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Old 02-15-2019, 02:16 PM   #16001
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I disagree. They're not as crazy as he is, even the conservatives.

We keep echoing this sentiment about a lot of things surrounding this administration, yet this stuff keeps happening, and getting exponentially worse.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:18 PM   #16002
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But if they feel it is an actual emergency it doesn’t become an egregious violation. Let’s also not act like quid pro quo doesn’t exist with regards to recent nominations.

I think you're letting your bias toward assuming the worst of the other side get to you, IMO. I don't think any of the Supreme Court justices are unreasonable, even Cavanaugh.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:20 PM   #16003
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We keep echoing this sentiment about a lot of things surrounding this administration, yet this stuff keeps happening, and getting exponentially worse.

Well, you're free to feel that way, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:22 PM   #16004
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I think you're letting your bias toward assuming the worst of the other side get to you, IMO. I don't think any of the Supreme Court justices are unreasonable, even Cavanaugh.

Kavanaugh doesn’t think a sitting president should be able to be tried for crimes while in office. I don’t trust his judgment in the least.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:25 PM   #16005
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I don't think the Supreme Court has any desire to touch the case. I think the most likely scenario is it's struck down by a lower federal court and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal.

The Supreme Court only needs four votes to grant cert.

Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Bob's your uncle.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:28 PM   #16006
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And that is an understandable fear, but my gut (my hope?) is that even conservative judges are going to be at least somewhat reasonable and would not approve egregious violations of the constitution, which this qualifies for, IMO.

They may be conservative but since they aren't by any account nutso like Trump or some of the people backing him, I suspect they will use a lot more reason and logic and uphold the importance of the framing document over the whims of one man.

I hope that SCOTUS stops it as well, but there is definitely more than a zero % chance that SCOTUS takes the President's side on this, especially with a more expanded view of executive power on the bench. Interestingly this may be another case where CJ Roberts has to stop the insanity leading to people on the right calling him Satan.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:40 PM   #16007
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I was, once again, wrong about Trump. I thought he'd declare the wall built, declare victory, and call it a day. I didn't see the emergency resolution coming.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:46 PM   #16008
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Trump to NBC reporter Peter Alexander on the national emergency:


“I didn’t need to do this.” “I just want to do it faster.”


That's a lot of lawsuits he just lost.

Pelosi just latched on to this on Twitter.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:49 PM   #16009
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I hope that SCOTUS stops it as well, but there is definitely more than a zero % chance that SCOTUS takes the President's side on this, especially with a more expanded view of executive power on the bench. Interestingly this may be another case where CJ Roberts has to stop the insanity leading to people on the right calling him Satan.

Agreed. It is definitely more than zero and I don't think Lathum or other Dems are wrong to fear it happening, but I truly don't think it will happen. I think they will strike it down, something like 6-3, 7-2. It won't be close.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:54 PM   #16010
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Agreed. It is definitely more than zero and I don't think Lathum or other Dems are wrong to fear it happening, but I truly don't think it will happen. I think they will strike it down, something like 6-3, 7-2. It won't be close.

If the gap would be that big they won’t even hear it. They talk. It will be 5-4 one way or the other. There is a reason Merrik Garland happened and it’s at our doorstep.
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Old 02-15-2019, 03:13 PM   #16011
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If the gap would be that big they won’t even hear it.

Only plausible if the lower courts smack it down unanimously (or approve it unanimously). If there's a split on a Constitutional question, SCOTUS will almost certainly have to take the case to resolve the split decision.
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:52 PM   #16012
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Kavanaugh doesn’t think a sitting president should be able to be tried for crimes while in office. I don’t trust his judgment in the least.

Neither does the DOJ, going back multiple adminstrations. I don't think that's an extreme view - they should be impeached first, which is the constitutional remedy. Personally I think a big part of the problem is that as a nation we've never been willing to impeach nearly often enough. .
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Old 02-15-2019, 08:11 PM   #16013
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:27 PM   #16014
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Starting to see lots of my pro-Trump FB friends posting memes that say "When are politicians going to declare a national emergency over our country's $22 trillion debt?"

Followed by comments cheering on true patriots to resist the liberal agenda that dug that deficit.

After spending an hour last night reading comments on an article about girls in Scouts BSA where everyone was blaming the liberal/transgender agenda for the de-masculinization of society*, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe we shouldn't just burn it all down and start again.

[*] I'm not going to explain the whole girl dens in Boy Scouts thing and how that came about. I'm going to assume you guys can both Google and read, but if you want the tl;dr on it: nobody forced anybody to do anything...unless you want to count market forces from declining enrollment. It was a business decision aimed at growing the market.
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Old Yesterday, 12:46 AM   #16015
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I think humans are about to be their own undoing with so much disinformation and tribalism out there. We're mostly smart enough as a species to avoid it, but I think the sheer number of mentally secluded idiots out there are going to eventually overpower the rest of us. Half of them seem to want to accelerate our demise in the name of their god returning to save them. The worse it gets, the more they believe the revelation is upon us.
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Old Yesterday, 07:22 AM   #16016
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I wouldn't give us great odds of making it out of this century.
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Old Yesterday, 07:57 AM   #16017
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I wouldn't give us great odds of making it out of this century.

We need the baby boomers and depression era folks to die off.

It sounds harsh, but they are the biggest group that support the lunacy. My 88 year old dad the other day was claiming global warming isn't real, and every 11,000 years the planet goes through this cycle.

He actually believes this shit, and as long as his retirement account grows he doesn't give 2 shits about the planet, the wall, or the perversion of the constitution.
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Old Yesterday, 08:37 AM   #16018
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I wouldn't give us great odds of making it out of this century.

And we've got a backup plan in case climate change doesn't do the job, we'll just kill all the insects and make it impossible to grow food.
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Old Yesterday, 09:42 PM   #16019
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Trump's pick to replace Nikki Haley as UN Ambassdor withdraws her nomination:


https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/polit...dor/index.html
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Old Today, 03:03 AM   #16020
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I think we overvalue our own intelligence compared to other generations. Guarantee our children, grandchildren, etc. will be saying the same exact stuff about us, in a 'how the heck do you believe that crap/you embarrass me to my core/etc. type of way'. It's just the way things are.

I don't see humanity destroying itself, but I think we're in for some massive upheavals. Thing is, at a certain point people will want their leaders to do whatever is necessary to 'fix' the problems, at which point I think we'll end up back in a more autocratic arrangement for much of the world and quite possibly a one-world government. The end of the species? Nah, but I think the planet will look as unrecognizable to us as we would to those who lived in the 19th century 100 years from now. Perhaps even moreso.
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