The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Page 108

mckerney · 07-27-2017, 03:53 PM

MJ Lee on Twitter: "Republican senators are openly warning that the House better not pass the Senate's skinny repeal bill."

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Republican senators are openly warning that the House better not pass the Senate's skinny repeal bill.

If only there were some way for Senators to be able to prevent the House from passing the skinny repeal into law...

RainMaker · 07-27-2017, 04:17 PM

This is quite an interview. If the White House needs to create distractions, this guy is going to play the jester.

Anthony Scaramucci Called Me to Unload About White House Leakers, Reince Priebus, and Steve Bannon | The New Yorker

Ben E Lou · 07-27-2017, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

This is quite an interview. If the White House needs to create distractions, this guy is going to play the jester.

Anthony Scaramucci Called Me to Unload About White House Leakers, Reince Priebus, and Steve Bannon | The New Yorker

I call BS. Bannon doesn't look like he can touch his own toes.

cuervo72 · 07-27-2017, 04:30 PM

Oxford comma.

JPhillips · 07-27-2017, 04:36 PM

The Senate looks like they'll pass a bill they wrote at lunch, but one they don't want to become law.

The House is gearing for fast track authority so that they could pass "something" in a day.

The President is excited to sign whatever comes to him.

This should all work out well.

Thomkal · 07-27-2017, 04:46 PM

They had seven years to come up with their version of healthcare, and they are going with one they wrote at lunch?

Easy Mac · 07-27-2017, 05:02 PM

Am I the only one who vacillates between unending dread for our world and shit-tastical horrorscope my daughter will be stuck with, and the "holy shit this is fucking amazing, the President's spokesperson said his chief advisor sucks his own dick!"

Like I want to enjoy how fucking incompetent these shitbags are, but the I remember I can't do anything about it because I live in a backwoods state in a dumb country and I get depressed. I mean, I've gained 10 pounds since the election, and it's not muscle.

RainMaker · 07-27-2017, 05:07 PM

There are benefits to it. Much easier to make money in a room full of morons than if everyone was intelligent. Just enjoy the theater.

JPhillips · 07-27-2017, 06:55 PM

The absolute best ending to Scaramucci is a Bannon filed HR complaint for a hostile work environment.

miami_fan · 07-27-2017, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

They had seven years to come up with their version of healthcare, and they going with one they wrote at lunch?

To paraphrase the great American philosopher Mike Tyson, everyone has a version of healthcare til they get punched in the mouth.

JPhillips · 07-27-2017, 09:15 PM

I'm stealing this, but OMG, yes, in the Trump movie Ron Jeremy has to play Bannon.

RainMaker · 07-27-2017, 10:36 PM

Sounds like they may have the votes. Republicans will now own healthcare after this. Good luck.

kingfc22 · 07-27-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Sounds like they may have the votes. Republicans will now own healthcare after this. Good luck.

The lunch paper napkin is back in style now.

RainMaker · 07-28-2017, 12:19 AM

Pass. https://t.co/U4rliFIyv4
— PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) July 27, 2017

bronconick · 07-28-2017, 12:31 AM

McCain voted no, killing the "skinny" repeal.

bhlloy · 07-28-2017, 12:41 AM

Classy brain cancer tweet coming in 3,2,1....

bhlloy · 07-28-2017, 12:44 AM

DOLA - has there ever been two branches of the same party desperately trying to screw each other over and blame each other for legislation they both wanted to pas but didn't want to get the blame for before?

kingfc22 · 07-28-2017, 12:46 AM

Shut up Mitch. You and your cronies had seven years to put a plan together.

RainMaker · 07-28-2017, 12:49 AM

Flake and Heller had to put their vote on record too. That sort of fucks them for the next election. Maybe Capito too.

Izulde · 07-28-2017, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Flake and Heller had to put their vote on record too. That sort of fucks them for the next election. Maybe Capito too.

Yeah, Heller's been getting a lot of heat here. If his opposition in primary and/or general play it right, he's toast.

mckerney · 07-28-2017, 01:53 AM

So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2017

Chief Rum · 07-28-2017, 04:02 AM

As I have said before, there are some things I don't like about Obamacare. But getting rid of it and replacing it with a worse system is not the way to go about getting rid of it.

I'm personally not sure half of Trump voters understand why they are against Obamacare, other than Trump telling them so.

CrescentMoonie · 07-28-2017, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

As I have said before, there are some things I don't like about Obamacare. But getting rid of it and replacing it with a worse system is not the way to go about getting rid of it.

I'm personally not sure half of Trump voters understand why they are against Obamacare, other than Trump telling them so.

The rest know they're against it because it's named after a black guy who is probably a muslim. When facts are irrelevant, so are details.

albionmoonlight · 07-28-2017, 07:08 AM

So, wait. When you are running for president, you shouldn't make fun of a Senator in your own party for his war service? I'm so confused.

PilotMan · 07-28-2017, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So, wait. When you are running for president, you shouldn't make fun of a Senator in your own party for his war service? I'm so confused.

Didn't stop my pow dad from voting for him. Couldn't believe that. He had some rationalization for why it didn't apply to him. Either way, Trump voters will look past anything to keep supporting him.

Easy Mac · 07-28-2017, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So, wait. When you are running for president, you shouldn't make fun of a Senator in your own party for his war service? I'm so confused.

What's sad is that could actually be the reason he voted against something that was a horrible idea to begin with. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons I guess, but still a sad state of affairs.

Kodos · 07-28-2017, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So, wait. When you are running for president, you shouldn't make fun of a Senator in your own party for his war service? I'm so confused.

I know. It seems counterintuitive, doesn't it.

Thomkal · 07-28-2017, 08:50 AM

well who would have guessed it'd be McCain who would be the deciding vote on this-guess in the end he was a maverick. Guess words/tweets matter after all Trump. Wonder what he said in that last minute phone call with him?

Hope the Republicans and Democrats listen to McCain's speech about why he voted no and learn from it. Probably not though. Hope too that this signals the end of McConnell's time in leadership.

Kodos · 07-28-2017, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Hope the Republicans and Democrats listen to McCain's speech about why he voted no and learn from it. Probably not though. Hope too that this signals the end of McConnell's time in leadership.

Amen.

BYU 14 · 07-28-2017, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Shut up Mitch. You and your cronies had seven years to put a plan together.

Right, 7 years and the best idea they had was something cobbled together over lunch. Of all the Senators I have seen speak, he was the only one that stood up their pointing fingers like a petulant child.

SackAttack · 07-28-2017, 09:56 AM

Imma be cynical for a moment here, but I think McCain's speech was more after-the-fact justification.

I suspect what went down was more like this:

McCain returned to the Senate not for health care, but for the National Defense Authorization Act.

The quid pro quo McConnell was offering McCain in exchange for his vote on repeal was an agreement to take up the NDAA immediately after the health vote so he could shepherd that through passage before he had to leave again for treatment.

Rand Paul had some issues with the NDAA, was assured by McCain's office that those would be addressed via regular order, but that wasn't enough - he objected to the fast-tracking of the NDAA, which prevents the Senate from taking it up in time for McCain to do anything about it.

So McCain voted against repeal as a middle finger to Rand Paul.

I might be more inclined to take the Senator's words at face value if he hadn't said "I'm against this bill," then voted both to open discussion and then also voted for passage of the bill to which he objected (remember, the Senate tried three separate repeal tacks - straight repeal, repeal-and-replace-later, and "skinny" repeal).

Given that, I'm much more inclined to view McCain's skinny repeal vote as a revenge vote.

ISiddiqui · 07-28-2017, 10:00 AM

I actually think his yes vote on the first bill (BCRA) was with the knowledge it was going to fail and then he could go back and said he DID vote against Obamacare, but the other bills to take it away and not have a replacement would have caused chaos and he didn't think that was ok. I don't actually believe it was revenge vote at all.

SackAttack · 07-28-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I actually think his yes vote on the first bill (BCRA) was with the knowledge it was going to fail and then he could go back and said he DID vote against Obamacare, but the other bills to take it away and not have a replacement would have caused chaos and he didn't think that was ok. I don't actually believe it was revenge vote at all.

He's 80 years old and has a brain tumor. He won't face re-election until 2024.

I don't think he's looking far enough ahead to worry about positioning on whether he voted to repeal or not.

ISiddiqui · 07-28-2017, 10:23 AM

Do you think McCain doesn't think he won't make it to 2024? His ego isn't going to conceive otherwise.

Toddzilla · 07-28-2017, 10:29 AM

McCain probably wont make it to 2018, you think he gives a shit about reelection?

ISiddiqui · 07-28-2017, 10:32 AM

I'm betting that he thinks he's going to 'beat this'. If he didn't think he was going to last he'd probably resign his seat.

QuikSand · 07-28-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

He won't face re-election until 2024.

I'm not much of a math guy, but with six year terms*, I sense a problem here.

* - Unless there was a tweet throwing out that part of the Constitution, too

SackAttack · 07-28-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I'm not much of a math guy, but with six year terms*, I sense a problem here.

* - Unless there was a tweet throwing out that part of the Constitution, too

You're right. I really shouldn't attempt math before noon.

2022. I stand by my larger point, however.

JPhillips · 07-28-2017, 11:01 AM

Mitch has got to be one of the greatest opposition leaders in the history of the Senate, but he's been terrible in the majority. Not only did he lose, but his process didn't put any pressure on Joe Manchin. Given Manchin's personal politics, his states, demos, and his imminent reelection campaign, it's amazing that he never felt the slightest need to waver from his consistent opposition.

Jas_lov · 07-28-2017, 02:44 PM

McCain could also have been giving a middle finger to Trump. If Pence is President does he vote the same way?

mckerney · 07-28-2017, 04:13 PM

3 Chief of Staffs in less than 3 years of being President: Part of the reason why @BarackObama can't manage to pass his agenda.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2012

BYU 14 · 07-28-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

3 Chief of Staffs in less than 3 years of being President: Part of the reason why @BarackObama can't manage to pass his agenda.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2012

Twitter is better than snopes sometimes

mckerney · 07-28-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Twitter is better than snopes sometimes

Yep

He got Kiffined? https://t.co/8FA9OQjUWf
— Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) July 28, 2017

Thomkal · 07-28-2017, 04:27 PM

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I would like to thank Reince Priebus for his service and dedication to his country. We accomplished a lot together and I am proud of him! I am pleased to inform you that I have just named General/Secretary John F Kelly as White House Chief of Staff. He is a Great American....

CrescentMoonie · 07-28-2017, 04:30 PM

It's the White House edition of the Monty Python Upper Class Twit of the Year.

Thomkal · 07-28-2017, 04:31 PM

So how many top officials have been fired/quit now Donald? Yep everything working smoothly.

mckerney · 07-28-2017, 04:59 PM

Ryan-Priebus ally to me: next phase of Trump presidency will be warfare against GOP Congress
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017

Ryan-Priebus ally tells me Trump is moving toward "an independent WH" untethered from the Republican Party
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017

miami_fan · 07-28-2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Ryan-Priebus ally to me: next phase of Trump presidency will be warfare against GOP Congress
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017

Ryan-Priebus ally tells me Trump is moving toward "an independent WH" untethered from the Republican Party
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017

If I am being honest, I thought this was going to be the plan all along.

JPhillips · 07-28-2017, 05:55 PM

What's he going to do when he figures out there aren't enough Dems to pass anything either?

bronconick · 07-28-2017, 06:24 PM

He's a "businessman". It's going to all be executive orders and a war with North Korea.

07-27-2017, 04:30 PM	#5354
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Oxford comma. __________________ null

07-27-2017, 04:36 PM	#5355
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Senate looks like they'll pass a bill they wrote at lunch, but one they don't want to become law. The House is gearing for fast track authority so that they could pass "something" in a day. The President is excited to sign whatever comes to him. This should all work out well. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-27-2017, 04:46 PM	#5356
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	They had seven years to come up with their version of healthcare, and they are going with one they wrote at lunch? __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 07-27-2017 at 09:38 PM.

07-27-2017, 05:07 PM	#5358
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	There are benefits to it. Much easier to make money in a room full of morons than if everyone was intelligent. Just enjoy the theater. Last edited by RainMaker : 07-27-2017 at 05:07 PM.

07-27-2017, 06:55 PM	#5359
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The absolute best ending to Scaramucci is a Bannon filed HR complaint for a hostile work environment. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-27-2017, 04:17 PM	#5352
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	This is quite an interview. If the White House needs to create distractions, this guy is going to play the jester. Anthony Scaramucci Called Me to Unload About White House Leakers, Reince Priebus, and Steve Bannon \| The New Yorker

07-27-2017, 05:02 PM	#5357
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Am I the only one who vacillates between unending dread for our world and shit-tastical horrorscope my daughter will be stuck with, and the "holy shit this is fucking amazing, the President's spokesperson said his chief advisor sucks his own dick!" Like I want to enjoy how fucking incompetent these shitbags are, but the I remember I can't do anything about it because I live in a backwoods state in a dumb country and I get depressed. I mean, I've gained 10 pounds since the election, and it's not muscle.

07-27-2017, 09:15 PM	#5361
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I'm stealing this, but OMG, yes, in the Trump movie Ron Jeremy has to play Bannon. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-27-2017, 10:36 PM	#5362
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Sounds like they may have the votes. Republicans will now own healthcare after this. Good luck.

07-28-2017, 12:19 AM	#5364
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Pass. https://t.co/U4rliFIyv4 — PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) July 27, 2017

07-28-2017, 12:31 AM	#5365
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	McCain voted no, killing the "skinny" repeal.

07-28-2017, 12:41 AM	#5366
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Classy brain cancer tweet coming in 3,2,1....

07-28-2017, 12:44 AM	#5367
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	DOLA - has there ever been two branches of the same party desperately trying to screw each other over and blame each other for legislation they both wanted to pas but didn't want to get the blame for before?

07-28-2017, 12:46 AM	#5368
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Shut up Mitch. You and your cronies had seven years to put a plan together. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-28-2017, 12:49 AM	#5369
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Flake and Heller had to put their vote on record too. That sort of fucks them for the next election. Maybe Capito too.

07-28-2017, 01:53 AM	#5371
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2017

07-28-2017, 04:02 AM	#5372
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	As I have said before, there are some things I don't like about Obamacare. But getting rid of it and replacing it with a worse system is not the way to go about getting rid of it. I'm personally not sure half of Trump voters understand why they are against Obamacare, other than Trump telling them so. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-28-2017, 07:08 AM	#5374
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	So, wait. When you are running for president, you shouldn't make fun of a Senator in your own party for his war service? I'm so confused.

07-28-2017, 08:50 AM	#5378
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	well who would have guessed it'd be McCain who would be the deciding vote on this-guess in the end he was a maverick. Guess words/tweets matter after all Trump. Wonder what he said in that last minute phone call with him? Hope the Republicans and Democrats listen to McCain's speech about why he voted no and learn from it. Probably not though. Hope too that this signals the end of McConnell's time in leadership. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 07-28-2017 at 08:50 AM.

07-28-2017, 09:56 AM	#5381
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Imma be cynical for a moment here, but I think McCain's speech was more after-the-fact justification. I suspect what went down was more like this: McCain returned to the Senate not for health care, but for the National Defense Authorization Act. The quid pro quo McConnell was offering McCain in exchange for his vote on repeal was an agreement to take up the NDAA immediately after the health vote so he could shepherd that through passage before he had to leave again for treatment. Rand Paul had some issues with the NDAA, was assured by McCain's office that those would be addressed via regular order, but that wasn't enough - he objected to the fast-tracking of the NDAA, which prevents the Senate from taking it up in time for McCain to do anything about it. So McCain voted against repeal as a middle finger to Rand Paul. I might be more inclined to take the Senator's words at face value if he hadn't said "I'm against this bill," then voted both to open discussion and then also voted for passage of the bill to which he objected (remember, the Senate tried three separate repeal tacks - straight repeal, repeal-and-replace-later, and "skinny" repeal). Given that, I'm much more inclined to view McCain's skinny repeal vote as a revenge vote.

07-28-2017, 10:00 AM	#5382
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I actually think his yes vote on the first bill (BCRA) was with the knowledge it was going to fail and then he could go back and said he DID vote against Obamacare, but the other bills to take it away and not have a replacement would have caused chaos and he didn't think that was ok. I don't actually believe it was revenge vote at all. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-28-2017, 10:23 AM	#5384
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Do you think McCain doesn't think he won't make it to 2024? His ego isn't going to conceive otherwise. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-28-2017, 10:29 AM	#5385
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	McCain probably wont make it to 2018, you think he gives a shit about reelection?

07-28-2017, 10:32 AM	#5386
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I'm betting that he thinks he's going to 'beat this'. If he didn't think he was going to last he'd probably resign his seat. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-28-2017, 11:01 AM	#5389
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Mitch has got to be one of the greatest opposition leaders in the history of the Senate, but he's been terrible in the majority. Not only did he lose, but his process didn't put any pressure on Joe Manchin. Given Manchin's personal politics, his states, demos, and his imminent reelection campaign, it's amazing that he never felt the slightest need to waver from his consistent opposition. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-28-2017, 02:44 PM	#5390
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	McCain could also have been giving a middle finger to Trump. If Pence is President does he vote the same way?

07-28-2017, 04:13 PM	#5391
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	3 Chief of Staffs in less than 3 years of being President: Part of the reason why @BarackObama can't manage to pass his agenda. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2012

07-28-2017, 04:27 PM	#5394
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump I would like to thank Reince Priebus for his service and dedication to his country. We accomplished a lot together and I am proud of him! I am pleased to inform you that I have just named General/Secretary John F Kelly as White House Chief of Staff. He is a Great American.... __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 07-28-2017 at 04:29 PM.

07-28-2017, 04:30 PM	#5395
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	It's the White House edition of the Monty Python Upper Class Twit of the Year.

07-28-2017, 04:31 PM	#5396
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	So how many top officials have been fired/quit now Donald? Yep everything working smoothly. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

07-28-2017, 04:59 PM	#5397
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Ryan-Priebus ally to me: next phase of Trump presidency will be warfare against GOP Congress — John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017 Ryan-Priebus ally tells me Trump is moving toward "an independent WH" untethered from the Republican Party — John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 28, 2017

07-28-2017, 05:55 PM	#5399
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	What's he going to do when he figures out there aren't enough Dems to pass anything either? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-28-2017, 06:24 PM	#5400
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	He's a "businessman". It's going to all be executive orders and a war with North Korea.

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