The Trump Presidency – 2016

[sterlingice]

I'd like us to just get rid of it altogether

SI

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'd like us to just get rid of it altogether

SI

Of course. But which one do we keep?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I always get confused.

Which one in the one that keeps it light later in the day?

That's the one I want permanently.

DST - "Spring Forward" and "Fall Back" mean that during the Summer the time is +1 hours, meaning more light in the evenings.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

DST - "Spring Forward" and "Fall Back" mean that during the Summer the time is +1 hours, meaning more light in the evenings.

Which I hate. I know there are lots of people on the other side, but it should never still be daylight at 9:30 at night.

[PilotMan]

You are clearly fucked in the head. We should stay in summer time and never... ever... fall back.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

You are clearly fucked in the head. We should stay in summer time and never... ever... fall back.

Be the nervous drunk - spring back, fall forward!

[stevew]

I hate it being dark at 5pm.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Which I hate. I know there are lots of people on the other side, but it should never still be daylight at 9:30 at night.

Strong agree

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by stevew

I hate it being dark at 5pm.

I LOVE it! Fall behind is THE BEST!

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by stevew

I hate it being dark at 5pm.

Doesn't matter if you live underground!

[henry296]

If we don't fall back, the sunrise in late December for me in Pittsburgh would be 8:40 AM. I went and looked at Detroit a further west city in the eastern time zone and Christmas morning would be 9 AM for sunrise. That also doesn't feel right and I'm not sure of the benefit of having the sunset in December at 6 PM vs. 5PM would be. The further North and East that sunset make make a difference. In Boston the earliest sunset is around 4:15 PM.

Part of the reason for falling back is to make sure it is light when children are going to school and for farming.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by henry296

If we don't fall back, the sunrise in late December for me in Pittsburgh would be 8:40 AM. I went and looked at Detroit a further west city in the eastern time zone and Christmas morning would be 9 AM for sunrise. That also doesn't feel right and I'm not sure of the benefit of having the sunset in December at 6 PM vs. 5PM would be. The further North and East that sunset make make a difference. In Boston the earliest sunset is around 4:15 PM.

Part of the reason for falling back is to make sure it is light when children are going to school and for farming.

Even with DST there were times in Oregon where we were at the busstop in the morning and it would be dark

[whomario]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

At least this little bit of good news hit, too:



SI

Don't discount for Trump Corp's ability to always find an even worse alternative for a position.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Which I hate. I know there are lots of people on the other side, but it should never still be daylight at 9:30 at night.

I'm on this side of things but that's because I live in the south so we get a lot of hours of light and I'd rather be getting up with the sun close to up or up. That said, I would take year round DST over this rotating nonsense we have now.

SI

[BYU 14]

Y'all just need to move to Arizona

[thesloppy]

If Daylight Savings Time is so horrible why hasn't Joe Biden abolished it?

[JPhillips]

Why not split it and move the time by 30 minutes?

[CarterNMA]

At least we aren't like Jhina.

They're about 5 time zones wide but the entire country is in the same time zone. The distance between Beijing and Urumqi is about the same as between NYC and Albuquerque. So when Xi wakes up with a boner to kill more Uighur, his troops have an extra 2.5 hours of darkness to get a jump on them.

[Atocep]

Barr had the DoJ look into filing charges against the Seattle Mayor over the protests and autonomous zone.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...seattle-mayor/

[tarcone]

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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Barr had the DoJ look into filing charges against the Seattle Mayor over the protests and autonomous zone.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...seattle-mayor/

That's definitely not in the "arresting your enemies" level stuff. Trump term 2 will be an absolute horror show if it comes to that.

SI

[JPhillips]

Trump has said on multiple days, the he read Woodward's book, "last night."

[Ben E Lou]

I'd be glad to stick with one just to eliminate one of the annoyances I deal with it work: when a client asks to meet "at 9:00 EST" during spring/summer/early fall. It takes everything within me not to send a meeting request for 10am EDT when that happens.

[JPhillips]

Mark Meadows explained away Dr. Redfield's vaccine comments by saying he isn't close to the process of how and when vaccines will be distributed. Why is the head of the CDC not close to the process?

[Ksyrup]

Rhetorical question, I assume.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has said on multiple days, the he read Woodward's book, "last night."

Does he like it so much that he reads it every night?

[albionmoonlight]

He does not strike me as a reader. But he does strike me as someone who would obsessively consume anything about himself night after night.

[ISiddiqui]

Maybe Melania reads it to him every night as a bedtime story?

[sterlingice]

Is this like where the Bible is his favorite book but he can't name his favorite verse?

"Yeah, yeah - I read it all the time"

SI

[Kodos]

There are so many good verses. I don't want to focus on just one. Terrific book. Read it all the time.

[ISiddiqui]

It probably won't change anything, but it should make Trump livid:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...aking-news-bar

President Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic showed a “flat out disregard for human life” because his “main concern was the economy and his reelection,” according to a senior adviser on the White House coronavirus task force who left the White House in August.

Olivia Troye, who worked as homeland security, counterterrorism and coronavirus adviser to Vice President Pence for two years, said that the administration’s response cost lives and that she will vote for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden this fall because of her experience in the Trump White House.

[JPhillips]

President Trump’s luxury properties have charged the U.S. government more than $1.1 million in private transactions since Trump took office — including for room rentals at his Bedminster, N.J., club this spring while it was closed for the coronavirus pandemic, new documents show.

The documents, including receipts and invoices from Trump’s businesses, were released by the Secret Service after The Washington Post filed a public-records lawsuit. They added $188,000 in previously unknown charges to The Post’s running total of payments to Trump’s properties related to the presence of Secret Service agents.

In Bedminster this spring, the records show, Trump’s club charged the Secret Service more than $21,800 to rent a cottage and other rooms while the club was closed and otherwise off-limits to guests. The documents don’t give a reason for these rentals. Trump didn’t visit the club while it was closed, but his eldest daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her family reportedly visited at least once.

Good thing we kept the corrupt Clintons out of the WH.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

It probably won't change anything, but it should make Trump livid:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...aking-news-bar

Holy shit, this video.

🚨🚨🚨
NEW from @RVAT2020.
Olivia Troye, VP Pence's lead staffer on the COVID task force, resigned two months ago. Now she speaks out:
"No matter how hard you worked...the president was going to do something detrimental to keeping Americans safe. It was awful. It was terrifying." pic.twitter.com/nkz2WncE9i

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) September 17, 2020

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Holy shit, this video.

These ghouls realizing they torpedoed their careers and are now frantically trying to salvage their reputations.

[albionmoonlight]

Won't change anything, I suspect.

And, yeah, she should have come forward months ago. But she's coming forward now, so good for her on that.

A lot of people on the inside will never come forward.

[Atocep]

It's shitty these people resign and wait months to say anything. They've done nothing to help the situation.

The systems are designed for department leaders or whistle blowers to come forward. What Trump has done is flood every part of the government with people so unqualified they're afraid to speak out because they're not getting another job close to as good as the one they currently have. Good employees are difficult to replace. You can avoid that difficulty altogether by hiring easy to replace stooges.

If we're able to get through the Trump administration its going to take years to flush these people out and fill the positions Trump has purposely left vacant.

[RainMaker]

If Trump was up 5 points in the polls she would not be coming forward.

[RainMaker]

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[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's shitty these people resign and wait months to say anything. They've done nothing to help the situation.

The systems are designed for department leaders or whistle blowers to come forward. What Trump has done is flood every part of the government with people so unqualified they're afraid to speak out because they're not getting another job close to as good as the one they currently have. Good employees are difficult to replace. You can avoid that difficulty altogether by hiring easy to replace stooges.

But people like Troye are generally lower level staff, who can get their careers completely screwed by doing thing like this and people in these positions (inc Troye) have consistently said they are scared shitless by coming out and having their names on this stuff. Especially considering how petty Trump is and how many lengths he's gone through to screw people who crossed him. This isn't as easy as people seem to believe it is.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's shitty these people resign and wait months to say anything. They've done nothing to help the situation.

The systems are designed for department leaders or whistle blowers to come forward. What Trump has done is flood every part of the government with people so unqualified they're afraid to speak out because they're not getting another job close to as good as the one they currently have. Good employees are difficult to replace. You can avoid that difficulty altogether by hiring easy to replace stooges.

If we're able to get through the Trump administration its going to take years to flush these people out and fill the positions Trump has purposely left vacant.

That seems a vastly 'underdiscussed' issue. The big, splashy hirings/firings at the top are bad, but not nearly as bad as the purge a step or two below those.
His ideal department consists of loyal/afraid/Desperate figure heads and an army of drones just happy to be there and/or really dependent on somehow keeping their jobs no matter what it takes.

I mean, within a couple days both Caputo and Barr launched big sweeping attacks on people employed by government institutions for doing their damed job rather.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Atocep

IWhat Trump has done is flood every part of the government with people so unqualified they're afraid to speak out because they're not getting another job close to as good as the one they currently have. Good employees are difficult to replace. You can avoid that difficulty altogether by hiring easy to replace stooges.

If we're able to get through the Trump administration its going to take years to flush these people out and fill the positions Trump has purposely left vacant.

That seems a vastly 'underdiscussed' issue. The big, splashy hirings/firings at the top are bad, but not nearly as bad as the purge a step or two below those.
His ideal department consists of loyal/afraid/Desperate figure heads and an army of drones just happy to be there and/or really dependent on somehow keeping their jobs no matter what it takes.

I mean, within a couple days both Caputo and Barr launched big sweeping attacks on people employed by government institutions for doing their damed job rather.

This is well worth the good while it takes to read: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rnment/606793/

And it doesn't even touch yet on what has been happening to Public Health Agencies in recent months and only in passing stuff like the EPA.

[RainMaker]

Law and order crowd has been quiet about this.

Oregon residents are illegally stopping drivers at gunpoint during wildfire evacuations, sheriff says - KTVZ

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Law and order crowd has been quiet about this.

Oregon residents are illegally stopping drivers at gunpoint during wildfire evacuations, sheriff says - KTVZ

Because the "Law and Order crowd" really just supporst a White Nationalist police state.

They say "Law and Order" as code.

[Edward64]

I like how Trump is leveraging Taiwan in his fight against China and believe it is the right thing to do now. I assume this is driven by Pompeo who also had a nice win with UAE-Bahrain-Israel normalization process and, November politics notwithstanding, I hope SA will do the same soon.

It would have been good if Pompeo could have created a coalition in Asia to effectively confront/deter China's more aggressive plays in the region (e.g. Spratleys) but probably won't have time before (more than likely) being kicked out.

I hope Biden doesn't leave Taiwan hanging and he put someone competent (Rice maybe?) in charge to spearhead a China strategy.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/polit...ale/index.html

The Trump administration is expected to soon approve another major weapons sale including drones to Taiwan, according to congressional and administration sources. The move comes as the US and Taiwan are strengthening ties and amid mounting tensions between Washington and Beijing.

The US is preparing to sell seven packages of weapons systems to Taiwan, a congressional aide told CNN, saying it was unclear when the Congress would be formally notified about the sales, as is required by law.

A US official said that the administration will soon formally approve a large sale of MQ-9B Reaper drones. The value of the drones and associated equipment and program support is estimated to be about $600 million.

[JPhillips]

A heavily criticized recommendation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month about who should be tested for the coronavirus was not written by C.D.C. scientists and was posted to the agency’s website despite their serious objections, according to several people familiar with the matter as well as internal documents obtained by The New York Times.

The guidance said it was not necessary to test people without symptoms of Covid-19 even if they had been exposed to the virus. It came at a time when public health experts were pushing for more testing rather than less, and administration officials told The Times that the document was a C.D.C. product and had been revised with input from the agency’s director, Dr. Robert Redfield.

But officials told The Times this week that the health department did the rewriting itself and then “dropped” it into the C.D.C.’s public website, flouting the agency’s strict scientific review process.

“That was a doc that came from the top down, from the H.H.S. and the task force,” said a federal official with knowledge of the matter, referring to the White House task force on the coronavirus. “That policy does not reflect what many people at the C.D.C. feel should be the policy.”

It's shit like this that is the cause for a growing, bipartisan suspicion towards a COVID vaccine.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

If Trump was up 5 points in the polls she would not be coming forward.

Exactly.

I take stuff like this as a sign that people on the inside know he is toast and would rather get out in front of if then go down with the ship.

A fucked up version of the prisoners dilemma.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

But people like Troye are generally lower level staff, who can get their careers completely screwed by doing thing like this and people in these positions (inc Troye) have consistently said they are scared shitless by coming out and having their names on this stuff. Especially considering how petty Trump is and how many lengths he's gone through to screw people who crossed him. This isn't as easy as people seem to believe it is.

I tend to agree and my comment wasn't meant to be an indictment of her choice to speak up now. I don't think it's going to do much and I don't blame her for a certain group ignoring what she's saying. It's more frustration with how deep the rot of our government has reached in less than 4 years.

Barr is a great example of just how bad things are. As we get closer to the election he's not even hiding his dreams of a right wing Christian, authoritarian government. His career is over if Trump loses and he's focused on purging the DoJ of Dems to the point that who the hell is left to speak up? How many departments in our government are in a similar situation?

[Ksyrup]

Piggybacking off my earlier post about doing things just to piss people off, I'd include playing Fortunate Son at campaign rallies as one of those things that probably draws a ton of LOLs amongst the Trump insiders.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's shit like this that is the cause for a growing, bipartisan suspicion towards a COVID vaccine.

We’re not terribly far from Trump telling people not to take the vaccine that he himself has been touting...

[GrantDawg]

Meanwhile, Biden says he is the first in his family to go to college. The Trumpsters on Twitter is jumping up and down on "his great great grandfather had a bachelor's degree" like they have caught him on something.

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