were both wolves? I'm seriously not following this at all. Trying to predict what either one of us would do, as wolves together, separately, or not at all, eight hours before deadline seems like an exercise in futility.

resistance...is...never...futile!!

they invade our space and we fall back. they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. not again! the line must be drawn here! this far, no further!

saldana · 05-18-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

resistance...is...never...futile!!

they invade our space and we fall back. they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. not again! the line must be drawn here! this far, no further!

very nice...did you see the new one?

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I really don't see any correlation between the 2.

the correlation is... you picked up on something completely random and pounded it over and over and over last game, to make me look bad, and you were a wolf. and here we have pass picking up something equally inane, and is not making a big deal about it.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So why did you decide to vote early, instead of waiting for more info?

I always prfer to vote early, because im a flake and dont want to forget

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I always prfer to vote early, because im a flake and dont want to forget

I think I missed your vote today. Who was it for?

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

very nice...did you see the new one?

mmhmm opening night - you haven't been participating in the OT thread on it? or are you mocking me?

I'm slowly coming around on it - going to see it again this week with a friend and we'll see what i think then

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

the correlation is... you picked up on something completely random and pounded it over and over and over last game.

I do that every game, whether I am a wolf or not.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think I missed your vote today. Who was it for?

havent voted yet.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:15 AM

vote passacaglia

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:15 AM

happy

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I do that every game, whether I am a wolf or not.

usually when you grab on to something, it is at least relevant to the game

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

havent voted yet.

How early do you usually prefer to vote?

saldana · 05-18-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Walk through that thought, then. What was Lathum's agenda on Day 2 if he was a wolf? If he wanted to try and get a non-wolf lynched there are probably better ways of doing it than the route he took. So what was he trying to accomplish?

lets look at what he actually did.

he shot a vote out at 20 minutes into the day and used a very nebulous defense about why. he could easily have been taking advantage of the "no information about your role" mechanic as a means of a cover.

he backpedaled away from his own vote the entire day, saying he would like the other vote for EF better...i wish i had more time to go back and check the timings of his various statements...was he covering his tail by agreeing with the EF votes after they already started to gain some momentum?

he claims that the outcome of the day was advantagous to not only him, but the village as a whole, but we have yet to see anything to validate that point

on day 2, i said i detected the manipulations of a very good wolf...my initial thoughts were it was Hoops (which it still may be), but my short list included Lathum, Barkeep, and Poli. of those, barkeep is obviously out, but I think you will agree that this strategy is well within Lathums vaunted wolfy skillset.

as to why would he be so daring on day 2...he knows he needs to make a move to get in the COT early...he will get heat for being alive too long (which has now started)...he needed to make a play fast in order to give himself cover when that heat starts to come down

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Poli

It worries me that he seems to be defending Telle. I just don't trust Telle at all at this point and yet he seems certain that Telle is good. One of us has to be wrong.

Re-reading posts as I'm doing a vote count. I think I've been in a spot where I've always felt there was a better candidate than Telle. The only spot where I've "defended" her is that I took her explanation on the NTN business on Day 1 at face value, rather than suggesting some kind of elaborate bluff was going on.

saldana · 05-18-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

mmhmm opening night - you haven't been participating in the OT thread on it? or are you mocking me?

I'm slowly coming around on it - going to see it again this week with a friend and we'll see what i think then

not mocking at all...couldnt tell you the last time I went to OT..too many asshats running loose...i will check it out (i didnt go until 2nd show on day 2)

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

How early do you usually prefer to vote?

I prefer to vote as early as I have an idea who to vote for

its not like you cant unvote if your wrong

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

lets look at what he actually did.

he shot a vote out at 20 minutes into the day and used a very nebulous defense about why. he could easily have been taking advantage of the "no information about your role" mechanic as a means of a cover.

he backpedaled away from his own vote the entire day, saying he would like the other vote for EF better...i wish i had more time to go back and check the timings of his various statements...was he covering his tail by agreeing with the EF votes after they already started to gain some momentum?

he claims that the outcome of the day was advantagous to not only him, but the village as a whole, but we have yet to see anything to validate that point

on day 2, i said i detected the manipulations of a very good wolf...my initial thoughts were it was Hoops (which it still may be), but my short list included Lathum, Barkeep, and Poli. of those, barkeep is obviously out, but I think you will agree that this strategy is well within Lathums vaunted wolfy skillset.

as to why would he be so daring on day 2...he knows he needs to make a move to get in the COT early...he will get heat for being alive too long (which has now started)...he needed to make a play fast in order to give himself cover when that heat starts to come down

if anyone can read lathum it's his BFF!

Passacaglia · 05-18-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

vote telle

Geez clap, you voted 14 minutes before deadline just on Day 2! At least try to be a little less obvious with your lies next time!

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

not mocking at all...couldnt tell you the last time I went to OT..too many asshats running loose...i will check it out (i didnt go until 2nd show on day 2)

we can discuss via IM @ some point too - once this is over. basically i felt very BLAH about it right after but i am slowly coming around, and i think repeated viewings will help that.

i guess i figure it's better than nothing.

claphamsa · 05-18-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Geez clap, you voted 14 minutes before deadline just on Day 2! At least try to be a little less obvious with your lies next time!

This is the exact reason I prefer to vote early! I had no idea who to vote for and it was a runaway on2 guys I wasnt convinced were worth voting for. Which I stated very clearly at the time.

Seriously pass, your way too good of a player to this shitty of a job of railroading me

Lathum · 05-18-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

as to why would he be so daring on day 2...he knows he needs to make a move to get in the COT early...he will get heat for being alive too long (which has now started)...he needed to make a play fast in order to give himself cover when that heat starts to come down

so what you are saying is I make a crazy over the top play on day 2 that would likely earn me a seer scan, just to try to get myself into a COT because if I stay alive to long people are just going to assume i am a wolf?

So the best way for me to gain trust is to make a play calling attention to myself, in a game where I can't say why I made that play or what benefit the play gives us, on the second day.

Right, makes perfect sense.

hoopsguy · 05-18-2009, 11:33 AM

I had an earlier post where I noted that Telle, Jackal, and Lerriuqs were the common names across distrust lists from me, Autumn, and Lathum.

Then DT posts this a little later:

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

common sense and the lists of those posted indicates that we should prolly make it between telle and jackal i thought?

i have yet to do my analysis - it'll prolly have to wait till my 1pm lunchtime

FWIW, this is another point that is drawing me towards Lerriuqs rather than the candidates DT mentioned. I've already suggested that I'm pretty concerned with DT's play, and the fact that he leaves Lerriuqs out of the discussion while bringing up Telle and Jackal struck me as odd.

05-18-2009, 10:47 AM	#2051
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	omg...really...the PB thing again? Lathum's quick vote with no comment made me think that he had some type of inside information so i moved to back him up. and i did a lot of good public thinking on the EF thing (people even said as much at the time). if you want to lynch me, go ahead, it's no big loss. if lathum's been criticized and really can't put his money where his mouth is, then there's no point in voting for hoops to try to see if that theory of mine is correct at this juncture. UNVOTE HOOPSGUY __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

05-18-2009, 10:51 AM	#2054
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so basically you're suspicious of everyone who voted early for Lathum? That just screams classic "deflect attention away from me" to me right now __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

05-18-2009, 10:59 AM	#2067
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	and had i realized you were criticized and unable to speak lathum obviously i would have realized that my plan wasn't going to work...so i unvoted...what's your point? __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

05-18-2009, 11:15 AM	#2087
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote passacaglia __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-18-2009, 11:15 AM	#2088
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	happy __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-18-2009, 10:53 AM	#2056
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I haven't been able to follow this morning very well, but my list is the people who followed Lathum's vote for PB, probably to get the bandwagon going on him instead of EF -- that's DT, hoops, and clap.

05-18-2009, 10:53 AM	#2057
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Telle, the reason I've dropped off Saldana is because I don't think he is as dumb a wolf as his voting record and play up to this point suggest. If, after the game it turns out that he is, then hopefully we can have a good laugh together over these posts. I did vote for him yesterday when it seemed that my candidate (The Jackal) wasn't going to get the votes. So I voted Saldana to try and save PB and because I thought you were a smidge more likely good than evil. I obviously cannot speak for others, but Saldana has one of the worst voting records in the game. He has also not disputed that point. But I would like to see him start bringing some more to the table in terms of analysis because I've seen him play some very good games in the past combining gut/logic. I'm going to put a vote down at this point because I would like to see us start to dial up the pressure a little bit on a couple of people. VOTE LERRIUQS

05-18-2009, 10:57 AM	#2064
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Clap, what candidates stand out for you right now? Since people are speculating that you are staying out of the line of fire with your votes, here is a chance for you to help shape the voting for today.

05-18-2009, 11:03 AM	#2075
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	thanks for thinking i am not as stupid as i seem Hoops i actually do have a thought....not saying i firmly believe it, but it is a thought worth throwing out there. there was a lot of disbelief on day 2 regarding EF because he was criticized on N1...people didnt think that the wolves would waste their criticism on one of there own...EF of course turned up wolf. now it is N3, and they have another shot to criticize someone. seeing how many people didnt think they would do it the first time, would it not be an interesting ploy to criticize one of their own again as a means of buying trust? half of us didnt think they would waste it once...how many of us wont think they will waste it twice? again, not saying i am even sold on my own idea, but it is food for thought.

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