Worst President in your lifetime?

Kodos · 04-23-2010, 10:41 AM

I think we can all agree that there just isn't enough political discussion here at FOFC. With that in mind, who was the worst President in your lifetime?

Poll to come.

claphamsa · 04-23-2010, 10:44 AM

No one will ever beat Bush Jr.

Kodos · 04-23-2010, 10:51 AM

ACCCK! Can't believe I typoed Reagan's name....

DanGarion · 04-23-2010, 10:53 AM

Amazing, someone actually thinks that Obama has done the worst in just over a year of being in office... That's as bad as someone saying he's the best in just over a year as well...

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-23-2010, 10:55 AM

I guess technically I was alive for a bit of Carter, wish I could change the pick.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 04-23-2010, 10:57 AM

this thread's going to get ugly quick.

DanGarion · 04-23-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

this thread's going to get ugly quick.

With the voting I'm seeing, it's already ugly.

CU Tiger · 04-23-2010, 11:00 AM

I am going to need a few years before I can answer.....barring a miraculous turn around of saving baby seals, curing cancer and aids single handedly, and re freezing the polar ice caps, I think the answer is smoking a cigarette right now.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 04-23-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I am going to need a few years before I can answer.....barring a miraculous turn around of saving baby seals, curing cancer and aids single handedly, and re freezing the polar ice caps, I think the answer is smoking a cigarette right now.

I thought he quit smoking, no?

Noop · 04-23-2010, 11:09 AM

LOL @ anyone voting for Obama. MBBF and Vex how are you able to judge when he hasn't even finished his term.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 04-23-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

LOL @ anyone voting for Obama. MBBF and Vex how are you able to judge when he hasn't even finished his term.

I actually flipped a coin between Obama and Carter. Obama was unlucky enough to win the coin flip.

lungs · 04-23-2010, 11:38 AM

From my selfish point of view, easily Ronald Reagan.

The guy was a horrible President for agriculture. That food came from the store was about all he knew about ag.

Noop · 04-23-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I actually flipped a coin between Obama and Carter. Obama was unlucky enough to win the coin flip.

I think you need to talk to Lungs about selling this bullshit.

Chief Rum · 04-23-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I think you need to talk to Lungs about selling this bullshit.

lungs voted for Obama in the other thread as Best President. Just as bad as voting worst here. I doubt MizzouBBallFan's going to get much quality help in that direction (although lungs can certainly help him with the bullshit).

Arles · 04-23-2010, 12:05 PM

As bad as parts of Bush/Obama have been, I think people forget how the complete clusterf*ck the country was during Carter's term. When they create a "misery index" to measure how miserable people are during your presidency, I think you win this by default.

lungs · 04-23-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

lungs voted for Obama in the other thread as Best President. Just as bad as voting worst here. I doubt MizzouBBallFan's going to get much quality help in that direction (although lungs can certainly help him with the bullshit).

I didn't take the best President thread seriously, as I don't think we've had a truly great President in my lifetime so I voted for Obama to counteract the votes he gets for worst President in this thread

ISiddiqui · 04-23-2010, 12:34 PM

Easily Dubya. I was born in 1980, FWIW, so technically I had a bit of Carter, but George W. Bush was worse.

stevew · 04-23-2010, 12:36 PM

Anyone who isn't voting Carter is either young or naive. Stagflation ftl.

EagleFan · 04-23-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Anyone who isn't voting Carter is either young or naive. Stagflation ftl.

I could see a Carter vote easily enough but only counted Presidents that I felt old enough to really know the impact.

Reagan was good. Bush Sr. was merely okay. Clinton was good when he kept it in his pants. Bush Jr. was okay at times. Obama is leading us into communism so we have a "winner".

RainMaker · 04-23-2010, 12:51 PM

We have had some shitty ones in the last few decades, but how anyone could avoid voting for W is beyond me. He was able to turn a suprlus into massive deficit, start two endless and pointless wars, while finishing his term with one of the country's worst financial meltdowns in history.

I would rank from best to worst in my lifetime as:

1) Clinton
2) George H.W. Bush
3) Reagan
4) George W. Bush

I think H.W gets a bad rap. He really took over at a shitty time and made some promises he couldn't keep. But I thought he was smart, knew how to handle a war, and cushioned the blow of a bigger mess.

As for Obama, it's impossible to judge him. His policies have not had any impact yet on the country and won't be known for years. Those voting for him are not playing with a full deck.

larrymcg421 · 04-23-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I could see a Carter vote easily enough but only counted Presidents that I felt old enough to really know the impact.

Reagan was good. Bush Sr. was merely okay. Clinton was good when he kept it in his pants. Bush Jr. was okay at times. Obama is leading us into communism so we have a "winner".

Oh I forgot that Obama was leading us into communism. Can I change my vote now?

Subby · 04-23-2010, 01:03 PM

Carter and W are a tie for me. Both were ineffectual little nothings.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 04-23-2010, 01:03 PM

this thread needs more debate. i'll start.

my political opinions are vastly more nuanced and informed than yours. furthermore:

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M GO BLUE!!! · 04-23-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

this thread needs more debate. i'll start.

my political opinions are vastly more nuanced and informed than yours. furthermore:

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I didn't know Janet Reno was a Browns fan.

hhiipp · 04-23-2010, 01:29 PM

Crap I accidently voted for H.W. Bush when I meant to hit W.

ISiddiqui · 04-23-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Anyone who isn't voting Carter is either young or naive. Stagflation ftl.

At the very least Carter didn't start any pointless wars... so he has that over W.

TroyF · 04-23-2010, 01:30 PM

It takes a lot of time to fairly judge a president. I voted for Nixon, not necessarily because of policy, but because of other reasons.

In 1975, Nixon would have won a poll like this in a landslide. Now many historians think he was a decent president. Ronnie is on a vast majorities top 10 list now. Up to 1996, historians voted him as low as the 25th ranked president of all time.

We won't know who was best/worst until long after we are all dead.

molson · 04-23-2010, 01:35 PM

Ya, Nixon's kind of a sleeper in this poll. History has been pretty kind to him.

Autumn · 04-23-2010, 01:37 PM

OH NOES! COMMUNISM!

It's funny to remember the liberals screaming about Fascism during GW's reign, and now listen to the screaming about communism. Sure, political debate would be a lot easier if we lived in a place where things were actually that drastic, and we didn't have to discuss nuances and facts. But can we stop, as a society, with the theatrics?

boberot · 04-23-2010, 01:38 PM

Maybe Carter was ineffective, but W was almost flat-out evil, and unbelievably destructive, in my humble opinion.

DanGarion · 04-23-2010, 01:40 PM

Clinton is the reason there is so much dissension between the parties nowadays anyway...

Mizzou B-ball fan · 04-23-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I think you need to talk to Lungs about selling this bullshit.

For the record, I design and test the government systems that take your tax dollars and pays them out in the form of subsidies to lungs for his milk. So there's already an indirect exchange of BS.

Pumpy Tudors · 04-23-2010, 01:47 PM

I don't know how to judge whether a President is good or not. They don't have stats like on-base percentage or goals against average or anything to measure them on. Hell, we can't even pick something like how many championships they won. This is pretty much the same as asking who the worst main character on "Cheers" was.

So I'm voting for Kodos just because he started this.

lordscarlet · 04-23-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Ya, Nixon's kind of a sleeper in this poll. History has been pretty kind to him.

I don't think he's so much a sleeper as he doesn't qualify in a lot of people's "in my lifetime." And probably a few others that were too young to really even think about him. The poll is not "worst president of the last century"

Swaggs · 04-23-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I didn't know Janet Reno was a Browns fan.

I didn't know that Elton John liked football!

path12 · 04-23-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by boberot

Maybe Carter was ineffective, but W was almost flat-out evil, and unbelievably destructive, in my humble opinion.

I'm not going to go so far as to call him evil, but otherwise I agree with this. I don't think history is going to be kind to the aughts in general.

My first presidential vote was in 1980. Despite my liberal nature I was unable to vote for Carter. I went third party.

RainMaker · 04-23-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I could see a Carter vote easily enough but only counted Presidents that I felt old enough to really know the impact.

Reagan was good. Bush Sr. was merely okay. Clinton was good when he kept it in his pants. Bush Jr. was okay at times. Obama is leading us into communism so we have a "winner".

You should probably learn what communism is first.

GrantDawg · 04-23-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

You should probably learn what communism is first.

Communism is whatever Glen Beck says it is.

Pumpy Tudors · 04-23-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

My first presidential vote was in 1980. Despite my liberal nature I was unable to vote for Carter. I went third party.

How'd that work out for you?

DanGarion · 04-23-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I don't know how to judge whether a President is good or not. They don't have stats like on-base percentage or goals against average or anything to measure them on. Hell, we can't even pick something like how many championships they won. This is pretty much the same as asking who the worst main character on "Cheers" was.

So I'm voting for Kodos just because he started this.

You need to check out Presidential Prospectus.com.

Pumpy Tudors · 04-23-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

You need to check out Presidential Prospectus.com.

PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN

path12 · 04-23-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

How'd that work out for you?

I didn't vote for a winning Presidential candidate until 2008. So I'm on a roll!

Pumpy Tudors · 04-23-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I didn't vote for a winning Presidential candidate until 2008. So I'm on a roll!

Keep plucking that chicken.

kcchief19 · 04-23-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Clinton is the reason there is so much dissension between the parties nowadays anyway...

We might agree but for very different reasons. Politics has never been civil but the bloodthirsty partisanship of today was born in the 1994 midterm elections when the GOP ran a vicious anti-Clinton campaign that really changed the tone of politics. In his second term, the hatred of the far right due to Clinton's poor personal choices led to a level of attack we hadn't seen in American politics in a while, and that gave way to the Rise of Karl Rove. On a visciousness scale, Clinton isn't even in the ballpark of the what's happening today.

As for my vote, I probably should have gone with Nixon but he actually had some victories before his poor personal choices did him in. Carter was a sorry president but the Camp David Accords remain the single greatest Middle East peace accomplishment ever. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place between Iran and the economy, and I'm not sure there was a way out of either one.

W however took the cake for managing to do what no one else has ever done ... fuck up both the economy and foreign relations. Even Hoover didn't do both of those.

path12 · 04-23-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

We might agree but for very different reasons. Politics has never been civil but the bloodthirsty partisanship of today was born in the 1994 midterm elections when the GOP ran a vicious anti-Clinton campaign that really changed the tone of politics. In his second term, the hatred of the far right due to Clinton's poor personal choices led to a level of attack we hadn't seen in American politics in a while, and that gave way to the Rise of Karl Rove.

Karl Rove wasn't possible without Lee Atwater.

RainMaker · 04-23-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Clinton is the reason there is so much dissension between the parties nowadays anyway...

I don't know about that. There has always been heavy dissension amongst parties and politicians. In fact, it might even be a bit more civil these days compared to the times when Andrew Jackson's wife was being called a whore by opposing politicians.

I think what's changed is technology. Whether it's the internet, cable "news" or talk radio. The fringe element of politics has been able to find a voice and been given credibility by these forms of media. Ann Coulter would be seen as the crazy chick in town in the past, but now is given a platform that makes her look like a legitimate voice for a party. So when breaking news happens, she's called on to give analysis. 30 years ago she'd be sitting in a lawn chair in her yard yelling at the garbage truck while the town laughed.

Greyroofoo · 04-23-2010, 05:41 PM

I think politics were a lot more bloodthirsty circa 1860

DanGarion · 04-23-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

We might agree but for very different reasons. Politics has never been civil but the bloodthirsty partisanship of today was born in the 1994 midterm elections when the GOP ran a vicious anti-Clinton campaign that really changed the tone of politics. In his second term, the hatred of the far right due to Clinton's poor personal choices led to a level of attack we hadn't seen in American politics in a while, and that gave way to the Rise of Karl Rove. On a visciousness scale, Clinton isn't even in the ballpark of the what's happening today..

That's just about exactly what I was talking about. Although I blamed the Clinton's, since it was their stupid personal choices with Whitewater, Lewinsky, etc that led to it.

Buccaneer · 04-23-2010, 08:18 PM

Easily: Jimmy Carter.

And yes, these are all of the presidents in my lifetime.

flere-imsaho · 04-23-2010, 08:55 PM

Nixon is before my lifetime, otherwise he'd have to be a serious contender.

Carter wasn't a good President, but not all of his failures were of his own making.

I think it would be hard to argue against W. Budget surpluses to huge deficits and debt. Booming economy to Great Recession. Stock bubble. Housing Bubble. Deregulation of the financial sector and a stated unwillingness to investigate obvious cases of fraud on Wall Street that led directly to the financial system collapse. Two unresolved wars, one of which was based on false presences.

Simply put, W consistently either made bad decisions, or chose a course of inaction, that had catastrophic consequences, and was equally unprepared to deal with those consequences.

View Poll Results: Who was the worst President in your lifetime thus far?
Dwight Eisenhower	0	0%
John Kennedy	0	0%
Lyndon Johnson	0	0%
Richard Nixon	4	2.11%
Gerald Ford	1	0.53%
Jimmy Carter	44	23.16%
Ronald Reagen	7	3.68%
George H.W. Bush	4	2.11%
Bill Clinton	2	1.05%
George W. Bush	105	55.26%
Barack Obama	22	11.58%
Other ( I am ancient, like Bucc)	1	0.53%
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

04-23-2010, 10:44 AM	#2
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	No one will ever beat Bush Jr. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

04-23-2010, 10:51 AM	#3
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	ACCCK! Can't believe I typoed Reagan's name.... __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

04-23-2010, 10:53 AM	#4
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Amazing, someone actually thinks that Obama has done the worst in just over a year of being in office... That's as bad as someone saying he's the best in just over a year as well... __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO! Last edited by DanGarion : 04-23-2010 at 10:54 AM.

04-23-2010, 10:55 AM	#5
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I guess technically I was alive for a bit of Carter, wish I could change the pick. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-23-2010, 10:57 AM	#6
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	this thread's going to get ugly quick.

04-23-2010, 11:00 AM	#8
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	I am going to need a few years before I can answer.....barring a miraculous turn around of saving baby seals, curing cancer and aids single handedly, and re freezing the polar ice caps, I think the answer is smoking a cigarette right now.

04-23-2010, 11:09 AM	#10
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	LOL @ anyone voting for Obama. MBBF and Vex how are you able to judge when he hasn't even finished his term. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

04-23-2010, 11:38 AM	#12
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	From my selfish point of view, easily Ronald Reagan. The guy was a horrible President for agriculture. That food came from the store was about all he knew about ag.

04-23-2010, 12:05 PM	#15
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	As bad as parts of Bush/Obama have been, I think people forget how the complete clusterf*ck the country was during Carter's term. When they create a "misery index" to measure how miserable people are during your presidency, I think you win this by default. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

04-23-2010, 12:34 PM	#17
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Easily Dubya. I was born in 1980, FWIW, so technically I had a bit of Carter, but George W. Bush was worse. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-23-2010, 12:36 PM	#18
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Anyone who isn't voting Carter is either young or naive. Stagflation ftl.

04-23-2010, 12:51 PM	#20
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	We have had some shitty ones in the last few decades, but how anyone could avoid voting for W is beyond me. He was able to turn a suprlus into massive deficit, start two endless and pointless wars, while finishing his term with one of the country's worst financial meltdowns in history. I would rank from best to worst in my lifetime as: 1) Clinton 2) George H.W. Bush 3) Reagan 4) George W. Bush I think H.W gets a bad rap. He really took over at a shitty time and made some promises he couldn't keep. But I thought he was smart, knew how to handle a war, and cushioned the blow of a bigger mess. As for Obama, it's impossible to judge him. His policies have not had any impact yet on the country and won't be known for years. Those voting for him are not playing with a full deck. Last edited by RainMaker : 04-23-2010 at 12:51 PM.

04-23-2010, 01:03 PM	#22
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Carter and W are a tie for me. Both were ineffectual little nothings. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

04-23-2010, 01:29 PM	#25
hhiipp College Prospect Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: OH	Crap I accidently voted for H.W. Bush when I meant to hit W.

04-23-2010, 01:30 PM	#27
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	It takes a lot of time to fairly judge a president. I voted for Nixon, not necessarily because of policy, but because of other reasons. In 1975, Nixon would have won a poll like this in a landslide. Now many historians think he was a decent president. Ronnie is on a vast majorities top 10 list now. Up to 1996, historians voted him as low as the 25th ranked president of all time. We won't know who was best/worst until long after we are all dead.

04-23-2010, 01:35 PM	#28
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Ya, Nixon's kind of a sleeper in this poll. History has been pretty kind to him.

04-23-2010, 01:37 PM	#29
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	OH NOES! COMMUNISM! It's funny to remember the liberals screaming about Fascism during GW's reign, and now listen to the screaming about communism. Sure, political debate would be a lot easier if we lived in a place where things were actually that drastic, and we didn't have to discuss nuances and facts. But can we stop, as a society, with the theatrics?

04-23-2010, 01:38 PM	#30
boberot High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Western NY	Maybe Carter was ineffective, but W was almost flat-out evil, and unbelievably destructive, in my humble opinion.

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DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Clinton is the reason there is so much dissension between the parties nowadays anyway... __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

04-23-2010, 01:47 PM	#33
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I don't know how to judge whether a President is good or not. They don't have stats like on-base percentage or goals against average or anything to measure them on. Hell, we can't even pick something like how many championships they won. This is pretty much the same as asking who the worst main character on "Cheers" was. So I'm voting for Kodos just because he started this. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

04-23-2010, 05:41 PM	#47
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I think politics were a lot more bloodthirsty circa 1860

04-23-2010, 08:18 PM	#49
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Easily: Jimmy Carter. And yes, these are all of the presidents in my lifetime.

04-23-2010, 08:55 PM	#50
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Nixon is before my lifetime, otherwise he'd have to be a serious contender. Carter wasn't a good President, but not all of his failures were of his own making. I think it would be hard to argue against W. Budget surpluses to huge deficits and debt. Booming economy to Great Recession. Stock bubble. Housing Bubble. Deregulation of the financial sector and a stated unwillingness to investigate obvious cases of fraud on Wall Street that led directly to the financial system collapse. Two unresolved wars, one of which was based on false presences. Simply put, W consistently either made bad decisions, or chose a course of inaction, that had catastrophic consequences, and was equally unprepared to deal with those consequences.

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