04-19-2020, 11:01 PM | #1 | ||
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
The Last Dance Documentary
I am thinking this is going to need its own thread.
So Scottie was one of those “Players of Today” back then huh?
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
||
04-19-2020, 11:20 PM | #2 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Also the idea of Zion going back to Duke to rehabbed and not sitting on the bench during Pelican games gets him crushed for his lack of commitment to being a professional in 2020.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
04-26-2020, 09:47 PM | #3 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Is it possible that Dennis Rodman could fit into today’s game off the court but not on the court?
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
04-26-2020, 09:55 PM | #4 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Watching the first two episodes I was struck by the volume of mid-range jumpers. What would the Bulls play style look like in 2020?
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
04-26-2020, 10:14 PM | #5 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
I feel like Jordan would have just shot a lot more 3s and they’d still win a ton of titles.
|
04-26-2020, 10:14 PM | #6 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pacific
|
Fantastic series so far. Im loving it.
__________________
Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15 |
04-26-2020, 10:41 PM | #7 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Quote:
For the later years, I agree. I would plead for the repeal of the three point shot if they turned the early years Mike into a person who took 40% of his shot from the three point line.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
|
04-26-2020, 10:43 PM | #8 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
|
Quote:
I read an article on it (athletic maybe?) that said the same. The thing is that superstar players are taking roughly the same amount of mid-range jumpers as they always have. It's the role players that don't shoot them anymore. So Jordan's game would have been less long 2's in exchange for more 3's and his free throw percentage suggests he would have probably made ~35% or so of those threes. Bulls style would have changed, but they'd still be a great team. |
|
04-26-2020, 10:51 PM | #9 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
I do think they would have had to find a stretch big. Like you could prob play Rodman at center but they’d need someone at the 4.
Also they would have gotten ring chasers every year. Bison Dele was one thing but getting guys like Jeff Green type(7th man) for free every match would have helped. |
04-26-2020, 10:58 PM | #10 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Now, Mike saying that Scott Burrell needed to commit to one woman is a bit rich.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
04-27-2020, 12:12 AM | #11 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
Quote:
Wouldn't Pippen be the prototypical stretch 4/point forward? Not a great 3 point shooter, but in today's era he'd probably have worked on his shooting a bit more. You can argue that both Pippen and Kukoc are stretch 4's in today's game. Definitely would get (and need) more depth in 2020. The 8th guy off the bench in terms of minutes was Randy Brown. |
|
04-27-2020, 12:45 AM | #12 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Minnesota
|
Kukoc yes.
Pippen, nah... Way to valuable with the ball in his hands to be setting up behind the arc. A Sam Perkins type would have excelled in todays NBA or on that team in todays era. |
04-27-2020, 12:47 AM | #13 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Minnesota
|
|
04-27-2020, 12:54 AM | #14 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
Quote:
I had considered both options. But Pippen is still the standard for 3s not named LeBron I think. Anyways can we talk about how Krause was probably right to break up this team. Look at these guys stats after this. Rodman played like 40 more games. Pippen wasn’t that great in his final 5 years. Kukoc had 1-2 more good seasons. I doubt they repeat in 99 |
|
04-27-2020, 01:17 AM | #15 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
On the other hand, they stunk for 3+ years, didn't really get anything good out of it (Brand and Chandler both played their best basketball after being traded away) didn't have a winning record until 2004/05 and didn't make a run in the playoffs until 2010/11.
If you blow it up and don't approach relevancy for another 10-12 years, is it really worth it? Might as well have chased another ring IMO, even while acknowledging they might not have been the favorite. |
04-27-2020, 01:22 AM | #16 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: VA
|
Can you imagine Lebron against the Pistons in the late 80's?
__________________
Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding" |
04-27-2020, 01:30 AM | #17 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
True. Arrest and Brand are really nice building blocks in 99 but that 2000 draft being an all time worst really hurts. Arrest was on about 8 teams for a reason. The double down turning Brand into Chandler really hurt. Curry was a turd.
|
04-27-2020, 01:47 AM | #18 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
|
04-27-2020, 08:57 AM | #19 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Unpopular opinion: I kinda wish there was a bit of the Bad Boys defense style in today's NBA. Nothing like Rodman pushing Pippen as he landed 10 feet out of bounds, but it should be a bit painful to go to the basket, to set or run through picks. I am just looking for a bit more physicality of that variety.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
04-27-2020, 09:04 AM | #20 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Quote:
It's weird. Like so many, I remember the Bad Boys Pistons fondly and wish we could go back to some version of it. But when the Knicks tried the same thing in the mid 90s, I found it thuggish, slow, and boring basketball. And I was happy for the reforms to try and get rid of it. Not sure what the difference was. |
|
04-27-2020, 09:48 AM | #21 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Quote:
I would have to go back and look but my memory of the Pistons was that they were strong defensively but they were not offensively challenged. It felt like they were still going up and down the court and were not adverse to scoring. The Knicks felt like they could not score and knew that so they would not even try. A quick comparison between 88-89 Pistons who won the title and the 93-94 Knicks who lost to the Rockets. Pistons PTS/G: 106.6 (16th of 25) Opp PTS/G: 100.8 (2nd of 25) SRS: 6.24 (4th of 25) Pace: 95.5 (25th of 25) Off Rtg: 110.8 (7th of 25) Def Rtg: 104.7 (3rd of 25) Knicks PTS/G: 98.5 (21st of 27) Opp PTS/G: 91.5 (1st of 27) SRS: 6.48 (2nd of 27) Pace: 92.8 (24th of 27) Off Rtg: 105.7 (16th of 27) Def Rtg: 98.2 (1st of 27)
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
|
04-27-2020, 04:37 PM | #22 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Why was there so much wood paneling in NBA locker rooms in the late 80s and early 90s?
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
04-27-2020, 05:56 PM | #23 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Minnesota
|
Quote:
Agree! The Pistons are treated as "thugs" but in reality they were a very good offensive team. Joe Dumars was very underrated. Vinny Johnson was todays version of Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams. The frontcourt was tremendously deep with Rodman, Sally, Laimbeer, Aguirre/Dantley, & Rick Mahorn(before he was drafted in the expansion draft) And of course their leader was Isiah. I mean I hated them but it was hard not to respect how good they were as a unit. Last edited by jbergey22 : 04-27-2020 at 05:59 PM. |
|
04-27-2020, 06:07 PM | #24 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
I wish they played 6 intra division games now. They could definitely streamline the schedule a ton. Maybe west plays east at home or on the road but not both.
|
04-27-2020, 06:13 PM | #25 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
|
Too hard on the bottom line most likely. Telling Atlanta that they lose a visit from, say, the Lakers ... but they get another visit from, say, the Wizards isn't going over very well most likely.
__________________
"I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis |
04-27-2020, 06:22 PM | #26 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
Yeah. But they split revenue. Watching the Last Dance last night reminded me of how many random Hawks games I watched in the 80s. Thanks Ted
|
04-27-2020, 06:34 PM | #27 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
|
Quote:
Lebron weighs more than most of those guys and has the muscle to boot. It might be tougher in a sense but I think if anyone was built to withstand that, it'd be him. Guys like Curry would be another story. |
|
05-03-2020, 08:45 PM | #28 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
Mr Swackhammer is obv inspired by Jerry Krause, right?
|
05-03-2020, 09:12 PM | #29 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
So Mom and Dad is the reason for the Air Jordan brand.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
05-03-2020, 10:10 PM | #30 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
I have never understood the phenomenon of hangIng out at a celebrity’s hotel waiting for an autograph.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
05-04-2020, 12:08 AM | #31 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
These 90s suits are utter ridiculous. Jordan has at least 12-18” too much fabric
|
05-04-2020, 10:58 AM | #32 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
|
Quote:
I still have kept one of these types of suits (8 buttons) in the back of my closet somewhere.
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
|
05-04-2020, 05:39 PM | #33 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pacific
|
Michael went through some shit. This shows the intense pressure he went through daily. A lesser man would have broken several times over.
I read The Jordan Rules last year. Great book. It only made me appreciate what Jordan was, a winner.
__________________
Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15 |
05-04-2020, 05:59 PM | #34 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
Quote:
I always laugh when someone tries to say the 2000s were basically the continuation of the 1990s, as to ask why the 70s and 80s were distinct decades but the 90s and 00s don't seem to be (it's because those folks got old and all the 'kids stuff' looked the same to them). The looseness of clothing in the 90s was insane. You can see it in Friends as well. Sweaters looked like they were swallowing up people.
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
|
05-04-2020, 07:55 PM | #35 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
I do a design exercise with the play Closer, set in the nineties. The students always point out that nobody's clothes fit.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
05-04-2020, 08:43 PM | #36 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
Oh yeah spoiler alert Jordan still wears ridiculous jeans in public these days.
|
05-05-2020, 07:28 AM | #37 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
|
Quote:
That was the first thing my wife pointed out in the Scottie Pippen episode: "That suit is HUGE on him! What is he doing?"
__________________
My listening habits |
|
05-05-2020, 07:53 AM | #38 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: May 2006
|
Quote:
Maybe our clothes are just way too tight and the 90s had it right. . |
|
05-05-2020, 09:41 AM | #39 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
Quote:
If you want to look like you are wearing a tent, I guess :P. I think our currently more fitted clothing is by far a better way to go.
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
|
05-05-2020, 10:42 AM | #40 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2003
|
Quote:
I was thinking about this while watching Sunday night. I couldn't imagine getting that much attention for as long as he did.
__________________
Why choose failure when success is an option? |
|
05-05-2020, 10:48 AM | #41 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB
|
I love baggy clothes and miss the 90's very much.
__________________
"Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime." |
05-06-2020, 10:55 AM | #42 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
|
I love how you can just relate to some of the stuff if you played organised sports. Like Jordan's indignant response to getting caught up in "Dennis getting in shape drill". Everybody whoever had a hung-over or habitually late teammate get blasted for this and then the whole team had to do extra drills knows about this
__________________
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” |
05-07-2020, 01:05 PM | #43 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Today is the anniversary of "The Shot" over Craig Ehlo.
As many times as I have seen that replay, it still looks fake to me. He just seems to stay in the air longer than an object subject to the normal laws of gravity should stay in the air. I'm sure it's all camera angles, etc.. I don't care. I will always believe that there is just a touch of magic in that shot. It is also, IMO, the "perfect" sports highlight. Most famous player in the world, in a big moment at the end of a game, and you see him celebrate and his opponent collapse at the end. |
05-07-2020, 01:17 PM | #44 |
Resident Alien
Join Date: Jun 2001
|
I can only imagine what a raging asshole I'd be if I was swarmed every time I left my room like MJ was.
|
05-07-2020, 02:06 PM | #45 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
|
wondering who they were going to snub to put IT on the dream team. There was always going to be one college guy. Sure you could say Magic but other than that?
|
05-07-2020, 02:21 PM | #46 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
I kept saying, and Christian Leattner, every time they said a team comprised of NBA greats.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
05-07-2020, 02:55 PM | #47 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pacific
|
If you havent seen the documentary about that game you should.
__________________
Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15 |
05-07-2020, 04:21 PM | #48 | |
World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
|
Quote:
|
|
05-07-2020, 05:59 PM | #49 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Minnesota
|
I found the entire Craig Ehlo guarding Jordan quite funny. I mean who would think Craig Ehlo could guard Michael Jordan. Ron Harper at least could come somewhat close athletically if nothing else.
Jordan seemed to light up the Cavs for 45 plus almost every time they played not even including playoffs. Watching some older Jordan games on ESPN I had forgotten how smooth he was. His ball handling skills were extremely underrated IMO. A lot of times when I watch older games I think of how they would do in todays environment and a lot of times it makes me think a bit less of them as a player. When I watch MJ, I feel he would still be the most dominate player on the court today. |
05-08-2020, 11:47 AM | #50 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
My buddy's take:
"You know, this is the season where LeBron might have led the Lakers to a title, and that would have probably pushed public opinion solidly into the LeBron > Jordan side. "So can we 100% put it past Michael to have created the Coronavirus to cancel this NBA season and time it so that his documentary comes out instead to remind people that Jordan > LeBron? "He's that competitive, right?" Last edited by albionmoonlight : 05-08-2020 at 11:47 AM. |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
|
|