Interesting betting proposition (re: Atlanta Falcons)

cthomer5000 · 11-12-2003, 05:55 PM

from an online sportsbook:

Who will be the Head Coach of the Atlanta Falcons for the first game of the 2004 Regular Season?

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Dan Reeves	 3/1
Bob Stoops	 6/1
Deion Sanders	60/1
Wade Phillips	50/1
Dennis Green	 8/1
Ted Cottrell	20/1
Greg Blache	18/1
Kirk Ferentz	 8/1
Chan Gailey	50/1
June Jones	50/1
Tom Coughlin	12/1
Nick Saban	10/1
Jimmy Johnson	 8/1
Al Saunders	20/1
Frank Beamer	35/1
Pete Carroll	25/1
Monte Kiffin	12/1
Steve Spurrier	20/1
Field		 9/5

I found this pretty amusing, and then starting wondering who people might be willing to bet on. Anyone have any guesses?

IMetTrentGreen · 11-12-2003, 06:01 PM

ferentz

lynchjm24 · 11-12-2003, 06:02 PM

Nick Saban

albionmoonlight · 11-12-2003, 06:03 PM

I think that I would take D. Green at 8-1.

CubsFan915 · 11-12-2003, 09:57 PM

Saban is (supposedly) rumnored to be heading to Chicago when Dick Jauron FINALLY gtes shown the door.

Worst thing that has happened to the Bears since 1986 is that 13-3 season, when he fooled people into thinking he could actually coach.

mckerney · 11-12-2003, 10:06 PM

I'd put my money on Green, the guy whose former agent is the GM.

TroyF · 11-12-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by CubsFan915
Saban is (supposedly) rumnored to be heading to Chicago when Dick Jauron FINALLY gtes shown the door.

Worst thing that has happened to the Bears since 1986 is that 13-3 season, when he fooled people into thinking he could actually coach.

Actually a combination of things. It fooled people into thinking he could coach, yes. The GM who wanted him gone had to find a way to do it. That's when some of the worst personell moves in the history of football started taking place. Oh, Dick, you don't need defensive tackles, we'll send all of ours packing. Need a QB? How about Kordell Stewart? Your star OLB? He's now with the Patriots. . .

Angelo intentionally screwed this guy. Not saying he wouldn't have hung himself, but he made damned sure the Bears wouldn't win this year no matter what happened.

If I were the owner, he'd be on the way out the door with the head coach.

TroyF

TroyF · 11-12-2003, 10:23 PM

Dola here:

After the Bucs defensive performence over the past couple of months, Kiffin has about as much chance of landing a head coaching job as I do.

TroyF

Dutch · 11-12-2003, 10:43 PM

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After the Bucs defensive performence over the past couple of months, Kiffin has about as much chance of landing a head coaching job as I do.

2nd in points allowed.
6th in total yards allowed.
10th in rushing yards allowed.
7th in passing yards allowed.
3rd in interceptions.
1st in interceptions returned for TD's (with 3)
10th in forced fumbles
1st in defensive TD's (with 4)
5th in passes defensed.
10th in sacks.

What a horrible defense he's offered to the NFL....another crappy year for the ole man, huh?

JeeberD · 11-13-2003, 12:46 AM

Stoops? No friggin way...

Travis · 11-13-2003, 12:53 AM

Just to throw the name out there, what about Dave McGinnis? Change of scenery might do him a world of good.

General Mike · 11-13-2003, 01:06 AM

Ferentz or the Field (Fassel). I wouldn't be shocked if Reeves kept his job.

mckerney · 11-13-2003, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by JeeberD
Stoops? No friggin way...

No need to get jealous now...

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by Dutch
2nd in points allowed.
6th in total yards allowed.
10th in rushing yards allowed.
7th in passing yards allowed.
3rd in interceptions.
1st in interceptions returned for TD's (with 3)
10th in forced fumbles
1st in defensive TD's (with 4)
5th in passes defensed.
10th in sacks.

What a horrible defense he's offered to the NFL....another crappy year for the ole man, huh?

They've fallen apart three different times in the fourth quarter this year. In their biggest game of the year to date, a game they had to have, Jake Delhomme led Carolina on a march down the field that made the Bucs defense look almost non-existent.

They have only faced two teams ranked in the top 10 in offense this season. The 49ers and Colts shredded them for over 450 yards.

Those type of performences hurt Kiffin badly. He needs the TB D to be playing at last years level in order to get a head coaching job. They aren't anywhere near that level, especially when the game is on the line.

Simply put, with his age and the TB defense starting to show signs of weakness, his window has likely closed on a head job in the NFL.

TroyF

Glengoyne · 11-13-2003, 02:28 AM

I have to second what Troy said here. I mean didn't the niners RUN all over them all day long?

Airhog · 11-13-2003, 02:57 AM

I seriously think stoops would leave at this point in his career. He could establish a long dynasty here at ou. He loves this town, and I think he will be here for a long time, before he decides to move on to the pro level, if that ever happens.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by Airhog
I seriously think stoops would leave at this point in his career. He could establish a long dynasty here at ou. He loves this town, and I think he will be here for a long time, before he decides to move on to the pro level, if that ever happens.

I disagree. I think Stoops wants the challenge of the next level. It may not be this year or next, but I don't see him as a guy that simply sits on success. I think he has higher ambition than winning the Big12 and pounding Texas year after year.

I'd give him 3 more years at OU, tops. I could be wrong here, it's just what my gut tells me after reading a lot of interviews with him.

TroyF

TLK · 11-13-2003, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by cthomer5000

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Field		 9/5

I found this pretty amusing, and then starting wondering who people might be willing to bet on. Anyone have any guesses? [/b]

Ty Willingham

JonInMiddleGA · 11-13-2003, 04:23 AM

Chan Gailey (hey, a Tech fan has gotta have some hope)

Honolulu Blue · 11-13-2003, 06:33 AM

I think the best bet is Dan Reeves. He is in possession of the job, hasn't been officially dismissed yet, and may have excuses for this poor year. Getting 3-1 sounds generous.

WebEwbank · 11-13-2003, 06:42 AM

If Dan Reeves keeps the job, we have definitive proof that the NFL is a DOWB-cracy (Dumb Ole White Boys). The man can't evauate players, run a game or get along with such losers as Elway and Vick. He's a joke who has milked his association with Tom Landry for all it's worth..

Buzzbee · 11-13-2003, 06:53 AM

In my opinion, Reeves is already gone. Even if the Falcons win the rest of their games, Reeves will not be given credit for winning the last four. THAT credit will be given to Vick.

The Falcons are 2-7 and I honestly don't think they'll win the rest of their games anyway. If they go 4-3, that'll be a 6-10 record. No WAY Reeves keeps his job with that.

Being here in the ATL, the names I've heard mentioned the most are Dennis Green and Jimmy Johnson. I'm guessing that Arthur Blank might go after Jimmy Johnson since it has been said that Blank wouldn't mind a glitzy, glamour, big name kind of coach. He also has the kind of money that might lure Johnson out of the booth. However, I'm not sure it will be enough to lure Johnson. If no Johnson, then my guess is Dennis Green next. After that, I have no clue.

Another name that has been thrown out, and I think it a longshot, is George O'Leary. If Blank goes through his short list with no success, I could see O' Leary at least being considered.

Bee · 11-13-2003, 07:15 AM

Prime Time baby!

Samdari · 11-13-2003, 07:26 AM

If you are betting, don't you have to take the field?

EDIT: Oh, and if Kiffin is not going to get it because their defense is down a bit (mostly because Sapp is so fat and out of shape) why is Cottrell even on the list?

Wolfpack · 11-13-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
Chan Gailey (hey, a Tech fan has gotta have some hope)

I sense a smidge of bitterness from the Duke loss....

Seriously, Gailey did pretty dang well considering the hole that was dug prior to the start of the year. He (or rather, John Tenuta...again) beat us and Tech is one of only two team in conference to have a winning record against State while Philip Rivers was QB (Maryland is the other).

But, I am puzzled by what was apparently a collapse against Duke. Duke is a team that was always close-but-no-cigar in terms of winning a game in-conference. To throttle Tech like they did seemed to indicate that the players got down on themselves (we're-losing-to-freaking-Duke syndrome) and gave up once Duke started pulling away and didn't fight back.

Then again, this has been a puzzling year all around in the ACC.

JeeberD · 11-13-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by TroyF
I'd give him 3 more years at OU, tops.

Oooh, I hope you're right. That would be right around the time that Parcells is retiring again...

Celeval · 11-13-2003, 10:11 AM

Well, add in Duke's turnaround - they almost beat Tennessee the week before ferchrissake.

Actually, I think the biggest problem with Tech last week (and partially with Gailey) was the two-and-a-half weeks since their last game - they weren't ready to go from the start. The layoff had to have a lot to do with that, and Duke was ready to play.

I can't wait to see Duke beat the crap out of Clemson this weekend.

Noop · 11-13-2003, 10:14 AM

Dave Wannstedt

JonInMiddleGA · 11-13-2003, 10:26 AM

wolfpack & celeval -- I believe the cliche about "not being ready to play" truly does factor into the Duke loss. Problem is, that's Gailey's job, job #1 IMO. As "2 Live Stews" put it earlier this week, these are kids, not adults/NFL professionals, they aren't generally going to be self-motivating against teams they believe they can throw their jerseys out on the field & beat. There have been rumblings in the past about Gailey using an NFL approach to the psychological element of the college game, that certainly appears to be possible for the Duke game, and I think it bit him in the butt.

Which, in my mind, makes him accountable for the most embarassing loss in school history.

Buzzbee · 11-13-2003, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
wolfpack & celeval -- I believe the cliche about "not being ready to play" truly does factor into the Duke loss. Problem is, that's Gailey's job, job #1 IMO. As "2 Live Stews" put it earlier this week, these are kids, not adults/NFL professionals, they aren't generally going to be self-motivating against teams they believe they can throw their jerseys out on the field & beat. There have been rumblings in the past about Gailey using an NFL approach to the psychological element of the college game, that certainly appears to be possible for the Duke game, and I think it bit him in the butt.

Which, in my mind, makes him accountable for the most embarassing loss in school history.

Ditto.

In my opinion, as a result of losing to Duke...no, getting TROUNCED by Duke, if Tech doesn't beat Georgia then Gailey should be fired. Hell, bring back McWhorter. Of course if Tech beats Georgia, all is forgiven.

B & B · 11-13-2003, 10:40 AM

1. Reeves is gone.

2. Saban at 10-1 is your best bet for the buck.

Glengoyne · 11-13-2003, 11:59 AM

I think Reeves has to go, and I would put my money on Denny Green. He was pretty successful, and has gone unhired for too long.

Noop · 11-13-2003, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Glengoyne
I think Reeves has to go, and I would put my money on Denny Green. He was pretty successful, and has gone unhired for too long.

Put down the pipe and step to the curb

VPI97 · 11-13-2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Glengoyne
I think Reeves has to go, and I would put my money on Denny Green. He was pretty successful, and has gone unhired for too long.

I would like for Green to be the Falcons coach...but I tend to think that the whole "steal the team away from the owner" plan he had would keep Blank from hiring him.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
If you are betting, don't you have to take the field?

EDIT: Oh, and if Kiffin is not going to get it because their defense is down a bit (mostly because Sapp is so fat and out of shape) why is Cottrell even on the list?

Is this where I become the Rush Limbaugh of this board and get sent packing?

Two obvious reasons:

1) The Bucs defense is perceived as underachieving. The Jets defense is considered to be overachieving, despite being ranked as low as they are.

2) Ted Cottrell is 7 years younger than Kiffen and is black. His skin color will keep him in the news much longer than Kiffen.

Kiffen is a guy who had to have everything go his way to get a shot. They haven't went his way. Assuming Reeves is fired, why would Blank hire an "old" coach to try to reenergize the team? (unless the old coach has already won Super Bowls) It just isn't going to happen.

I don't think he hires Cottrell either. I do think Cottrell's odds of getting a head coaching job are a lot higher than Kiffen's.

TroyF

Samdari · 11-13-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
The Jets defense is considered to be overachieving, despite being ranked as low as they are.

I don't see this at all. I think the Jets D was expected to be below average (they have 4 #1 picks on the DL, and an all-pro LB) and have instead been dismal. They did have low expectations, but have been unable to meet even those.

cthomer5000 · 11-13-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
The Jets defense is considered to be overachieving, despite being ranked as low as they are.

You have to be joking. I live in NJ and work in NYC, and the defense is absolutely atrocious. Please witness the Raiders running 19 consecutive times for 80 yards and a touchdown. Absolutely no one in this area would say the Jets defense has overachieved. In fact, it is pretty much the lone reason the Jets are 3-6. That and the fact that the O-line did not run block for the first 5 weeks of the season.

I think Teddy's window of head coaching opportunity has closed.

edit: and it's not as if expectations were low. This is the secondary the coaches wanted, Teddy got his LB in Sam Cowart last year - and the defensive line has FOUR first round draft picks and above average depth. The defense has failed miserably to meet the expectations that were set.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 03:10 PM

Look guys, as bad as the Jets D has been, they have the "bend but don't break" thing going for them. In points allowed, they are better than the Tennessee Titans. They are better than the Chiefs in yards allowed per game.

They may have a lot of first round picks on the D-Line, but their best pass rusher has been injured off and on for most of the year, their LB's are slow and their secondary is horrible. I thought the Jets defense would be worse than what it is. (and it isn't very good, we can all agree with that)

Lets just see how it plays out. My guess is we'll be reading a lot more about Cottrell and his head coaching prospects than we will about Kiffen. I've read three articles in the past week discussing the Bucs "defensive woes" One of those says that the longer Dungy is away the worse the defense will get. Do I buy all of that? No, I don't.

Do I think others will buy into it? Yes, I do.

TroyF

cthomer5000 · 11-13-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
Look guys, as bad as the Jets D has been, they have the "bend but don't break" thing going for them. In points allowed, they are better than the Tennessee Titans. They are better than the Chiefs in yards allowed per game.

They may have a lot of first round picks on the D-Line, but their best pass rusher has been injured off and on for most of the year, their LB's are slow and their secondary is horrible. I thought the Jets defense would be worse than what it is. (and it isn't very good, we can all agree with that)

Lets just see how it plays out. My guess is we'll be reading a lot more about Cottrell and his head coaching prospects than we will about Kiffen. I've read three articles in the past week discussing the Bucs "defensive woes" One of those says that the longer Dungy is away the worse the defense will get. Do I buy all of that? No, I don't.

Do I think others will buy into it? Yes, I do.

TroyF

How many Jets games have you watched this year?

I've watched all 9 from start to finish. Maybe you've got coaches films, because you're seeing something I don't. I would describe their defensive style as "out of order."

cthomer5000 · 11-13-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
[b]Look guys, as bad as the Jets D has been, they have the "bend but don't break" thing going for them. In points allowed, they are better than the Tennessee Titans. They are better than the Chiefs in yards allowed per game.

Both of these are a direct effect of allowing teams to consistently run the ball. It leads to huge time of posession, and an overall game that is low in offense. I would bet the average Jet game has 100 yards less offense than all other NFL games.

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They may have a lot of first round picks on the D-Line, but their best pass rusher has been injured off and on for most of the year.

I realize you're talking about John Abraham, but are you oblivious to what Shaun Ellis has been doing this season?

Samdari · 11-13-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
I thought the Jets defense would be worse than what it is. (and it isn't very good, we can all agree with that)

But, you are not part of the professional football media. Most of them thought that it would be better than this. They definitely fit the definition of underachieving. Maybe not as under as the Bucs, but definitely below expectations.

A lot of the stats you quote are misleading as well. Most of the numbers that show the Jets as not being so bad in defense are as a result of facing the fewest plays (neither they, nor the team they have been behind are ever in a hurry). When it comes to actually stopping people and getting off the field they are terrible. Also, because they are so bad at stopping the run, and are behind a lot, they don't give up a lot of passing yards, which means they don't give up a lot of total yards. Despite some of the misguided measuring sticks not seeming so horrible, these guys can't stop anyone.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 04:11 PM

Samdari,

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. I agree with you, it sucks. Look, here is something from USA Today I found today:

It isn't so much particular players that are causing the Jets problems in the run defense — allowing a ridiculous 155 yards per game — or even the coaching. It's that the style of play the Jets' defense used — and the kind coach Herman Edwards brought with him from Tampa — is base on speed, something the Jets don't have. They scrapped this against the Raiders in the second half and will continue to do so.

or this from ESPN's John Clayton:

The Jets continue to look better. Their defense is playing better even though injuries have depleted the secondary.

or this from Sportsline

The Jets are doing their best to improve a horrible run defense and may do some of the same things that made them more successful against the Raiders in the second half last Sunday. Facing straightaway runners, the Jets moved one tackle and DE Shaun Ellis inside over both opposing guards. They may do more of the same this week against the Colts' Edgerrin James. James, however, is just as capable of going outside, which makes the Jets susceptible because of their slow linebackers.

What does everyone see with all three of those articles? Excuses. They have slow linebackers. They have a banged up secondary. They don't have a lot of team speed on defense. But they are sure scrappy. . .

Forget for a second that this is the defense the coaching staff supposedly wanted. It is irrelevant. I know they suck. You guys both know they suck. I think most of us predicted they'd suck at the start of the year. (I was VERY critical of their draft strategy on this board)

The mainstream media isn't being hard on them though. Maybe some sports writers in New York. Maybe the fans. Most everyone else is making excuses for them.

Keep telling me they suck and keep showing me how the numbers lie. . . you are preaching to the choir. All I've said is that the perception around the country is going to look more favorable to Cottrell than Kiffen. I haven't seen anything in anything I've read to contradict that at this point.

TroyF

Samdari · 11-13-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
I think most of us predicted they'd suck at the start of the year.

And here is a clear example of what you are not understanding. Most people did not expect them to suck. YOU expected them to suck, and are projecting that expectation onto "most of us." Going into the season, most of the things I read about the Jets expected the defense to be the strength of the team, given all the defections on offense, the addition of Robertson, and the "expected return to Cowart to all-pro form." This defense was supposed to be pretty good. When you are supposed to be pretty good, and end up dreadful, it is rarely referred to as overachieving.

All the articles are about how they improved in the past few weeks (they have - although the Raiders showed they could still be run on) from being nearly the worst in the league. But, even with the recent improvement, where they have gotten is still far short of what expectations were.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by cthomer5000
How many Jets games have you watched this year?

I've watched all 9 from start to finish. Maybe you've got coaches films, because you're seeing something I don't. I would describe their defensive style as "out of order."

DOLA

Forgot to answer this. I've seen about 5 Jets games this year. I taped the first couple, then stopped until Pennington got back. I doubt they'll be in my rotation a lot the rest of the season.

As I said in the post above, you guys are missing the point. I think the Jets suck too. You should have little problem going through the first few "Troy and Chief" shows and see me bashing this team. You can also find other posts where I said that I thought the Jets might end up being the worst team in the AFC this year. (these were made prior to the season)

You are debating the wrong thing. We all know they suck. How will the national pundits take that? Will they blame it on the coach or the personell? if they blame it on the personell, how much heat will Cottrell personally take for those decisions?

My bet is "not much"

We'll see if I'm proven wrong.

TroyF

Samdari · 11-13-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
All I've said is that the perception around the country is going to look more favorable to Cottrell than Kiffen.

Once again, you are projecting your perception onto others.

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
And here is a clear example of what you are not understanding. Most people did not expect them to suck. YOU expected them to suck, and are projecting that expectation onto "most of us." Going into the season, most of the things I read about the Jets expected the defense to be the strength of the team, given all the defections on offense, the addition of Robertson, and the "expected return to Cowart to all-pro form." This defense was supposed to be pretty good. When you are supposed to be pretty good, and end up dreadful, it is rarely referred to as overachieving.

All the articles are about how they improved in the past few weeks (they have - although the Raiders showed they could still be run on) from being nearly the worst in the league. But, even with the recent improvement, where they have gotten is still far short of what expectations were.

Well, doing a quick search online, MSNBC predicted a fourth place AFC East finish with the Jets and said the defense was a huge question mark. John Clayton had the secondary and LB positions being rated as very poor in his preiview. Sportsline echoed that.

Len Pasquarelli's "Notes from camp" segment spent a couple of paragraphs on the defensive line and then about 5 talking about how old and slow the LB and secondary was.

From what I can see, most people thought that without the LB's and secondary playing better they'd be a team that would get a lot of sacks and struggle in most other departments. They are 2nd in the NFL in sacks. . . they suck everywhere else.

Maybe you can link something where someone thought they'd have a great defense?

TroyF

TroyF · 11-13-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
Once again, you are projecting your perception onto others.

No, I've listed stories to back the assertion up. What do you call the three blurbs I put up there? Do you think I wrote them myself?

Outside of a NY sportswriter, could you please find me something from a national writer who says that Cottrell sucks?

TroyF

Vegas Vic · 11-13-2003, 05:08 PM

Stoops is not likely to leave in the next few years, if ever. He enjoys the legacy that he's building at OU. If he wins two more NC's, he will surpass Bud Wilkenson and Barry Switzer (with three each).

He enjoys spending time with his family, and he often leaves the office at 5 p.m. He has said on more than one occasion that 70 hour work-weeks are not for him. His wife has a successful business in Norman. Stoops enjoys the small-town life. For the most part, they are left alone when they go out to dinner or elsewhere in public. People respect their privacy.

Never say never. He could coach in the NFL someday, but I think it will be in the distant future, and I still think it's unlikely to happen.

11-12-2003, 09:57 PM	#5
CubsFan915 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Richmond VA	Saban is (supposedly) rumnored to be heading to Chicago when Dick Jauron FINALLY gtes shown the door. Worst thing that has happened to the Bears since 1986 is that 13-3 season, when he fooled people into thinking he could actually coach. __________________ GO HOKIES!!! Running the Richmond Confederates of the FOBL into the ground since 2001.

11-13-2003, 12:46 AM	#10
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Stoops? No friggin way... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-13-2003, 12:53 AM	#11
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Just to throw the name out there, what about Dave McGinnis? Change of scenery might do him a world of good. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

11-13-2003, 02:57 AM	#16
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I seriously think stoops would leave at this point in his career. He could establish a long dynasty here at ou. He loves this town, and I think he will be here for a long time, before he decides to move on to the pro level, if that ever happens. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-13-2003, 04:23 AM	#19
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Chan Gailey (hey, a Tech fan has gotta have some hope) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-12-2003, 06:01 PM	#2
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	ferentz

11-12-2003, 06:02 PM	#3
lynchjm24 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hartford	Nick Saban

11-12-2003, 06:03 PM	#4
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I think that I would take D. Green at 8-1.

11-12-2003, 10:06 PM	#6
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'd put my money on Green, the guy whose former agent is the GM.

11-12-2003, 10:23 PM	#8
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Dola here: After the Bucs defensive performence over the past couple of months, Kiffin has about as much chance of landing a head coaching job as I do. TroyF

11-13-2003, 01:06 AM	#12
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Ferentz or the Field (Fassel). I wouldn't be shocked if Reeves kept his job.

11-13-2003, 02:28 AM	#15
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I have to second what Troy said here. I mean didn't the niners RUN all over them all day long?

11-13-2003, 06:33 AM	#20
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I think the best bet is Dan Reeves. He is in possession of the job, hasn't been officially dismissed yet, and may have excuses for this poor year. Getting 3-1 sounds generous.

11-13-2003, 06:42 AM	#21
WebEwbank High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Natick, MA	If Dan Reeves keeps the job, we have definitive proof that the NFL is a DOWB-cracy (Dumb Ole White Boys). The man can't evauate players, run a game or get along with such losers as Elway and Vick. He's a joke who has milked his association with Tom Landry for all it's worth..

11-13-2003, 06:53 AM	#22
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	In my opinion, Reeves is already gone. Even if the Falcons win the rest of their games, Reeves will not be given credit for winning the last four. THAT credit will be given to Vick. The Falcons are 2-7 and I honestly don't think they'll win the rest of their games anyway. If they go 4-3, that'll be a 6-10 record. No WAY Reeves keeps his job with that. Being here in the ATL, the names I've heard mentioned the most are Dennis Green and Jimmy Johnson. I'm guessing that Arthur Blank might go after Jimmy Johnson since it has been said that Blank wouldn't mind a glitzy, glamour, big name kind of coach. He also has the kind of money that might lure Johnson out of the booth. However, I'm not sure it will be enough to lure Johnson. If no Johnson, then my guess is Dennis Green next. After that, I have no clue. Another name that has been thrown out, and I think it a longshot, is George O'Leary. If Blank goes through his short list with no success, I could see O' Leary at least being considered. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

11-13-2003, 07:15 AM	#23
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Prime Time baby!

11-13-2003, 07:26 AM	#24
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	If you are betting, don't you have to take the field? EDIT: Oh, and if Kiffin is not going to get it because their defense is down a bit (mostly because Sapp is so fat and out of shape) why is Cottrell even on the list? __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price! Last edited by Samdari : 11-13-2003 at 07:28 AM.

11-13-2003, 10:11 AM	#27
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Well, add in Duke's turnaround - they almost beat Tennessee the week before ferchrissake. Actually, I think the biggest problem with Tech last week (and partially with Gailey) was the two-and-a-half weeks since their last game - they weren't ready to go from the start. The layoff had to have a lot to do with that, and Duke was ready to play. I can't wait to see Duke beat the crap out of Clemson this weekend.

11-13-2003, 10:14 AM	#28
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Dave Wannstedt __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

11-13-2003, 10:26 AM	#29
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	wolfpack & celeval -- I believe the cliche about "not being ready to play" truly does factor into the Duke loss. Problem is, that's Gailey's job, job #1 IMO. As "2 Live Stews" put it earlier this week, these are kids, not adults/NFL professionals, they aren't generally going to be self-motivating against teams they believe they can throw their jerseys out on the field & beat. There have been rumblings in the past about Gailey using an NFL approach to the psychological element of the college game, that certainly appears to be possible for the Duke game, and I think it bit him in the butt. Which, in my mind, makes him accountable for the most embarassing loss in school history. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-13-2003, 10:40 AM	#31
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	1. Reeves is gone. 2. Saban at 10-1 is your best bet for the buck. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

11-13-2003, 11:59 AM	#32
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I think Reeves has to go, and I would put my money on Denny Green. He was pretty successful, and has gone unhired for too long.

11-13-2003, 03:10 PM	#38
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Look guys, as bad as the Jets D has been, they have the "bend but don't break" thing going for them. In points allowed, they are better than the Tennessee Titans. They are better than the Chiefs in yards allowed per game. They may have a lot of first round picks on the D-Line, but their best pass rusher has been injured off and on for most of the year, their LB's are slow and their secondary is horrible. I thought the Jets defense would be worse than what it is. (and it isn't very good, we can all agree with that) Lets just see how it plays out. My guess is we'll be reading a lot more about Cottrell and his head coaching prospects than we will about Kiffen. I've read three articles in the past week discussing the Bucs "defensive woes" One of those says that the longer Dungy is away the worse the defense will get. Do I buy all of that? No, I don't. Do I think others will buy into it? Yes, I do. TroyF

11-13-2003, 04:11 PM	#42
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Samdari, I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. I agree with you, it sucks. Look, here is something from USA Today I found today: It isn't so much particular players that are causing the Jets problems in the run defense — allowing a ridiculous 155 yards per game — or even the coaching. It's that the style of play the Jets' defense used — and the kind coach Herman Edwards brought with him from Tampa — is base on speed, something the Jets don't have. They scrapped this against the Raiders in the second half and will continue to do so. or this from ESPN's John Clayton: The Jets continue to look better. Their defense is playing better even though injuries have depleted the secondary. or this from Sportsline The Jets are doing their best to improve a horrible run defense and may do some of the same things that made them more successful against the Raiders in the second half last Sunday. Facing straightaway runners, the Jets moved one tackle and DE Shaun Ellis inside over both opposing guards. They may do more of the same this week against the Colts' Edgerrin James. James, however, is just as capable of going outside, which makes the Jets susceptible because of their slow linebackers. What does everyone see with all three of those articles? Excuses. They have slow linebackers. They have a banged up secondary. They don't have a lot of team speed on defense. But they are sure scrappy. . . Forget for a second that this is the defense the coaching staff supposedly wanted. It is irrelevant. I know they suck. You guys both know they suck. I think most of us predicted they'd suck at the start of the year. (I was VERY critical of their draft strategy on this board) The mainstream media isn't being hard on them though. Maybe some sports writers in New York. Maybe the fans. Most everyone else is making excuses for them. Keep telling me they suck and keep showing me how the numbers lie. . . you are preaching to the choir. All I've said is that the perception around the country is going to look more favorable to Cottrell than Kiffen. I haven't seen anything in anything I've read to contradict that at this point. TroyF

11-13-2003, 05:08 PM	#48
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	Stoops is not likely to leave in the next few years, if ever. He enjoys the legacy that he's building at OU. If he wins two more NC's, he will surpass Bud Wilkenson and Barry Switzer (with three each). He enjoys spending time with his family, and he often leaves the office at 5 p.m. He has said on more than one occasion that 70 hour work-weeks are not for him. His wife has a successful business in Norman. Stoops enjoys the small-town life. For the most part, they are left alone when they go out to dinner or elsewhere in public. People respect their privacy. Never say never. He could coach in the NFL someday, but I think it will be in the distant future, and I still think it's unlikely to happen.

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