2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition) - Page 11

Buccaneer · 01-17-2015, 04:38 PM

I still don't undertstand Elway "blowing up the team" to bring in Kubiak. Kubiak had health and presumably, mental issues relating the stress of being head coach. Now he is being arm-twisted to go to the one team that has the most pressure to win next season or two?

BillJasper · 01-17-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still don't undertstand Elway "blowing up the team" to bring in Kubiak. Kubiak had health and presumably, mental issues relating the stress of being head coach. Now he is being arm-twisted to go to the one team that has the most pressure to win next season or two?

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.

Galaril · 01-17-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still don't undertstand Elway "blowing up the team" to bring in Kubiak. Kubiak had health and presumably, mental issues relating the stress of being head coach. Now he is being arm-twisted to go to the one team that has the most pressure to win next season or two?

Everyone I saying they have a year to win but think this hire is more about getting someone in here for a longterm stint with Manning either done now or after 2015.

stevew · 01-17-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Not to mention - how many of those picks were the result of garbage WRs not being on the same page as him?

Every INT isn't 100% the QB's fault, you know that stevew.

How many of the 55 sacks are cause he cannot make a quick read and throw?

bhlloy · 01-17-2015, 10:36 PM

Eli had an all time awful season as a rookie. Brees was worse in his third season than Bortles was last year. A young QB on a shitty team will invariably look shitty. I think Bortles has a ton of potential and did as well as most rookies over the last ten years would have done on a train wreck of an offense.

miked · 01-18-2015, 07:43 AM

His best targets were Cecil Shorts and a bunch of rookie WRs and to take pressure off him they had Toby Gerhart as their starting RB. What could possibly go wrong.

BillJasper · 01-18-2015, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

How many of the 55 sacks are cause he cannot make a quick read and throw?

Or because the receivers aren't getting open and behind a line that is allowing pass rushers to flood thru. If he had less sacks and was throwing the ball up, you'd still be using it as a reason for him to be seen as a bust.

Bortles still has a lot of learning to do to be an NFL QB, but to somehow claim him to be a bust because of the terrible offensive talent in Jacksonville seems premature.

Buccaneer · 01-18-2015, 09:44 AM

I think Bortles and Bridgewater both will have good futures in the NFL but the one rookie QB that I am most impressed is Derek Carr. Seems to be a very intelligent, hard-working student of the position. Here's an excerpt that gives me an indicator of a QB with great potential, which there aren't that many in the league:

Raiders Have Their QB of the Future in Derek Carr | Bleacher Report

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It had become apparent even to skeptics during the Raiders' 24-13 upset of their Bay Area neighbors in early December. In that game, Carr outplayed Colin Kaepernick, threw three touchdowns and completed 78.6 percent of his passes, but it was the subtle aspects of his play that were most impressive.

In the third quarter, the Raiders were trailing by three. On a 2nd-and-7, Carr dropped back and looked for fullback Marcel Reece on a little curl, but Reece was covered. He progressed to tight end Mychal Rivera. Didn't see an opening. Then he looked for wide receiver Kenbrell Thompkins on a crossing route. Nothing there.

Finally, he turned to wide receiver Andre Holmes, his fourth read, running a comeback on the sideline. Carr fired the pass before Holmes came out of his break. The completion went for 16 yards and was the key play in the touchdown drive that put the Raiders ahead for good.

"You can see him go one, two, three, four, release, and watch his feet and eyes work together," Olson said. "It's not just going through progressions, it's the understanding of the timing of progressions. It's one of those plays you would put on your clinic tape. This is the timing you want on this play, this is what it is supposed to look like."

bulletsponge · 01-18-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by miked

His best targets were Cecil Shorts and a bunch of rookie WRs and to take pressure off him they had Toby Gerhart as their starting RB. What could possibly go wrong.

forget the shiny toys around him, get him a freaking line!

stevew · 01-18-2015, 01:42 PM

Lane Kiffin to the Niners? It must be great to have a we respected father who is a coach.

Galaril · 01-18-2015, 08:38 PM

Kubiak announced as Broncos HC and expect Dennison to be the OC and Vance Joseph as the DC.

Chief Rum · 01-18-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Lane Kiffin to the Niners? It must be great to have a we respected father who is a coach.

Even if Harbaugh was a pain in the ass to deal with, the way the Niners have handled this has been awful. They fire the most successful coach since Seifert (at least), hire a guy who can't even handle a press conference. Hiring Kiffin would be tour de force of stupidity, so why not?

MacroGuru · 01-20-2015, 11:47 AM

HAHA...oh my, I know Doug is still getting paid a shit load of money by the bills, but to land in the world of being Assistant HC / Oline Coach for the Jags, that has to say something.

Chief Rum · 01-20-2015, 11:50 AM

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HAHA...oh my, I know Doug is still getting paid a shit load of money by the bills, but to land in the world of being Assistant HC / Oline Coach for the Jags, that has to say something.

I realize no one ever found his comments about Nassib from two years ago that I referenced, but the way I look at it, this career move as much as shows this guy isn't as highly viewed as he himself thinks he is.

Abe Sargent · 01-20-2015, 02:22 PM

How the mighty have fallen

Marrone hired as assistant HC-offense/offensive line

BillJasper · 01-20-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

How the mighty have fallen

Marrone hired as assistant HC-offense/offensive line

He got a $4 million dollar parachute, which should make the landing a little more palatable. I imagine Marrone will be in play for some college head coaching jobs next year. His NFL career is probably dead.

Chief Rum · 01-20-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

He got a $4 million dollar parachute, which should make the landing a little more palatable. I imagine Marrone will be in play for some college head coaching jobs next year. His NFL career is probably dead.

Curious, as I didn't follow the link, but is that in the article (the parachute)? I thought Marrone elected to make himself a free agent, as per an option in his contract. Did the Bills really write in that they would pay him $4 M if he selected the option to end the contract?

Logan · 01-20-2015, 03:03 PM

The option, which was triggered by an ownership change, carried with it him being paid his salary in full, with no offset against salary for another gig.

Believe this was another instance of Jimmy Sexton working his magic.

Chief Rum · 01-20-2015, 03:08 PM

Boy, no kidding.

JPhillips · 01-20-2015, 03:11 PM

I thought Marrone would get the Jets job, but now that he didn't he may never see a HC job in the NFL again. The owner club is awfully small and they don't like it when one of their own gets punked. He should seriously consider going back to the college game next year.

molson · 01-20-2015, 03:12 PM

Those are the kind of accommodations a team has to make when you're trying to pry a 2-time Pinstripe Bowl winning coach away from a mid-level college program.

Maybe he didn't like being a head coach in the NFL...so if you can get paid like a head coach for a bit even without having to do that job, then hey, why not.

Solecismic · 01-20-2015, 03:26 PM

Interesting triangle involving John Fox, Marc Trestman and Gary Kubiak.

Abe Sargent · 01-20-2015, 03:36 PM

Reading teh tea leaves, I think the Jags bring in anll three of their top candidates. Doug is in, and I think the toerh two come in as QB Coach and OC.

BillJasper · 01-20-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Interesting triangle involving John Fox, Marc Trestman and Gary Kubiak.

I think Fox is the biggest winner there. He'll have time to rebuild the Bears. Not sure Kubiak is going to get that type of luxury and won't have a QB to boot when Manning retires. Trestman gets to be an offensive coordinator again which he's good at.

stevew · 01-20-2015, 04:12 PM

Marrone is probably positioned to move into the Jags HC job should Bradley post another really bad season. I imagine, though, if he gets that line looking respectable it will go a long way towards the team becoming respectable.

Atocep · 01-20-2015, 08:05 PM

Chan Gailey as OC of the Jets? What year is it?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-21-2015, 01:00 PM

Chiefs execs meet with Eric Berry

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...th-Eric-Berry/

Kodos · 01-21-2015, 01:50 PM

Peyton Manning reportedly intends to return to Denver Broncos for 2015 season | FOX Sports

albionmoonlight · 01-22-2015, 03:47 PM

Saints owner Tom Benson recently said that he intends for his wife Gayle to take over the Saints and Pelicans when he dies. In so doing, he froze out his granddaughter and other family members.

So, of course, those family members are now suing, claiming that he is incompetent and that his wife is controlling him to his detriment.

So that will be sad as hell to watch play out.

Logan · 01-22-2015, 04:42 PM

I'm guessing that's a second (or third, or...) wife?

kingfc22 · 01-22-2015, 04:44 PM

Niners settle on Mangini for DC.

cartman · 01-22-2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Saints owner Tom Benson recently said that he intends for his wife Gayle to take over the Saints and Pelicans when he dies. In so doing, he froze out his granddaughter and other family members.

So, of course, those family members are now suing, claiming that he is incompetent and that his wife is controlling him to his detriment.

So that will be sad as hell to watch play out.

Plus, Louisiana uses a whole different system of law for private disputes than the rest of the country.

Chief Rum · 01-22-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Niners settle on Mangini for DC.

Did they hire Kiffin as OC? If that team will now be coached by a guy with troubles communicating with the media, and two blowhards with checkered pasts at the coordinator spots, I might just laugh myself to sleep tonight.

Chief Rum · 01-22-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Plus, Louisiana uses a whole different system of law for private disputes than the rest of the country.

Gator Rasslin'?

kingfc22 · 01-22-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Did they hire Kiffin as OC? If that team will now be coached by a guy with troubles communicating with the media, and two blowhards with checkered pasts at the coordinator spots, I might just laugh myself to sleep tonight.

Still no OC.

Chief Rum · 01-22-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Still no OC.

So you're saying there's a chance!

SteveMax58 · 01-22-2015, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Saints owner Tom Benson recently said that he intends for his wife Gayle to take over the Saints and Pelicans when he dies. In so doing, he froze out his granddaughter and other family members.

So, of course, those family members are now suing, claiming that he is incompetent and that his wife is controlling him to his detriment.

So that will be sad as hell to watch play out.

I think they have a case as he'd probably choose Sean Payton if he were of sound mind.

korme · 01-22-2015, 07:57 PM

Pretty sure if Vince McMahon ever wanted to re-start the XFL Marshawn Lynch would be the first star knocking at his door.

I feel embarrassed to work for a particular organization that fined a teammate of mine for shaking my hand after a touchdown
— Shawn Lynch (@MoneyLynch) January 23, 2015

NobodyHere · 01-23-2015, 02:52 PM

Colts' Trent Richardson suspended for two games - NFL.com

Good job on that trade Grigson.

Good job.

NobodyHere · 01-23-2015, 05:38 PM

Dola, read another article saying that by suspending Richardson, the Colts can avoid paying his 3 million dollar guaranteed salary next year.

kingfc22 · 01-25-2015, 03:07 PM

Josh Gordon. You sir are an idiot. He'll be broke and in jail in less than 3 years.

claphamsa · 01-25-2015, 03:08 PM

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns facing one-year suspension after failing another drug test - ESPN

lol

stevew · 01-25-2015, 04:33 PM

ah the perils of alcohol!

BillJasper · 01-25-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns facing one-year suspension after failing another drug test - ESPN

lol

Too bad that someone that immensely talented can't control themselves.

mckerney · 01-25-2015, 07:26 PM

Crotch grabbing, bad enough for a 15 yard penalty and $20,000 fine. Not so bad that is can't be sold for $150.

Collage has @MoneyLynch pic offer with closeup of pic (upper right) and shot of espn story on fine (lower right) http://t.co/bTOOv9n55I
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Thomkal · 01-25-2015, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns facing one-year suspension after failing another drug test - ESPN

lol

disappointing, but not surprising. given a second chance and pisses it away. Very sad to see another person lose the battle to alcohol. Hope this time he gets the counseling he needs.

cuervo72 · 01-25-2015, 07:52 PM

2:00 warnings in the 1st and 3rd Q to "speed up the pace of play." Yeah, right.

Vince, Pt. II · 01-26-2015, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

disappointing, but not surprising. given a second chance and pisses it away. Very sad to see another person lose the battle to alcohol. Hope this time he gets the counseling he needs.

I understand that Gordon needs no sympathy, and I'm loathe to give him any, but alcohol? What the hell NFLPA? How do you let the NFL disallow a legal substance that is in no way performance enhancing? This seems ridiculous.

Julio Riddols · 01-26-2015, 01:42 AM

I think its a special situation for Gordon due to DUI issues.

Vince, Pt. II · 01-26-2015, 02:51 AM

I get it, and like I said, he's not one that deserves sympathy from anyone. I even understand that a guy with substance abuse problems should probably be avoiding alcohol. But to suspend him an entire season for having something to drink? That seems absurd.

01-18-2015, 07:43 AM	#506
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01-20-2015, 11:47 AM	#513
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	HAHA...oh my, I know Doug is still getting paid a shit load of money by the bills, but to land in the world of being Assistant HC / Oline Coach for the Jags, that has to say something. __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

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JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I thought Marrone would get the Jets job, but now that he didn't he may never see a HC job in the NFL again. The owner club is awfully small and they don't like it when one of their own gets punked. He should seriously consider going back to the college game next year. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-17-2015, 04:38 PM	#501
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I still don't undertstand Elway "blowing up the team" to bring in Kubiak. Kubiak had health and presumably, mental issues relating the stress of being head coach. Now he is being arm-twisted to go to the one team that has the most pressure to win next season or two?

01-17-2015, 10:36 PM	#505
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Eli had an all time awful season as a rookie. Brees was worse in his third season than Bortles was last year. A young QB on a shitty team will invariably look shitty. I think Bortles has a ton of potential and did as well as most rookies over the last ten years would have done on a train wreck of an offense.

01-18-2015, 01:42 PM	#510
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Lane Kiffin to the Niners? It must be great to have a we respected father who is a coach.

01-18-2015, 08:38 PM	#511
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Kubiak announced as Broncos HC and expect Dennison to be the OC and Vance Joseph as the DC.

01-20-2015, 03:03 PM	#518
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	The option, which was triggered by an ownership change, carried with it him being paid his salary in full, with no offset against salary for another gig. Believe this was another instance of Jimmy Sexton working his magic.

01-20-2015, 03:12 PM	#521
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Those are the kind of accommodations a team has to make when you're trying to pry a 2-time Pinstripe Bowl winning coach away from a mid-level college program. Maybe he didn't like being a head coach in the NFL...so if you can get paid like a head coach for a bit even without having to do that job, then hey, why not. Last edited by molson : 01-20-2015 at 03:13 PM.

01-20-2015, 03:26 PM	#522
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Interesting triangle involving John Fox, Marc Trestman and Gary Kubiak.

01-20-2015, 03:36 PM	#523
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Reading teh tea leaves, I think the Jags bring in anll three of their top candidates. Doug is in, and I think the toerh two come in as QB Coach and OC. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

01-20-2015, 04:12 PM	#525
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Marrone is probably positioned to move into the Jags HC job should Bradley post another really bad season. I imagine, though, if he gets that line looking respectable it will go a long way towards the team becoming respectable.

01-20-2015, 08:05 PM	#526
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Chan Gailey as OC of the Jets? What year is it?

01-21-2015, 01:00 PM	#527
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01-22-2015, 03:47 PM	#529
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Saints owner Tom Benson recently said that he intends for his wife Gayle to take over the Saints and Pelicans when he dies. In so doing, he froze out his granddaughter and other family members. So, of course, those family members are now suing, claiming that he is incompetent and that his wife is controlling him to his detriment. So that will be sad as hell to watch play out.

01-22-2015, 04:42 PM	#530
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I'm guessing that's a second (or third, or...) wife?

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01-25-2015, 04:33 PM	#543
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	ah the perils of alcohol!

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01-26-2015, 02:51 AM	#550
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	I get it, and like I said, he's not one that deserves sympathy from anyone. I even understand that a guy with substance abuse problems should probably be avoiding alcohol. But to suspend him an entire season for having something to drink? That seems absurd.

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