2017-2018 College Basketball Thread

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm never around, but this should definitely be a reason to start a thread on this board. I have little doubt this will lead to a renewal of the rivalry on an annual, regular-season basis. The two head coaches were the ones that hatched this idea.

Mizzou, KU discussing exhibition basketball game | The Kansas City Star

[MrBug708]

While it's cool to see it back again, it probably won't be much of a game

[Logan]

UNC skates.

[molson]

Pretty simple blueprint to make sure athletes don't need to know how to read to be able to play. Fake no-show classes that don't require work don't violate NCAA rules as long as you offer them to all students.

We knew sports were the most important thing at these schools, but it's still always kind of surprising how much even academically "prestigious" schools like UNC are totally cool with whoring out the academics and devaluing that side of things for everyone in the name of sports.

Edit: And it's kind of sad they picked the African-American studies department to be the centerpiece of these fake academic programs. What a great message for the students. They present it as a real department with real professors and a real curriculum. But the athletic department and, I guess, the academic leaders at the university and in that department, collaborate to make sure it's true purpose is to ultimately assist in exploiting young people (many of whom happen to be African-American) for their athletic talent so they can make big bucks, and all they have to give up in exchange is no-show degrees, and of course, the academic integrity of the school. Imagine a sincere student studying African-American studies in that department having his degree tainted by all this.

[bronconick]

Next week, UNC will force the NCAA to call themselves "Reek".

[molson]

And how can the NCAA and these schools continue to justify not paying the players on the ground that they are "student athletes" while at the same time collaborating and legitimizing these elaborate fake degree programs that are intended to ensure that the athletes do not actually have to be students?

[digamma]

#twobidivy

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

And how can the NCAA and these schools continue to justify not paying the players on the ground that they are "student athletes"

I mean they haven't actually been able to justify this for years, but that hasn't and won't stop them from trying.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Reading more about the ruling, it actually makes a perverse amount of sense.

Basically, the NCAA doesn't have a rule against a member institution providing a shitty sham education. A member just can't provide one solely for athletes or for athletic purposes.

[Ksyrup]

I'm sure they'll spin that into some sort of non-discrimination policy. Equal access and opportunity to get educational credit you don't deserve!

[Arles]

NCAA:
You fly a kid home to see a family member's funeral inseason - that player is ineligible and you have to vacate wins if he plays.

You offer sham classes to allow a kid to stay eligible without studying, you get our endorsement!

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Reading more about the ruling, it actually makes a perverse amount of sense.

Basically, the NCAA doesn't have a rule against a member institution providing a shitty sham education. A member just can't provide one solely for athletes or for athletic purposes.

I still want the full class rosters revealed.
I dont buy that it was truly open for everyone.
I suspect you will see athletes and privileged students only.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

While it's cool to see it back again, it probably won't be much of a game

Because it's an exhibition or because you think KU will wallop Mizzou? Mizzou could actually be borderline top 25 this season and even in their down years generally play KU well. They have the best record against them in the big 8/big 12 one of the better records of any team. (Still under .500 but pretty much everyone is)

[tarcone]

Mizzou is at least a sweet 16 team. Probable elite 8.

They will give Kentucky a run for their money (pun intended) this year.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by panerd

Because it's an exhibition or because you think KU will wallop Mizzou? Mizzou could actually be borderline top 25 this season and even in their down years generally play KU well. They have the best record against them in the big 8/big 12 one of the better records of any team. (Still under .500 but pretty much everyone is)

Because KU is a world better. Prior records don't mean much in the slightest

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I still want the full class rosters revealed.
I dont buy that it was truly open for everyone.
I suspect you will see athletes and privileged students only.

The sheer numbers of those involved seem to suggest that it was the course program that was the joke rather than being invented for athletes. And that's a too politically correct issue to touch most likely.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I still want the full class rosters revealed.
I dont buy that it was truly open for everyone.
I suspect you will see athletes and privileged students only.

Maybe you can release athletic student rosters, but FERPA wouldn't ever let you make public a full class roster.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by molson

Edit: And it's kind of sad they picked the African-American studies department to be the centerpiece of these fake academic programs. What a great message for the students. They present it as a real department with real professors and a real curriculum. But the athletic department and, I guess, the academic leaders at the university and in that department, collaborate to make sure it's true purpose is to ultimately assist in exploiting young people (many of whom happen to be African-American) for their athletic talent so they can make big bucks, and all they have to give up in exchange is no-show degrees, and of course, the academic integrity of the school. Imagine a sincere student studying African-American studies in that department having his degree tainted by all this.

The issue here is the "they." The narrative I understand to describe the classes involved the department secretary deciding to help kids (yes, student-athletes) out by having her department chair establish and "administer" these courses while she did the "work" of grading "papers." It was only after this was established that athletic department academic advisors caught on and recommended the classes to student-athletes. All along, enrollment in these courses was available on the same basis to athletes and non-athletes alike, and a majority of the enrollments were non-athletes (a lot of fraternity brothers, purportedly--interesting because they're required to maintain minimum average GPAs for chapters to be recognized as official campus organizations at UNC).

The whole thing sucked. UNC deservedly got put on probation by its accreditor--it could have been worse had the scheme not already been discovered and ended (via the retirement/resignation of the secretary and chair and enactment of new policies meant to limit the use of independent study classes these were classified as). Student-athletes did benefit disproportionately (35-45% of enrollments, ~5% of the student body)... but it wasn't an exclusive benefit. There's the loophole.

[Buccaneer]

During my days as a graduate RA/TA at UNC in the mid-1980s, the preferable treatments given to athletes were obvious, sought after (i.e., geography was a jock major) and bragged about by some professors because of their rooting interest. This includes basically handing MJ a degree from my department and automatic A's to athletes if they just showed up regularly (which was Dean Smith's and AD Swofford's policy). But..I have to admit that preferable treatment did extend to at least two other grad students, one was a retired millionaire and the other was a high-ranking Army officer scheduled to teach at West Point once he was done. At least they worked for their grades but prestige and alumni donations were really all that mattered, which was the deal with MJ (he got a degree that he promised his mom and the department got the $$$).

[dawgfan]

Yeah, as much as it looked ridiculous for UNC to skate on this one, it was really the only way they could rule on it given that it wasn't strictly for athletes. The proper punishment is what has already happened, which is folks devaluing the prestige of a degree from UNC.

On a different note, it's going to be interesting to see if Washington was wrapped up in the AAU/sneaker-company/etc issue. Lorenzo Romar has generally been considered a "clean" coach, and in fact insiders always claimed that he missed on some guys because he wasn't willing to delve into that cesspool. But the struggles he had his last few years with the Huskies could have provided the motivation to hold his nose and dive in, and I'm sure it looks awfully suspicious to outsiders that he landed Markelle Fultz.

[Kodos]

Sounds like Archie Miller is closing in on commitments from top 10 players Romeo Langford and Darius Garland. Here's hoping that Christmas comes early for the Hoosiers!

[CrescentMoonie]

North Carolina Tar Heels guard Joel Berry breaks hand after punching door

[mauchow]

Wisconsins young squad beat the Porter boys and Missouri tonight in a closed scrimmage.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Wisconsins young squad beat the Porter boys and Missouri tonight in a closed scrimmage.

Tjhats good for the B1G Mizzou is a swet 16 team at least

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Tjhats good for the B1G Mizzou is a swet 16 team at least

Dude, I had to pick from the Badgers/Iowa game or Badgers/Michigan game. I really hope the Hawkeyes don't end the Badgers dream of the CFB playoffs...I chose the Michigan matchup in anticipation of it being a College Game day location along w a night game.

[pbot]

Hoping Penn State wins enough that Pat Chambers doesn't get fired. Not because I think he's a great coach or anything but they are finally starting to pull some talented kids out of Philly, and hopefully he finally has things trending upward (in year six). Probably needs an NIT berth to save his job.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Dude, I had to pick from the Badgers/Iowa game or Badgers/Michigan game. I really hope the Hawkeyes don't end the Badgers dream of the CFB playoffs...I chose the Michigan matchup in anticipation of it being a College Game day location along w a night game.

Probably more offense.

This one could be a 10-6 affair

[digamma]

Has anyone here been to Rupp Arena as a visiting fan and if so, is the upper deck there as bad as I seem to be reading elsewhere online?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by digamma

Has anyone here been to Rupp Arena as a visiting fan and if so, is the upper deck there as bad as I seem to be reading elsewhere online?

Depends on your purpose. Is it as good a view, as comfortable a seat, as the more modern arenas? Definitely not. But if you there for the atmosphere and "history" then absolutely. I have also been to games at Nebraska, Wrigley, and Allen Fieldhouse and would say the same answer for all three. (I've heard Fenway is maybe the worst of all) None of them compare to the amenities/comfort that a modern stadium like Cowboy's Stadium or the new Atlanta staidum offer but I wasn't at any of them for that purpose.

[digamma]

Maybe I wasn't as specific. The threads I've read say it is worth it to spend up for lower level seats because the upper deck at Rupp isn't very friendly to visitors.

[MrBug708]

DeAndre Ayton is going to be the first pick of the draft, over Marvin Bagley

[panerd]

Originally Posted by digamma

Maybe I wasn't as specific. The threads I've read say it is worth it to spend up for lower level seats because the upper deck at Rupp isn't very friendly to visitors.

Ah I think I see. Do you mean hostile fans? What is your school? I went as a Mizzou fan (when we were actually decent a few years back) and didn't catch any more flack than I have playing against Illinois, at Kansas, or at Oklahoma. I guess if you are a Louisville fan or something it may get more shady but I don't think UK has any more or any less moron fans than any other fanbase.

[Logan]

BREAKING: UCLA frosh LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley & Jalen Hill arrested for shoplifting in China, sources told ESPN. Bruins play Ga Tech Friday https://t.co/k64IDyO81E

— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN) November 7, 2017

[MrBug708]

Lavar may literally disown Gelo over this.

[tarcone]

Holy crap! I think it would be really bad to get arrested in China.

On another note, Iowa is being under rated. ranked #52 by SI and to finish 9th in the B1G by the B1G media.

We will be much better than that. I cannot wait for this season.

[cartman]

LiAngelo is already leading UCLA in steals.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cartman

LiAngelo is already leading UCLA in steals.

Hi-yooooooooo

[MrBug708]

Police: "What were you trying to steal?"

LiAngelo Ball: *Looks away*

*One tear rolls down cheek*

*Whispers*

"Attention"

[Chief Rum]

I hope his lawyer plays better defense than he does.

[CrescentMoonie]

These 3 could be stuck in China for months.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...ource=facebook

[tarcone]

Iowa signs Joe Weiskamp out of Muscatine Iowa and CJ Frederick from Cincinnati.

Great gets for Iowa.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm never around, but this should definitely be a reason to start a thread on this board. I have little doubt this will lead to a renewal of the rivalry on an annual, regular-season basis. The two head coaches were the ones that hatched this idea.

Mizzou, KU discussing exhibition basketball game | The Kansas City Star

Good to see you back!

First time I've been excited for MIZ BBALL in a LONG time!!! Excited for tomorrow! MIZ!!!

[MrBug708]

UCLA no longer leads the nation in steals

[Chief Rum]

It is hilarious that one of the primary sponsors of UCLA's (now infamous) trip to China goes by the acronym FUSC.

[cartman]

Went to the Longhorns opening night game, and they were a lot better than I was expecting. They scored 62 in the first half, and there were 7 games last year where they never made it to 60 for the entire game. Bamba looks to be the real deal.

[stevew]

If Ball gets banned from China, I'm not sure what other professional League he can play in

[MrBug708]

Pretty sure Gelo probably doesnt have professional basketball in his future anyways

[mauchow]

Badgers get Xavier on Thursday for our first test of the year for our young squad.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Sounds like Archie Miller is closing in on commitments from top 10 players Romeo Langford and Darius Garland. Here's hoping that Christmas comes early for the Hoosiers!

Uh oh. The grinch had his way, and Garland is going to Vanderbilt.

Darius Garland commits to play with Vanderbilt Commodores

Also, looks like there will be a lot of growing pains for IU this year as Archie Miller implements his system. But hopefully we'll see the team progress as the season unfolds. Good year to pick Iowa in the Iowa-Indiana series. Tarcone will be happy!

[jbergey22]

Nice little early season matchup between Minnesota and Providence tonight. Both were tourny teams last season with numerous starters back. Looks like Providence will be playing without one of their better forwards tonight.