How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb

Karlifornia · 09-25-2008, 12:29 AM

The long bomb, that is. Actually, I'm hoping some advice will help. I cannot throw the deep ball for shit, it seems. I'm talking seams, verticals, and any other cutless routes. It seems no matter what I do, the WR just keeps running with his back turned, and the DB either picks it or swats it. I usually only look for the deep receiver if there is no safety help, but it doesn't seem to matter.

Does anyone have success with the deep ball? Do you take control of the receiver? Is it dependant on your receivers awareness ratings? QB?

Eaglesfan27 · 09-25-2008, 07:01 AM

I've had some success with Patrick Turner who is tall and has a good spectacular catch rating, but my success has been more limited against humans. I usually suck at it when I try to take manual control.

Kodos · 09-25-2008, 09:39 AM

Throwing deep usually turns out poorly for me. Defensive backs seem to react much better than receivers. I've had some success not switching over but hitting Y as the ball arrives. Against a skilled opponent, I still end up throwing more picks than completions.

Poli · 09-25-2008, 09:44 AM

I don't own the game, so I'm merely speculating.

Pump fake?

PurdueBrad · 09-25-2008, 10:47 AM

I've connected on several deep passes. A couple ways I do it. I do look for my tallest receiver so that if it goes jump ball I have a shot. I do pump fake the coverage away (unless my guy is already breaking). And finally, I do switch to the receiver so that I can actually fight for a jump ball. I complete probably 3 of 10, have another 5 batted down in the battle, usually have 1 dropped, and then 1 picked. I'm using Mississippi State so I assume a team with better players would have greater success as well.

Kodos · 09-25-2008, 10:55 AM

Indiana WRs don't create much separation downfield. And I think BC's WRs do an even worse job of it.

DeToxRox · 09-25-2008, 11:16 AM

Human catch is the easiest way with a mediocre team, like Indiana.

However the best way is just to have a stud QB and a really fast WR. You send a guy like Maclin deep and let Daniels throw it as far as he can, eventually Maclin will out run the guy and grab it.

That's about it though, it is a lot tougher now.

Raiders Army · 09-25-2008, 12:05 PM

Just to echo everyone else, catching it yourself works the best. Tall receivers who are fast help. FWIW, I'd rather have tall fast targets than a 5 star recruit.

Galaxy · 09-25-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Just to echo everyone else, catching it yourself works the best. Tall receivers who are fast help. FWIW, I'd rather have tall fast targets than a 5 star recruit.

Aren't 5-star and 4-star recruits usually tall and fast?

Sun Tzu · 09-25-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Aren't 5-star and 4-star recruits usually tall and fast?

Not necessarily. A lot of the 4 and 5 star guys I've seen are 5'9 or 5'10, and a lot of the guys who are 6'2 and up have "B or B+" speed. In the NOFL I just signed a 3 star Wideout who has "A" speed and is 6'3, and I'll probably wind up using him more often than the 5 and 4 star guys I'm targeting.

Galaxy · 09-25-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Not necessarily. A lot of the 4 and 5 star guys I've seen are 5'9 or 5'10, and a lot of the guys who are 6'2 and up have "B or B+" speed. In the NOFL I just signed a 3 star Wideout who has "A" speed and is 6'3, and I'll probably wind up using him more often than the 5 and 4 star guys I'm targeting.

Really? Thanks for the information.

MacroGuru · 09-25-2008, 01:56 PM

For me it turns into a jump ball about 50% of the time, I end up taking control of the receiver and breaking the route to jump in front of the DB, I usually succeed with this. If I have the DB beat, it's a nice catch.

I tend to throw the deep ball against the CPU a lot with BYU.

Kodos · 09-25-2008, 01:59 PM

If I try to move the receiver, disaster inevitably follows immediately thereafter.

PurdueBrad · 09-25-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Really? Thanks for the information.

I've noticed this as well, the game does not value height out of the receivers. Once you factor in height, there are a fair number of three star receivers that are more valuable than their 4 and 5 star counterparts.

Sun Tzu · 09-25-2008, 02:40 PM

I'm a pretty decent joystick jockey, so when I take control of the receiver there's usually a better chance of me coming down with the ball. I'd take a bunch of reps in practice mode (offense vs defense) and just air it out on every play.

Kodos · 09-25-2008, 02:50 PM

I wish in practice mode that you could tell the defense to chose plays at random out of a given formation.

Sun Tzu · 09-25-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I wish in practice mode that you could tell the defense to chose plays at random out of a given formation.

You can. Just move the defensive formation to 4-3 or Nickel or whatever you like, and then hit "Y" which will select any play at random from that formation.

Kodos · 09-25-2008, 03:11 PM

Cool. I didn't know that!

PurdueBrad · 09-25-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

You can. Just move the defensive formation to 4-3 or Nickel or whatever you like, and then hit "Y" which will select any play at random from that formation.

I didn't know this either, trying it now. Thanks!

Sun Tzu · 09-25-2008, 03:57 PM

Practice mode roxXxors my boxXxors.

09-25-2008, 07:01 AM	#2
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I've had some success with Patrick Turner who is tall and has a good spectacular catch rating, but my success has been more limited against humans. I usually suck at it when I try to take manual control. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

09-25-2008, 09:39 AM	#3
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Throwing deep usually turns out poorly for me. Defensive backs seem to react much better than receivers. I've had some success not switching over but hitting Y as the ball arrives. Against a skilled opponent, I still end up throwing more picks than completions. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 09-25-2008 at 09:45 AM.

09-25-2008, 09:44 AM	#4
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I don't own the game, so I'm merely speculating. Pump fake? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-25-2008, 10:55 AM	#6
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Indiana WRs don't create much separation downfield. And I think BC's WRs do an even worse job of it. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

09-25-2008, 01:56 PM	#12
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	For me it turns into a jump ball about 50% of the time, I end up taking control of the receiver and breaking the route to jump in front of the DB, I usually succeed with this. If I have the DB beat, it's a nice catch. I tend to throw the deep ball against the CPU a lot with BYU. __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

09-25-2008, 10:47 AM	#5
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I've connected on several deep passes. A couple ways I do it. I do look for my tallest receiver so that if it goes jump ball I have a shot. I do pump fake the coverage away (unless my guy is already breaking). And finally, I do switch to the receiver so that I can actually fight for a jump ball. I complete probably 3 of 10, have another 5 batted down in the battle, usually have 1 dropped, and then 1 picked. I'm using Mississippi State so I assume a team with better players would have greater success as well.

09-25-2008, 11:16 AM	#7
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Human catch is the easiest way with a mediocre team, like Indiana. However the best way is just to have a stud QB and a really fast WR. You send a guy like Maclin deep and let Daniels throw it as far as he can, eventually Maclin will out run the guy and grab it. That's about it though, it is a lot tougher now.

09-25-2008, 12:05 PM	#8
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Just to echo everyone else, catching it yourself works the best. Tall receivers who are fast help. FWIW, I'd rather have tall fast targets than a 5 star recruit.

09-25-2008, 01:59 PM	#13
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	If I try to move the receiver, disaster inevitably follows immediately thereafter. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

09-25-2008, 02:40 PM	#15
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I'm a pretty decent joystick jockey, so when I take control of the receiver there's usually a better chance of me coming down with the ball. I'd take a bunch of reps in practice mode (offense vs defense) and just air it out on every play. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

09-25-2008, 02:50 PM	#16
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I wish in practice mode that you could tell the defense to chose plays at random out of a given formation. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

09-25-2008, 03:11 PM	#18
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Cool. I didn't know that! __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

09-25-2008, 03:57 PM	#20
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Practice mode roxXxors my boxXxors. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

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