Fuck Ted Ginn

larrymcg421 · 10-25-2009, 07:06 PM

That is all.

DaddyTorgo · 10-25-2009, 07:10 PM

he is pretty horrible

Izulde · 10-25-2009, 07:14 PM

Fuck the whole team for giving up that huge lead.

Lathum · 10-25-2009, 07:15 PM

Players the Dolphins could have taken who were taken shortly after Ginn

DPatrick Willis
Darelle Revis
Leon Hall
Aaron Ross
Dwayne Bowe
Anthony Gonzalez

larrymcg421 · 10-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde

Fuck the whole team for giving up that huge lead.

Certainly, but Ginn has got to go. There is no reason he should be out there. One long pass against the Jets doesn't excuse the total embarrassment he is at WR.

Izulde · 10-25-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Certainly, but Ginn has got to go. There is no reason he should be out there. One long pass against the Jets doesn't excuse the total embarrassment he is at WR.

Oh I agree absolutely. Hell, Bess as a starter would be better than Ginn.

Bad-example · 10-25-2009, 07:24 PM

If you guys really hated Ted Ginn you would put "Fuck Ted Ginn" in giant red letters in your sig.

TheOhioStateUniversity · 10-25-2009, 08:03 PM

Now, now, the Browns will take him

Groundhog · 10-25-2009, 08:17 PM

Dolphins should've checked the OVR rating drop before trying to switch him from an Athlete to WR.

RedKingGold · 10-25-2009, 08:19 PM

Does he work at ESPN now?

aran · 10-25-2009, 09:12 PM

Ted Ginn only looked reasonably good in when he was wearing the bunny ears or that ref shirt.

MizzouRah · 10-25-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOhioStateUniversity

Now, now, the Browns will take him

or the Rams...

M GO BLUE!!! · 10-25-2009, 10:02 PM

Doesn't Cam need a WR that will suit his offense in Baltimore? As a punt returner his value is even greater. Surely a hall-of-fame PR if there ever was one.

Tigercat · 10-25-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Doesn't Cam need a WR that will suit his offense in Baltimore? As a punt returner his value is even greater. Surely a hall-of-fame PR if there ever was one.

He's from a hall of fame family, that's for sure.

Greyroofoo · 10-25-2009, 10:06 PM

I wonder if the Raider's have inquired about him.

M GO BLUE!!! · 10-25-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

He's from a hall of fame family, that's for sure.

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?

DeToxRox · 10-25-2009, 10:07 PM

I'd condone a trade for Ted Ginn if it gave Michigan access to Glenville.

Tigercat · 10-25-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?

Ted Ginn's Dad would give the Browns everything he has. Cleveland's fans would enjoy watching Ginn's father watch Ginn play for a long, long time as a Brown.

Chief Rum · 10-26-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Players the Dolphins could have taken who were taken shortly after Ginn

DPatrick Willis
Darelle Revis
Leon Hall
Aaron Ross
Dwayne Bowe
Anthony Gonzalez

In context of the history of complaints on the Ginn pick, I find it funny no Brady Quinn on this list.

Kodos · 10-26-2009, 12:49 AM

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

Rizon · 10-26-2009, 02:11 AM

Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad-example

If you guys really hated Ted Ginn you would put "Fuck Ted Ginn" in giant red letters in your sig.

Rizon · 10-26-2009, 02:11 AM

Done now?

Rizon · 10-26-2009, 02:12 AM

Signature fail?

Poli · 10-26-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Cameron. His dad was a coach as well.

Balldog · 10-26-2009, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'd condone a trade for Ted Ginn if it gave Michigan access to Glenville.

Dream on.

Bad-example · 10-26-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rizon

Done

ShaneTheMaster · 10-26-2009, 10:51 AM

I must say I am a HUGE Ted Ginn fan.

Sincerely,
Saints fan

RomaGoth · 10-26-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

I think he was actually released. So, the Dolphins got nothing for Welker, and then got nothing when they drafted Ginn.

Two nothings for free. Very nice, Miami!!

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-26-2009, 11:58 AM

No, Welker was traded.

Second and seventh I believe.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2009, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

Tom Brady would like to thank you for that

Kodos · 10-26-2009, 12:09 PM

Welker was like the one bright spot on our offense. And then they trade him away. To our arch rivals.

jeff061 · 10-26-2009, 01:02 PM

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

Kodos · 10-26-2009, 01:20 PM

The former Dolphins front office just radiated competence.

I hate having to root against Welker.

Noop · 10-26-2009, 01:22 PM

It's hard to watch football.

Samdari · 10-27-2009, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

Some interesting stats:
Ginn's first two years: 1210 yards
Anothy Gonzalez: 1240
Welker: 1121 (ignores his 2004 season, 14 gp, 0 receptions.)

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-27-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samdari

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

I'm not sure this is at all accurate. Most NE fans I know saw how dangerous he was with Miami and were glad to have him.

Also, he wasn't used in Miami nearly as much as Ginn has, so it makes sense that Ginn has outgained him.

stevew · 10-27-2009, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

Something like that. Although I think it was at least 800K or so more.

Samdari · 10-27-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I'm not sure this is at all accurate. Most NE fans I know saw how dangerous he was with Miami and were glad to have him.

I think that's revisionist history. A 2nd round pick for a guy who was a special teamer/4th WR is quite a lot.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-27-2009, 08:37 AM

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

stevew · 10-27-2009, 08:45 AM

2007 Compensation Salary

1st & 3rd Round Pick $2,350,000
1st Round Pick $1,850,000
2nd Round Pick $1,300,000
Players Original Draft Round $850,000

fantom1979 · 10-27-2009, 08:50 AM

Better trade? Welker to the Pats or Roy Williams to the Cowboys?

Passacaglia · 10-27-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

I recall Dolphins fans being pretty pissed about the trade back then, too.

albionmoonlight · 10-27-2009, 09:12 AM

I wonder why the NFL does not do more "our guy with potential who has not worked out" for "your guy with potential who has not worked out" trades. Brady Quinn for Vince Young for example. Or Ginn for . . . I don't know, maybe Craig Davis? Is he even still in the league?

Point is, once you figure that a guy has demonstrated that he will not work in your system/for your coach/for your fans, he has very little value to you. Why not try and flip that into a 5% chance that you can turn around another team's problem with a change of scenery? Isn't that better than just letting him quietly leave as a FA in two years?

Big Fo · 10-27-2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

2007 Compensation Salary

1st & 3rd Round Pick $2,350,000
1st Round Pick $1,850,000
2nd Round Pick $1,300,000
Players Original Draft Round $850,000

Just another gem of a decision by the old regime letting him go for a R2 and a R7.

Apathetic Lurker · 10-27-2009, 09:46 AM

As a Bills fan, I applaud the decision of the Miami "brain" trust to draft Ted Ginn.

As a ff team owner I have 3 Miami players on my roster, none named Ginn

larrymcg421 · 10-27-2009, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samdari

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

Some interesting stats:
Ginn's first two years: 1210 yards
Anothy Gonzalez: 1240
Welker: 1121 (ignores his 2004 season, 14 gp, 0 receptions.)

Yeah, but...

Games Started
Ginn - 23
Gonzalez - 11
Welker - 3

QuikSand · 10-27-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I wonder why the NFL does not do more "our guy with potential who has not worked out" for "your guy with potential who has not worked out" trades. Brady Quinn for Vince Young for example. Or Ginn for . . . I don't know, maybe Craig Davis? Is he even still in the league?

Point is, once you figure that a guy has demonstrated that he will not work in your system/for your coach/for your fans, he has very little value to you. Why not try and flip that into a 5% chance that you can turn around another team's problem with a change of scenery? Isn't that better than just letting him quietly leave as a FA in two years?

I might be able to pull these names correctly without digging... I'm thinking John Avery for Marcus Nash? I agree, you'd think this might make sense more often than we see it.

DaddyTorgo · 10-27-2009, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

some gems in that thread - like this one by flere

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread)

QuikSand · 10-27-2009, 12:18 PM

By the way...

(1) Fuck Ted Ginn

(2) Isn't the ultimate punchline here that he isn't even a full time return man for the team? Good grief.

DaddyTorgo · 10-27-2009, 12:21 PM

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Players the Dolphins could have taken who were taken shortly after Ginn DPatrick Willis Darelle Revis Leon Hall Aaron Ross Dwayne Bowe Anthony Gonzalez

10-25-2009, 07:24 PM	#7
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	If you guys really hated Ted Ginn you would put "Fuck Ted Ginn" in giant red letters in your sig.

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RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Does he work at ESPN now?

10-25-2009, 09:12 PM	#11
aran High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA	Ted Ginn only looked reasonably good in when he was wearing the bunny ears or that ref shirt.

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M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Doesn't Cam need a WR that will suit his offense in Baltimore? As a punt returner his value is even greater. Surely a hall-of-fame PR if there ever was one.

10-25-2009, 10:06 PM	#15
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I wonder if the Raider's have inquired about him.

10-25-2009, 10:07 PM	#17
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I'd condone a trade for Ted Ginn if it gave Michigan access to Glenville.

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jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice. Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right? __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 10-26-2009 at 01:03 PM.

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing. And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 10-27-2009 at 09:11 AM.

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fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Better trade? Welker to the Pats or Roy Williams to the Cowboys?

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albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I wonder why the NFL does not do more "our guy with potential who has not worked out" for "your guy with potential who has not worked out" trades. Brady Quinn for Vince Young for example. Or Ginn for . . . I don't know, maybe Craig Davis? Is he even still in the league? Point is, once you figure that a guy has demonstrated that he will not work in your system/for your coach/for your fans, he has very little value to you. Why not try and flip that into a 5% chance that you can turn around another team's problem with a change of scenery? Isn't that better than just letting him quietly leave as a FA in two years?

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Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	As a Bills fan, I applaud the decision of the Miami "brain" trust to draft Ted Ginn. As a ff team owner I have 3 Miami players on my roster, none named Ginn

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QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	By the way... (1) Fuck Ted Ginn (2) Isn't the ultimate punchline here that he isn't even a full time return man for the team? Good grief.

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