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Old 01-17-2020, 10:05 PM   #21051
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That's a very poorly chosen headline.

Is it?
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:08 PM   #21052
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Well, it suggests Collins is getting 26 months of jail time for endorsing Trump lol.

Seems fair to me though.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:10 PM   #21053
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Some weird old school Soviet Union type stuff here.

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Old 01-17-2020, 11:28 PM   #21054
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Going down the never ending rabbit hole that is the current administration's corruption:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ments-n1118226

So Hyde was texting Yovanovitch's location to Parnas and people were wondering where he was getting the location data from. It turns out, based on the documents released the House today, that he was just copy and pasting texts he was getting from someone named Anthony de Caluwe who turns out to be a Mar-A-Lago member and huge Trump supporter.

When initially contacted he was denying everything, but when provided evidence of the texts he dropped all contact with NBC. NBC was then contacted by one Karyn Turk who claimed she was now representing Mr. de Caluwe to the media.

Who is Karyn Turk? It just so happens she's a close friend of Roger Stone and she set up fundraisers to help with his legal bills. Oh, she was also sentenced to a month in prison earlier this month for stealing her mom's social security checks.

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Old 01-18-2020, 04:53 PM   #21055
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Old 01-20-2020, 01:19 AM   #21056
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Farmers still going strong with Trump.

Farmers still love Trump as president hits highest approval rate ever in ag poll - MarketWatch
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America’s farmers remain solidly in President Trump’s corner, a new poll from the Farm Journal shows, with 83% of those in the agriculture business expressing approval of his job performance. That is the highest the president’s approval has reached in that poll.

The Farm Journal Pulse poll, taken ahead of the president’s scheduled Sunday speech to the American Farm Bureau Federation annual convention in Austin, Texas, found 64% of the 1,286 respondents saying they strongly approve of the job Trump is doing and another 19% expressing they somewhat approve. Only 13% say they strongly disapprove of the president’s performance.

The affirmation from farmers comes after two major trade developments last week, with the U.S. and China signing a “Phase 1” trade agreement and the Senate ratifying and sending to the president for his signature the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement that replaces the 26-year old North American Free Trade Agreement that Trump had vilified on the campaign trail.

The China deal includes targets for China to buy $36 billion of U.S. agriculture exports this year and more than $43 billion in 2021. Stock indexes responded positively to the trade news last week, with the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500 all hitting record highs.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:03 PM   #21057
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:09 PM   #21058
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Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows | FiveThirtyEight

538 had an article on job approval that's both interesting and obvious after reading it. We've become so partisan in our politics that people are seeing job approval questions as essentially asking the question "do you support your party or the other party?".
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:30 PM   #21059
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I think the massive welfare checks he has given them help the approval ratings quite a bit.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:53 PM   #21060
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I think the massive welfare checks he has given them help the approval ratings quite a bit.

This past weekend, there were several threads on an Ag forum that I read discussing whether the MFP payments were welfare or not. Minus a few sensible posts, the general consensus was that it isn’t welfare because they work hard and deserve it.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:24 PM   #21061
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This past weekend, there were several threads on an Ag forum that I read discussing whether the MFP payments were welfare or not. Minus a few sensible posts, the general consensus was that it isn’t welfare because they work hard and deserve it.

Nobody complains about getting a free handout when it’s your hand getting the benefit.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:39 AM   #21062
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Trump is now an environmentalist!

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Old 01-21-2020, 01:48 PM   #21063
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I can not fathom how anyone can watch this impeachment and think Trump is innocent. What innocent person does all they can to stonewall the process that is designed to prove they are innocent.
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Old 01-21-2020, 02:55 PM   #21064
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Yep. If you're innocent, you want a lot of witnesses and documents showing that to be produced. If you're guilty, you want to suppress everything.
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Old 01-21-2020, 04:56 PM   #21065
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Christ, even Fox News is saying the argument for calling witnesses is compelling.
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:08 PM   #21066
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Christ, even Fox News is saying the argument for calling witnesses is compelling.

Yes, but they're probably on the Hunter-and-whistleblower bandwagon for that.
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:10 PM   #21067
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The Guardian is running a story that claims Bezos' phone was hacked by the Saudis through a video file sent by the crown Prince's account.

Several months later the National Enquirer ran the story on Bezos that included copies of text messages.
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Old 01-22-2020, 09:29 AM   #21068
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Today's when Trump confessed to obstruction of Congress.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:41 PM   #21069
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So Tulsi Gabbard, in a move sure to make Dems vote for her is suing Hillary Clinton for $50 million dollars over her calling her a "a favorite of the Russians" last fall


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


I just want to know if she's going to sue every journalist and every Twitter user who have said exactly the same thing?
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:43 PM   #21070
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So Tulsi Gabbard, in a move sure to make Dems vote for her is suing Hillary Clinton for $50 million dollars over her calling her a "a favorite of the Russians" last fall


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


I just want to know if she's going to sue every journalist and every Twitter user who have said exactly the same thing?

Ah, sounds like she is employing the Devin Nunes maneuver.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:49 PM   #21071
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And its worked so well for him...
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:51 PM   #21072
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And its worked so well for him...

He's really moooooved the bar lower.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:57 PM   #21073
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Old 01-22-2020, 02:22 PM   #21074
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Old 01-23-2020, 06:45 AM   #21075
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So Tulsi Gabbard, in a move sure to make Dems vote for her...


Don't worry. She is going on Fox News every day to explain her thinking. That's the best way to reach the Democratic constituents, right?
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Old 01-23-2020, 07:13 PM   #21076
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Trey Gowdy really is a moron, "Or is it only because he’s [Biden] in that status of potential candidate that this somehow is elevated to something for which he [Trump] should be removed from office."

Yes. That is exactly the reason. When a President is using the power of his office for personal gain, in this case trying to damage a potential presidential opponent, then you are going to get impeached.
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:33 PM   #21077
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Very interested in the details. Assume the Israelis know what will be proposed and have essentially bought on. Assume the Palestinians will say its DOA (but hopefully a foundation to work from).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/polit...sit/index.html
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The Trump administration has invited Israel's Prime Minister and opposition leader to the White House Tuesday as it plans to finally unveil its long-awaited vision for ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

President Donald Trump, speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One on Thursday, said he would release the Mideast plan before the Tuesday meeting. "Sometime prior to that," Trump said, shortly before arriving in Florida. "Probably we'll release it a little bit prior to that."
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Speaking on Air Force One, Trump said the administration had spoken to the Palestinians "briefly."

"We've spoken to them briefly, but we will speak to them in a period of time," he said. "And they have a lot of incentive to do it. I'm sure they maybe will react negatively at first, but it's actually very positive for them."

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Old 01-23-2020, 09:59 PM   #21078
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Assume the Israelis know what will be proposed and have essentially bought on.]

Is that really a safe assumption these days?
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:33 PM   #21079
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Israel's busy having a third election in 11 months in March because no one wants to work with a Netenyahu under indictment. They literally can't do anything outside of a caretaker government using a 2018 budget, I believe. If they're meeting, it's for Netenyahu and Trump to proclaim a victory on something meaningless for votes.
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:35 PM   #21080
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Yeah. They've admitted they haven't spoken to the Palestinians, so it's all just for show.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:48 AM   #21081
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:51 AM   #21082
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Again, Fuck the GOP 4 who proclaims that they are always moderate mysteries. They absolutely will not do anything, in the end, but fall in line. I can't help but vomit any time I hear one of the talking heads on CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, or Fox News talk about these 4 like they're not in the bag and they might surprise us. Bullshit. This is tribal politics at its worst and I wish for god's sake and our countries that we eventually move to a legitimate multiparty system.

When the next opposition President gets in office, no matter what they do, when the other side screams and cries fire in the theatre I'll point back to this era and say you said that they could do anything, you voted that they could dso anything, and you never held anyone to account. Now sleep in your fucking bed you made.

Of course, they'll ignore video proof of what they said and say that things are different now and the sad part is a subsection of our country will buy in again.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:30 AM   #21083
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Huge march today in Iraq demanding the U.S. leave.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:38 AM   #21084
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Again, Fuck the GOP 4 who proclaims that they are always moderate mysteries. They absolutely will not do anything, in the end, but fall in line. I can't help but vomit any time I hear one of the talking heads on CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, or Fox News talk about these 4 like they're not in the bag and they might surprise us. Bullshit. This is tribal politics at its worst and I wish for god's sake and our countries that we eventually move to a legitimate multiparty system.

When the next opposition President gets in office, no matter what they do, when the other side screams and cries fire in the theatre I'll point back to this era and say you said that they could do anything, you voted that they could dso anything, and you never held anyone to account. Now sleep in your fucking bed you made.

Of course, they'll ignore video proof of what they said and say that things are different now and the sad part is a subsection of our country will buy in again.

Sort of like the zero Senate votes on the impeachment of Bill Clinton? It's all a sideshow. The only people with any integrity are the no votes from the GOP house/Senate members for Clinton and the Democratic house members for Trump. Of course I know you and most of the board won't see it that way (This is serious this time! Nothing to do with my politics at all I would feel this way about anyone! Things are forever going to be different because a president from another party is in office! ) but from a non Republican/Democrat point of view it is all just bread and circuses for the masses.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:41 AM   #21085
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:43 AM   #21086
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I agree with you 100% panerd. My interest in politics was 0 for a long time because of that very fact. For some reason with Trump, I've been more interested because I want to see the d-bag fall. I eventually realized this is all the same BS, so I don't give a shit any more.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:54 AM   #21087
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Sort of like the zero Senate votes on the impeachment of Bill Clinton? It's all a sideshow. The only people with any integrity are the no votes from the GOP house/Senate members for Clinton and the Democratic house members for Trump. Of course I know you and most of the board won't see it that way (This is serious this time! Nothing to do with my politics at all I would feel this way about anyone! Things are forever going to be different because a president from another party is in office! ) but from a non Republican/Democrat point of view it is all just bread and circuses for the masses.

Right. So in the future when they oppose the next president I hope that they are muted by the things they said to the contrary now. FWIW, I feel this way on a personal level too. When people around me support XYZ that's happening I hope that they understand that they have zero cred to get their panties in a wad when the next president does exactly XYZ.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:02 AM   #21088
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Apparently, it's not possible to legitimately think that Clinton didn't deserve impeachment and that Trump does deserve impeachment. You must be a party hack.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:54 AM   #21089
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Apparently, it's not possible to legitimately think that Clinton didn't deserve impeachment and that Trump does deserve impeachment. You must be a party hack.

I believe his post also contained about 3 paragraphs of hyperbole like "This is the end of politics as we know it!" "Now the Democrats will play this game as well!" Like they haven't already? My "Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V' is for these exact moments that don't think the two sides are part of a big giant game. The definition of politics contains this... the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power. I'll accept I am clearly a broken record you just have to realize I respond to the broken records on here that think somehow 2020 is really any different than 1972 or 1900 or 1804(There was a dual involving the Vice-President for Christ's sake)...
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:59 AM   #21090
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I agree with you 100% panerd. My interest in politics was 0 for a long time because of that very fact. For some reason with Trump, I've been more interested because I want to see the d-bag fall. I eventually realized this is all the same BS, so I don't give a shit any more.

Just gonna live my life and enjoy what I'm doing.

Yeah Larry always gets his panties in a wad about my posts for some reason but I'm in the same boat. Could give two shits about Trump and would love to see him fired like his tagline on his show. (Not sure most of this board understands what they are getting with Pence but that's a whole other topic all together) It's just the whole GW Bush is the end of politics, Obama's America is the love of the world, Trump is the end of politics contrasted with Bush is the savior from terrorism, Obama is making America Communists, Trump is making America Great Again fight where every year it's "the worst it's ever been". I mean I already mentioned the Burr/Hamilton duel, there have been presidential assassinations, a civil war, multiple World Wars, Watergate, an actor elected president... This is not the worst politics have ever been.

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Old 01-24-2020, 11:21 AM   #21091
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The only people with any integrity are the no votes from the GOP house/Senate members for Clinton and the Democratic house members for Trump.

This is the part of your post I was responding to. And I think it's a ridiculous assertion. Certainly the two impeachments concern vastly different issues and it's not necessarily inconsistent to have differing opinions about them.

My issue with your repetitive posts is that you never want to discuss the issues involved. For instance, do you think Trump deserves to be impeached? Did Clinton deserve to be impeached? Should there be witnesses? Why or why not? Instead you just resort to your usual spiel about how both sides are hypocrites and everything is the same as it's always been, which is a convenient way of avoiding discussion of any substantive issues.
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This is the part of your post I was responding to. And I think it's a ridiculous assertion. Certainly the two impeachments concern vastly different issues and it's not necessarily inconsistent to have differing opinions about them.

My issue with your repetitive posts is that you never want to discuss the issues involved. For instance, do you think Trump deserves to be impeached? Did Clinton deserve to be impeached? Should there be witnesses? Why or why not? Instead you just resort to your usual spiel about how both sides are hypocrites and everything is the same as it's always been, which is a convenient way of avoiding discussion of any substantive issues.

So you aren't confused that the impeachment votes and debt ceiling votes etc always happen on party lines? Every 4-8 years everyone on both parties changes their philosophy? Or it's just a complete sham/shell game? One seems a lot more likely to me.

I think both impeachments were pure politics. Unfortunately this current one is going to backfire and cost us with 4 more years of Trump. And I will walk that back a bit, technically Clinton and Trump both probably committed impeachable offenses to the letter of the law but the impeachments are all just political games. They have been wanting to impeach Trump since the minute he won the election. Mueller report comes out, let's move on to the next thing we can grip onto...

I hate Trump. I actually tossed and turned the night of the Iran missile attack. Normally that would just be Middle East being the Middle East but with him it could be a nuclear catastrophe. But for the most part he really is just an idiot that says what other politicians just lie about. Not the worst ever, not the end of American politics...
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:57 AM   #21093
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Yeah Larry always gets his panties in a wad about my posts for some reason but I'm in the same boat. Could give two shits about Trump and would love to see him fired like his tagline on his show. (Not sure most of this board understands what they are getting with Pence but that's a whole other topic all together) It's just the whole GW Bush is the end of politics, Obama's America is the love of the world, Trump is the end of politics contrasted with Bush is the savior from terrorism, Obama is making America Communists, Trump is making America Great Again fight where every year it's "the worst it's ever been". I mean I already mentioned the Burr/Hamilton duel, there have been presidential assassinations, a civil war, multiple World Wars, Watergate, an actor elected president... This is not the worst politics have ever been.

This man has my proxy. I couldnt have said it better.

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I generally avoid tin foil hat conspiracy theories but the older I get the more I believe that all the fighting and back and forth is truly orchestrated chaos. Its the red cape that both sides wave to distract us.
The sword behind the cape is the elitest remaining in power. Through the history of mankind a populace will organize and attack a common enemy.
If the population is left happy they will demand happiness. By manufacturing strife and conflict you ensure the unwashed masses feud amongst themselves and isolate the aristocrats from true unified scrutiny.

Then they systemically attack masculinity and aggression and convince the populace that the very willingness to fight is cause in and of itself of condemnation.

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Old 01-24-2020, 12:03 PM   #21094
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So you aren't confused that the impeachment votes and debt ceiling votes etc always happen on party lines?

The last debt ceiling vote happened August 1 and the vote was 67-28 on the basis of DEMOCRATIC votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...06e_story.html

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Republican leaders including Trump himself had been working to round up GOP support ahead of Thursday’s vote, trying to avoid a repeat of the outcome in the House last week, when a majority of Republican lawmakers ignored Trump’s pleas and voted against the deal. It passed the House anyway, on the strength of Democratic votes. The lobbying effort paid off in the Senate as more Republicans voted in favor of the deal than against it, by a margin of 30-23. Five Democrats also voted “no.”

So no, they don't always seem to happen on party lines, do they?
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Old 01-24-2020, 01:57 PM   #21095
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The last debt ceiling vote happened August 1 and the vote was 67-28 on the basis of DEMOCRATIC votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...06e_story.html



So no, they don't always seem to happen on party lines, do they?

You're pointing out one exception and using it as a counterpoint to another poster saying that partisan politics is prevalent.

Am I understanding that correct?
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:03 PM   #21096
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You're pointing out one exception and using it as a counterpoint to another poster saying that partisan politics is prevalent.

Am I understanding that correct?

Of course!

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Old 01-24-2020, 02:20 PM   #21098
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The difference between the words prevalent and always might be useful here.

But if we need more examples, then the 2011 debt ceiling was also not along partisan lines, as it included votes from 45 Democrats and 28 Republicans. The House version of that same bill was 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats.
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Apparently, it's not possible to legitimately think that Clinton didn't deserve impeachment and that Trump does deserve impeachment. You must be a party hack.

I'd like someone from the "OMG Both Sidez" camp to answer this question. Is this possible?
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